Would you rather sign Gortat or Fesenko?

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There are rumor's about the kings having interest in both.

Gortat
http://njmg.typepad.com/knickknacks/2009/06/a-draftworkout-finals-scuttlebutt-potpourri.html

Fesenko
http://blogs.sltrib.com/jazz/2009/06/fesenko-question.htm

Personally, I am much higher on Gortat. But Fesenko is 3 years younger, more of a prospect, and a lot cheaper. We could probably get Fesenko for around $1mil, while Gortat would probably need the entire mid-level exception. While Gortat would really contribute right away, I would have no problem picking up Fesenko, letting him develope, and using our mid-level elsewhere.
 
id have to go with fesenko...

hes younger and will probably come to a much cheaper price tag than gortat....and i think hes more athletic than gortat
 
Gortat is a much much better player. He is already producing for Eastern Conference winners. He is big, strong, defensive minded and can block shots.

He is already on a winner and they would want to keep him. Not sure why he would want to come to the Kings since I am sure there would be plenty of better teams looking to sign him up.

Fesenko would probably be more obtainable but he is no where near the player that Gortat is.
 
Gortat is EXACTLY the type of player that we need. He has virtually no offensive game, but we have Spencer who is becoming a good scorer at the center position. We don't need more projects. Gortat is also only 25 so he really isn't very old and fits in extremely well in the rebuild process. I would rather have him than Thabeet or The Birdman as he is a very good defender in the post and a very good rebounder as well as a decent shotblocker.
 
I'm going with Fesenko. I mean when he got playing time, he did well. Sure, he made some mistakes, but he played only a handful of games.

I remember when the entire Jazz frontline was injured and Sloan FINALLY inserted this rookie and he worked the Lakers big men.

He's a big man and has really good footwork. He can give you garbage points and play good hard nosed defense. Received a shiner against the Lakers and was joking about it after the game.
 
Since we'd probably be in a bidding war with Gortat this summer, Fesenko seems like a better/cheaper investment, ESPECIALLY when you're talking about 'specialist' off the bench.
 
Orlando is going to have a hard time keeping both Hedo and Gortat this summer. I bet another team will grab at least one of those two.
 
Arkitect said:
Orlando is going to have a hard time keeping both Hedo and Gortat this summer. I bet another team will grab at least one of those two.
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Well, after making a run to the finals I think they have to make a serious effort to keep Hedo, even though it will undoubtedly put them over the luxury tax. So they may not want to spend a lot on Gortat. Another team may be able to pry him away with a decent contract offer.
 
Idk, I really like Gortat. And I think the experience he's gaining in the Finals is huge for him. He would bring that kind of experience to our team.
 
kingsnation said:
Idk, I really like Gortat. And I think the experience he's gaining in the Finals is huge for him. He would bring that kind of experience to our team.
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Everyone likes him though. There are playoff caliber teams and others a lot closer to competing who will be offering him money, so why would he choose here?

He would be the third big on our team, but he would be just about anywhere else as well. If your going to be the third big, why not go to a place where your winning or in the playoffs? The only real reason for him to come here would be if we outbid everyone else. No one is exactly sure what his market is, but it isn't going to be some cheap $2mil a year deal. He is going to get more, it is just a question of how much more.
 
TheRaven said:
it isn't going to be some cheap $2mil a year deal. He is going to get more, it is just a question of how much more.
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I'm guessing about 3x that much, which seems like it'd be out of our price range. Unless we shock the daylights out of the league by landing Thabeet, I'd settle for someone like Fesenko as our third big, for now.
 
Well the truth is that we could make a pretty healthy offer to Gortat. Were going to be 7 mil under the cap and I doubt many teams would match that offer in a year when there aren't many under the cap and everyone is trying open space for 2010. The Thunder is one of those teams that could outbid us if they wanted to. To me, the real question is do we think he's worth that much of a commitment.

On the other hand Fesenko would come cheaper, and considering that his former agent, levien now works for the Kings, he would seem like an easy fit. Gortat would give us immediate help, and Fesenko would, could, be and important part down the road. As much as I like Gortat, we are a rebuilding team. So I think I would go with Fesenko. Thats assuming that Utah doesn't pick up his option.
 
Jazz exercise option on Fesenko

Utah Jazz general manager Kevin O’Connor announced today that the team has exercised its option on center Kyrylo Fesenko for the 2009-10 season.
Fesenko has also played a total of 51 games (35 starts) while on assignment with the Utah Flash of the NBA Development League over the past two seasons, where he averaged 10.6 points, 7.9 rebounds and 1.82 blocks in 25.5 minutes per game.
RealGM Note: Fesenko will make $870k during the 2009-10 season.
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Gortat isn't currently available. This is all just hypothetical. Orlando could and may find a way to keep him around.
 
VF21 said:
Gortat isn't currently available. This is all just hypothetical. Orlando could and may find a way to keep him around.
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Yes and no. Being a restricted free agent Orlando could match any offer sheet and keep him. But I just don't see any way they can dole out starter money to a guy that should only be playing 10 mpg behind Howard. Especially with Hedo likely being a free agent and the big contracts Lewis and Howard already have. I think it's almost certain that they'll let him go when another team overpays for him.

I'd prefer if the Kings weren't that team.
 
gortat will be earning his paycheck and he will be getting a big MLE to who ever can afford... instead of racing for him we explore other potential bigs..

fesenko isnt out of the race yet... even if he was excecised by the jazz they could possibly trade him. we could trade 31st for him..

or explore big men in the 2nd round

1. vyacheslav kravtsov. a 7footer from ukraine. just like fesenko athletic big.. also with a big frame

2. chris johnson?

3. garret siler..

damn thats a short list n the 31st pick. but i think we should look these guys up to play behind hawes... or do we give cedric simmons another chance.. i know he is athletic i saw his combine stats
 
Aenadin said:
gortat will be earning his paycheck and he will be getting a big MLE to who ever can afford... instead of racing for him we explore other potential bigs..

fesenko isnt out of the race yet... even if he was excecised by the jazz they could possibly trade him. we could trade 31st for him..

or explore big men in the 2nd round

1. vyacheslav kravtsov. a 7footer from ukraine. just like fesenko athletic big.. also with a big frame

2. chris johnson?

3. garret siler..

damn thats a short list n the 31st pick. but i think we should look these guys up to play behind hawes... or do we give cedric simmons another chance.. i know he is athletic i saw his combine stats
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I suspect that the reason Utah gave Fesenko a qualifying offer is because they want to get something back in return. I'm not sure what they would want for him, but lets be honest here. He hasn't proved anything to anyone yet. So I wouldn't be willing to give up that much for him. But I would be interested.

I have greater interest in Gortat, who is more of a proven comodity. Once again, I'm not sure what he's worth on the open market, but he would be my preference of the two..
 
Aenadin said:
gortat will be earning his paycheck and he will be getting a big MLE to who ever can afford... instead of racing for him we explore other potential bigs..

fesenko isnt out of the race yet... even if he was excecised by the jazz they could possibly trade him. we could trade 31st for him..

or explore big men in the 2nd round

1. vyacheslav kravtsov. a 7footer from ukraine. just like fesenko athletic big.. also with a big frame

2. chris johnson?

3. garret siler..

damn thats a short list n the 31st pick. but i think we should look these guys up to play behind hawes... or do we give cedric simmons another chance.. i know he is athletic i saw his combine stats
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I understand why you might want to look elsewhere with our MLE, but my only problem with the names you mentioned is that these guys are projects who may or may not contribute down the road. While I am not against drafting or trading for(fesenko) a prospect, I would like to use our MLE to fill an immediate need, and signing Gortat would do that.

If we trade for fesenko, or draft of big that is a project, we better use the MLE on someone who will contribute and fill a hole, as well as help in a rebuilding process. I don't know how many other FA's out there fit that criteria.
 
The MLE isn't available if your team is under the cap, which the Kings are/will be. The MLE - or mid-level exception - is just that...an exception to the salary cap rules.

bajaden talks about this in the McCants thread and you can read about it in the thread about the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA)
 
VF21 said:
The MLE isn't available if your team is under the cap, which the Kings are/will be. The MLE - or mid-level exception - is just that...an exception to the salary cap rules.

bajaden talks about this in the McCants thread and you can read about it in the thread about the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA)
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Well, it's not that it's not available. It's always available and all exceptions are automatically added to a team's cap number even if they're below the cap. It's just that if you are under the cap and want to use that space you may have to renounce the MLE and/or other exceptions that you might have such as the biannual exception.

So it's essentially only for teams that are over the cap, but if you're, say, $3 million under the cap, since the MLE counts toward your cap number you're not actually under the cap. You're technically $2 million over, and you are able to use the MLE.

Or, let's say your team is $10 million under the cap. The MLE and biannual count $6.5 million, so you're technically only $3.5 million under. If you wanted to sign someone for $10 million you'd have to renounce your exceptions. Then you could sign someone for $10 million, but you couldn't then turn around and use the MLE because you had to renounce it.

See #20 in Salary Cap FAQ for more info.
 
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I know there are a lot of details but some people seem to think we can use the MLE no matter what... And that's not true.
 
VF21 said:
I know there are a lot of details but some people seem to think we can use the MLE no matter what... And that's not true.
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Right. We're probably going to be about $7 million under, which means that if we wanted to sign, say, Sessions starting at $7 million a year, we'd have to renounce the rights to our free agents as well as the MLE. We couldn't sign Sessions and use the MLE.
 
vikinginferno said:
Gortat is EXACTLY the type of player that we need. He has virtually no offensive game, but we have Spencer who is becoming a good scorer at the center position. We don't need more projects. Gortat is also only 25 so he really isn't very old and fits in extremely well in the rebuild process. I would rather have him than Thabeet or The Birdman as he is a very good defender in the post and a very good rebounder as well as a decent shotblocker.
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Are you serious? Over Thabeet? Over Birdman? i think your alone on this one.
 
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