Who Should The Kings Pursue in a Deadline Trade?

eleventy

eleventy

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In a previous thread, I referenced my belief that the Kings need a YOUNG point guard and said I believe that Miles "Deuce" McBride should be our target.

Being "out of it" afford us the opportunity to "take a chance".

McBride is a point guard only. But he is blocked by Brunson and that is unlikely to change. They sometimes play together, but don't be deceived - McBride is a point guard. He has two more years on his extension at a rate that is "rock bottom".

I also take in to account that Scott Perry has NYC connections.

What would it take? Certainly not a #1. maybe two number 2's. Or a package featuring Keon (who we are going to lose anyway) and maybe we include Schroeder to be the Knicks b/u point. To me, it's a doable trade.

Who else have I seen that I'd like to acquire?

#1 Santi Aldama of Memphis.

This would likely require us being willing to gamble on Ja.

I doubt that Memphis will get many serious offers for Morant.

If we can't get McBride, II would be willing to take on Morant, but only under these conditions:

A) Memphis is willing to take LaVine

B) Memphis also takes Schroeder and gives us Aldama (Aldama makes slightly more on a three year deal, but this should work - Memphis has "bigs" the way the Kings have "guards").

2) Pete Nance (6/10, son of Larry and brother of Larry Jr.). He has earned almost no money, is on a two-way, so, a trade would be an improvement for him. The Bucks played him a lot on Monday (in a close game), so, they may be showcasing him (he played well). And, the bonus is that now that you are talking to the Bucks, you just might inquire about Giannis (they'd have to be willing to take LaVine and we'd probably have to throw in Keegan, Keon and picks, but it might be doable (Doc Rivers is his coach and Bobby Jackson was his assistant coach previously in Philadelphia, so we at least have a "connection").

That's all I have for now. I did see a player who I liked and when I looked him up he was scoring 20+ in the G League but I can't remember his name or team.
 
and who, in your opinion could we trade FOR draft capital/cash... that is, who do we have that anyone really WANTS? sure you could get something for renaud, but do you really WANT to trade him? (i don't)... keon, but that might not even bring a first... DeMarr, ok, although it better be a great first rounder or i'd rather keep him. Keegan? are you going to get a lottery pick for him? (if not, keep him)...
 
eleventy said:
and who, in your opinion could we trade FOR draft capital/cash... that is, who do we have that anyone really WANTS? sure you could get something for renaud, but do you really WANT to trade him? (i don't)... keon, but that might not even bring a first... DeMarr, ok, although it better be a great first rounder or i'd rather keep him. Keegan? are you going to get a lottery pick for him? (if not, keep him)...
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I think you may have misunderstood me, so allow me to explain...

I understand that we will need to take a contract or two in any or most deals we are involved in. What I am saying is that our primary focus shouldn't be on the contract or two that we will have to take on, but rather on the added draft capital and/or cash that will be coming along with the contract or two.
 
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Yes, but WHO do we have that could BRING us draft picks (other than young guys whom we wouldn't want to trade).

Can someone propose a trade for cash or draft capital? I would think that if we ask around the league, that we would be haggling over which draft picks we would have to ATTACH, although perhaps you could get a couple of second rounders for DeRozen.

not a lot of people seem to visit the Personnel site - this site seems to encompass the entire league, whereas mas mine was Kings specific
 
eleventy said:
Yes, but WHO do we have that could BRING us draft picks (other than young guys whom we wouldn't want to trade).

Can someone propose a trade for cash or draft capital? I would think that if we ask around the league, that we would be haggling over which draft picks we would have to ATTACH, although perhaps you could get a couple of second rounders for DeRozen.

not a lot of people seem to visit the Personnel site - this site seems to encompass the entire league, whereas mas mine was Kings specific
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Why does it have to be a "WHO", though? Why can't it be a "WHAT"? We don't necessarily have to trade a body to get draft picks. We can package picks, or acquire a pick or two for cash considerations.
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
Why does it have to be a "WHO", though? Why can't it be a "WHAT"? We don't necessarily have to trade a body to get draft picks. We can package picks, or acquire a pick or two for cash considerations.
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I know we have a bunch of second rounders - is there a precedent for, say, trading two or three (or four) second rounders for a first round pick?

Give us some potential trades for cash or assets that you think might be doable. Either using or not using actual bodies.
 
eleventy said:
I know we have a bunch of second rounders - is there a precedent for, say, trading two or three (or four) second rounders for a first round pick?

Give us some potential trades for cash or assets that you think might be doable. Either using or not using actual bodies.
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You kind of already answered your own question...We can potentially package multiple second round picks for a first round pick. OR, we can trade a second round pick for cash considerations...The possibilities are endless.
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
You kind of already answered your own question...We can potentially package multiple second round picks for a first round pick. OR, we can trade a second round pick for cash considerations...The possibilities are endless.
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i asked for some examples of when this has been done. For instance, if you know of a team that traded two (or three or four or however many) second round picks for a first rounder, tell me where that has been done. Or if you know of a team that has "sold" a draft pick, who and for how much?

for example, on the fire christie thread, i suggested that vivek could profit from helping doug amass a resume and in return, if doug was offered the seattle job, vivek could make a deal like, "you can have doug but what we want in return is that you select the player of our choice in the expansion draft, thus protecting guys we DON'T want to lose."

I pointed to the example of New Orleans trading (essentially) Sean Payton to Denver along with a round three pick in return for a first and second round draft choice.

So, give me some similar examples.
 
eleventy said:
I know we have a bunch of second rounders - is there a precedent for, say, trading two or three (or four) second rounders for a first round pick?

Give us some potential trades for cash or assets that you think might be doable. Either using or not using actual bodies.
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see above
 
eleventy said:
i asked for some examples of when this has been done. For instance, if you know of a team that traded two (or three or four or however many) second round picks for a first rounder, tell me where that has been done. Or if you know of a team that has "sold" a draft pick, who and for how much?
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Teams sell second round picks for cash on draft day every single year. Teams frequently package picks together to move up or down in the draft (again, happens every single year), and it is by no means unheard of for second rounders to be packaged in exchange for a first rounder (maybe not every year).

The challenge you have posed here is equivalent to saying, "Oh, yeah, you say that it rains sometimes? Give me an example of a specific date that it rained." Sorry if nobody bothers to go back over the records to confirm the existence of an event that frequently occurs.

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for example, on the fire christie thread, i suggested that vivek could profit from helping doug amass a resume and in return, if doug was offered the seattle job, vivek could make a deal like, "you can have doug but what we want in return is that you select the player of our choice in the expansion draft, thus protecting guys we DON'T want to lose."
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This would be considered tampering and would be against the rules of the expansion draft. Teams are not allowed to make any trades or other arrangements which would either prevent a player from being selected in the expansion draft, or encourage a player to be selected in the expansion draft.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
This would be considered tampering and would be against the rules of the expansion draft. Teams are not allowed to make any trades or other arrangements which would either prevent a player from being selected in the expansion draft, or encourage a player to be selected in the expansion draft.
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While this may or may not be true for past expansion drafts, that doesn't mean that it can't happen in the future. We haven't seen much expansion outside of the NHL or MLS in the past 20 years. I can't say for certain on NHL, but I do know that teams engage in side deals during MLS expansion drafts all the time. Whatever happens in this next expansion I can say for certain it will probably look a lot different than in the past given the last team in the league (Charlotte then-Bobcats) entered for a paltry 300 million.
 
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eleventy said:
i asked for some examples of when this has been done. For instance, if you know of a team that traded two (or three or four or however many) second round picks for a first rounder, tell me where that has been done. Or if you know of a team that has "sold" a draft pick, who and for how much?

for example, on the fire christie thread, i suggested that vivek could profit from helping doug amass a resume and in return, if doug was offered the seattle job, vivek could make a deal like, "you can have doug but what we want in return is that you select the player of our choice in the expansion draft, thus protecting guys we DON'T want to lose."

I pointed to the example of New Orleans trading (essentially) Sean Payton to Denver along with a round three pick in return for a first and second round draft choice.

So, give me some similar examples.
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It happens all the time. You have google don’t you? And as far as making Doug promise to to take a certain player in an expansion draft is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Are you a child. Or something? I just gonna have to not comment if so.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
While this may or may not be true for past expansion drafts, that doesn't mean that it can't happen in the future.
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In the '04 expansion draft this sort of thing was explicitly disallowed (I assume it was before that as well). I would be shocked if that changed for the expected expansion draft. Even my hatred of Adam Silver does not go far as to believe he would allow that to change (regardless of what happens in MLS). Edit: I read (and remembered) the rule wrong. See below.
 
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Jdbraver137 said:
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It happens all the time. You have google don’t you? And as far as making Doug promise to to take a certain player in an expansion draft is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Are you a child. Or something? I just gonna have to not comment if so.
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jd said this (which i am certain he will apologize for):

And as far as making Doug promise to to take a certain player in an expansion draft is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Are you a child. Or something? I just gonna have to not comment if so.

these are from google AI:

  • In the 2004 Expansion Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats agreed to select Predrag Drobnjak from the LA Clippers in exchange for receiving a future second-round pick. The Clippers also swapped first-round picks as part of the deal.

  • The Bobcats also agreed to select Jahidi White from the Phoenix Suns in return for a future first-round draft pick.


  • In the 1995 Expansion Draft, the Vancouver Grizzlies agreed to select Rodney Dent from the Orlando Magic in exchange for a future second-round pick.
These agreements are official trades made in advance of the expansion draft, allowing teams to manage their rosters and assets strategically.

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it would not be Doug making the deal - that would be the GM's purview.

now, for that apology, jd? - c'mon, put on your big boy pants and admit that not only were you wrong, but you were deliberately insulting.

special for you: WAAAAAAAAH

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to the captain:

as to the fact that it has been disallowed, can you provide me with the nba rule regarding that?

not saying that i doubt you - it may well be that they changed the rules after the 2004 expansion draft and i would simply like to see the rule by link or cut/paste
 
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eleventy said:
jd said this (which i am certain he will apologize for):

And as far as making Doug promise to to take a certain player in an expansion draft is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Are you a child. Or something? I just gonna have to not comment if so.

these are from google AI:

  • In the 2004 Expansion Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats agreed to select Predrag Drobnjak from the LA Clippers in exchange for receiving a future second-round pick. The Clippers also swapped first-round picks as part of the deal.

  • The Bobcats also agreed to select Jahidi White from the Phoenix Suns in return for a future first-round draft pick.


  • In the 1995 Expansion Draft, the Vancouver Grizzlies agreed to select Rodney Dent from the Orlando Magic in exchange for a future second-round pick.
These agreements are official trades made in advance of the expansion draft, allowing teams to manage their rosters and assets strategically.

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it would not be Doug making the deal - that would be the GM's purview.

now, for that apology, jd? - c'mon, put on your big boy pants and admit that not only were you wrong, but you were deliberately insulting.

special for you: WAAAAAAAAH
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I have nothing to apologize for and your AI did not give you a result to YOUR scenario which is Vivek give Christie a job and then in return Doug doesn’t select a guy on the kings that Vivek protects in an expansion draft. To be honest I think you are mentally handicapped so I’ll just block you now.
 
eleventy said:
to the captain:

as to the fact that it has been disallowed, can you provide me with the nba rule regarding that?

not saying that i doubt you - it may well be that they changed the rules after the 2004 expansion draft and i would simply like to see the rule by link or cut/paste
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I had it back-asswards. I read the word "not" into the rule, when that word was not present. My mistake.
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
I'm of the firm belief that we shouldn't be targeting a who in any deal that we are involved in.
I'm of the firm belief that we should be targeting a what (i.e. draft capital, cash) in any deal that we are involved in.
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went back and reread this.

it seems clear that you are suggesting that we should be looking for picks or cash - so we must be trading players for them. other than keon, can you suggest a reasonable trade that would bring the kings picks or cash?

you could say, "trade Zach for a 2029 second rounder" (if you could get even that), but i think he is worth more in a player trade than being traded for cash (which i don't think could be done - matching salaries, ect)... as for trading zach for a first rounder, do you have a potential partner for that trade (and that partner would still have to match salaries with a player)... so, who is going to give us a $50 million a year player AND a number one pick?

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found this on hoops hype - seems to be from 2004-2005 season, so, may have changed - captain?

this line is towards the bottom:

  • Teams are allowed to entice the expansion team to select players by offering cash, draft picks or agreeing to additional trades in return.

the entire piece:

> NBA history > NBA Rules >
  • Unrestricted free agents are ineligible for the expansion draft.
  • Each team can protect up to eight players. If a team has less than eight players on its roster to protect, it still must leave a minimum of one player unprotected.
  • The expandsion team must select a minimum of 14 players and can select a maximum of 29 players overall.
  • The expansion team can select only one player from any one NBA team.
  • The expansion team is not bound to the salary cap during the draft. They can take on as many contracts as they like. However, once the draft is over, any players they've drafted and keep will count toward their cap (it should come in at around $31 million).
  • As long as the expansion team waives a player selected in the expansion draft before the first day of the regular season, the player's remaining contract does not count against the team's salary cap.
  • Restricted free agents drafted in the expansion draft automatically become unrestricted free agents.
  • Teams are allowed to entice the expansion team to select players by offering cash, draft picks or agreeing to additional trades in return.
  • If a team has a player selected by the expansion team, the team receives a trade exception equal to the player's 2004-05 salary. This allows teams to replace a player lost in the expansion draft with another player of comparable salary.
 
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Capt. Factorial said:
In the '04 expansion draft this sort of thing was explicitly disallowed (I assume it was before that as well). I would be shocked if that changed for the expected expansion draft. Even my hatred of Adam Silver does not go far as to believe he would allow that to change (regardless of what happens in MLS). Edit: I read (and remembered) the rule wrong. See below.
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I know you edited your post but from what I see these days expansion rules are sort of written whenever they expand (again going by other leagues since they have more recent examples). For example the Bobcats got pick #4 while the Grizzlies and Raptors picked 6 and 7 initially. When it happens the other 30 owners are going to get 10-20 billion dollars in cash to split amongst themselves for the fees so they'll play nice to give the new teams a chance to be competitive from the jump. I'm sure the new owners will get to negotiate a few terms of entry and possibly even the Player's Association will get some say. Like hey, all these other teams get to break the cap to re-sign their own players, so give us up to the first apron to sign our first team, etc etc.
 
looks like my cut/paste on previous post didn't work...

here is something from spotrac:

the first paragraph is relevant - also this paragraph near the end:

On the flip side, existing teams will often leave players unprotected in an Expansion Draft that are have an undesirable contract. A team could attempt to incentivize an Expansion Team to select that player by offering a draft pick or another player in a trade. If that happens, the existing team removes the salary from their books and, if over the cap, creates a TPE for the amount of the selected player’s salary

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How this has worked in the past is the team has made a trade with one of the Expansion Teams to select a certain player, or to not select certain players. Here’s a brief example of pre-Expansion Draft trades that teams have made with this in mind:

  • 2004: The Bobcats acquired the second overall pick in the 2014 NBA Draft from the LA Clippers in exchange for the fourth overall pick and the 33rd overall pick in the 2014 NBA Draft. As part of the deal, the Bobcats agreed to select Predrag Drobnjak in the draft. (The Bobcats drafted Emeka Okafor and the Clippers selected Shaun Livingston and Lionel Chalmers.)
  • 2004: The Bobcats agreed to select Jahidi White from the Phoenix Suns in exchange for a future first-round pick. (That pick conveyed in 2005 and Charlotte drafted Sean May.)
  • 1995: The Grizzlies agreed to select Rodney Dent from the Orlando Magic in exchange for a future second-round pick. (That pick conveyed in 1996 and Vancouver drafted Randy Livingston.)
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(these - above- were cited in the AI response - probably scraped it from there)

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In addition, teams will sometimes make selections during the Expansion Draft with future trades in mind. The Charlotte Bobcats made two such select-and-trade deals in 2004:

  • The Bobcats selected Zaza Pachulia from the Orlando Magic. Pachulia was then traded to the Milwaukee Bucks in exchange for the 45th overall pick in the 2004 NBA Draft. (Charlotte drafted Bernard Robinson.)
  • The Bobcats selected Sasha Pavlovic from the Utah Jazz. Pavlovic was then traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers for a future first-round pick. (That pick conveyed in 2007 and Charlotte drafted Jared Dudley.)
On the flip side, existing teams will often leave players unprotected in an Expansion Draft that are have an undesirable contract. A team could attempt to incentivize an Expansion Team to select that player by offering a draft pick or another player in a trade. If that happens, the existing team removes the salary from their books and, if over the cap, creates a TPE for the amount of the selected player’s salary.

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this is post 2004, so, if they changed the rule, it must have been later - do you have anything, captain?
 
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Jdbraver137 said:
I have nothing to apologize for and your AI did not give you a result to YOUR scenario which is Vivek give Christie a job and then in return Doug doesn’t select a guy on the kings that Vivek protects in an expansion draft. To be honest I think you are mentally handicapped so I’ll just block you now.
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"i'll wear your blockage as a badge of honor", said the mentally handicapped child
 
eleventy said:
it seems clear that you are suggesting that we should be looking for picks or cash - so we must be trading players for them. other than keon, can you suggest a reasonable trade that would bring the kings picks or cash?
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Not necessarily...We could easily trade multiple lower draft picks for a higher, single, draft pick. Or, we can trade a higher, single, draft pick for multiple lower draft picks.
 
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