When?

[ReinadelosReys]

After having some time to digest all the events of yesterday, now with some sense of clarity, the question for me that I hope the Kings have an answer to is "when?." When will enough become enough? When will the complaining stop? When will the feeling sorry for ourselves stop? When will they start acting instead of reacting? Feeling disrespected, feeling picked on? Then do something about it! I admit, it is a lot easier for us fans to feel disrespected, and I am a main cuplrit of it. But, we are fans, but its the players who are out there on the court with the ability to do something about it. So, my message to the Kings: When?

 

[piksi]

After having some time to digest all the events of yesterday, now with some sense of clarity, the question for me that I hope the Kings have an answer to is "when?." When will enough become enough? When will the complaining stop? When will the feeling sorry for ourselves stop? When will they start acting instead of reacting? Feeling disrespected, feeling picked on? Then do something about it! I admit, it is a lot easier for us fans to feel disrespected, and I am a main cuplrit of it. But, we are fans, but its the players who are out there on the court with the ability to do something about it. So, my message to the Kings: When?

I do not see it happening any time soon

 

[HndsmCelt]

This is now a self feeding cycle. Who started it is hard/impossible to say, but clearly the Kings feel abused by the refs and justified is complaining. the Refs are sick of the complaining and probalby take it out on the Kings in the form of no calls and quick whistles on the other end. after all the Refs are only human and it is human nature to take offense to complaints and to react to that. At this stage the Kings have a few options. Realizing that the Refs have NO motivation to change or to even discuss the tensions that exist (why shnoud they it does not hurt them) The Kings can either start kissing butt, stop whining and send out written appoligies hoping to get in the refs good graces or they can do what many other team in this situation have done, realize they will not get the calls, play smart, avoiding T's and suspensions, and taking the Refs out of the game by not letting oppenets get back up once they have the advantage. Refs have some power but if the game is not close and the team is focused the Refs are really not the last word in a game. Look at old Pistons game. The Refs hated the Bad Boys and looked for reasons to eject Mahorn and Lambier. Even Zeek rarely got the benifit of "bad" calls and guys who hacked him got away with alot. The TEAM did not whine, and most importantly they did not let teams that got the calls stay close, beceuase they knew in a close game the Refs were much more likely to give Boston a break than them.

Now I am not saying the Kings should become thugs like the old Pistons, but what they do need to do is accept the fact that they are not likely to get calls and deal with it. Don't throw up soft lay ups hopeing for the and one, slam it down, pick your self up and if you are getting hacked find opertunities for pay back when you are NOT likely to called for the foul.

 

[webberfan]

This is now a self feeding cycle. Who started it is hard/impossible to say, but clearly the Kings feel abused by the refs and justified is complaining. the Refs are sick of the complaining and probalby take it out on the Kings in the form of no calls and quick whistles on the other end. after all the Refs are only human and it is human nature to take offense to complaints and to react to that. At this stage the Kings have a few options. Realizing that the Refs have NO motivation to change or to even discuss the tensions that exist (why shnoud they it does not hurt them) The Kings can either start kissing butt, stop whining and send out written appoligies hoping to get in the refs good graces or they can do what many other team in this situation have done, realize they will not get the calls, play smart, avoiding T's and suspensions, and taking the Refs out of the game by not letting oppenets get back up once they have the advantage. Refs have some power but if the game is not close and the team is focused the Refs are really not the last word in a game. Look at old Pistons game. The Refs hated the Bad Boys and looked for reasons to eject Mahorn and Lambier. Even Zeek rarely got the benifit of "bad" calls and guys who hacked him got away with alot. The TEAM did not whine, and most importantly they did not let teams that got the calls stay close, beceuase they knew in a close game the Refs were much more likely to give Boston a break than them.

Now I am not saying the Kings should become thugs like the old Pistons, but what they do need to do is accept the fact that they are not likely to get calls and deal with it. Don't throw up soft lay ups hopeing for the and one, slam it down, pick your self up and if you are getting hacked find opertunities for pay back when you are NOT likely to called for the foul.

excellent post.

 

[iheartBrad]

well i don't know about everyone else but i had prolly about 4-5 seperate nightmares about last nights game

i hate the justification that the refs are sick of hearing the kings complain and whine so they don't get the benefit of the calls sometimes...BLAH...thats stupid....i don't care if each player started crying and clung to the officials leg like a 2 year old child...it doesn't take away from the RULES....if there is a FOUL... CALL IT...if there is a GOALTEND...CALL IT...so on and so on...since when do the refs get to play god with the rules and say...well im sick of how much you complain so you aren't gonna get that call....WHAT? thats totally unfair

 

[mazzystar]

Ya, I really hope the Kings can just prevail, and stop with the complaining..Lotta non kings fans, say the kings are the biggest whiners, and honestly, I dont disagree.. If they would just play thru it.... I hate that the kings have a rep as whiners..

 

[albeitrue]

This is now a self feeding cycle. Who started it is hard/impossible to say, but clearly the Kings feel abused by the refs and justified is complaining. the Refs are sick of the complaining and probalby take it out on the Kings in the form of no calls and quick whistles on the other end. after all the Refs are only human and it is human nature to take offense to complaints and to react to that. At this stage the Kings have a few options. Realizing that the Refs have NO motivation to change or to even discuss the tensions that exist (why shnoud they it does not hurt them) The Kings can either start kissing butt, stop whining and send out written appoligies hoping to get in the refs good graces or they can do what many other team in this situation have done, realize they will not get the calls, play smart, avoiding T's and suspensions, and taking the Refs out of the game by not letting oppenets get back up once they have the advantage. Refs have some power but if the game is not close and the team is focused the Refs are really not the last word in a game. Look at old Pistons game. The Refs hated the Bad Boys and looked for reasons to eject Mahorn and Lambier. Even Zeek rarely got the benifit of "bad" calls and guys who hacked him got away with alot. The TEAM did not whine, and most importantly they did not let teams that got the calls stay close, beceuase they knew in a close game the Refs were much more likely to give Boston a break than them.

Now I am not saying the Kings should become thugs like the old Pistons, but what they do need to do is accept the fact that they are not likely to get calls and deal with it. Don't throw up soft lay ups hopeing for the and one, slam it down, pick your self up and if you are getting hacked find opertunities for pay back when you are NOT likely to called for the foul.

Excellent thoughts. Makes me think about the ole' office job where some there cause drama, complain, blame, snitch... in the big scheme of things they have a harder time getting their work done with all the discractions they create. Eventually, their lack of production will sneak up and bite them in the arse in the form of losing respect and trust of their superiors (assuming of course subordinate & superior are not in cahoots with each other), becoming a menace to their peers and possible eventual termination. Alternately, there are those workers who put their heads down and focus, not allowing outside influences to keep them from their goal--to keep the ebb and flow of their own environment positive, productive and constant.

It helps when everyone has the same goal, of course.

 

[swisshh]

You know, I think it's improtant to remember and perhaps tell the newer Kings fans that this is nothing new. In the lean years, in the past, when players were traded to this team (Spud Webb, Richmond), it seemed within a month of playing here they had some comment about being treated differently by the officials. Back then the respect the Kings got might have been even worse, but it's always been a problem here for as long as I can remember. Every player traded here seemed to remark on how they didn't get the same calls. I don't know what it is about the city of Sacramento, but there has been a grudge, a curse, a force of some sort that has bugged this team for seasons upon seasons. The players have changed over the years, the coaches have come and gone, owners and management have been passed from hand to hand, BUT one thing has remained the same... the officials.

So to answer your question, the complaining will never stop for the problem has nevert stopped.

 

[Elise10]

After having some time to digest all the events of yesterday, now with some sense of clarity, the question for me that I hope the Kings have an answer to is "when?." When will enough become enough? When will the complaining stop? When will the feeling sorry for ourselves stop? When will they start acting instead of reacting? Feeling disrespected, feeling picked on? Then do something about it! I admit, it is a lot easier for us fans to feel disrespected, and I am a main cuplrit of it. But, we are fans, but its the players who are out there on the court with the ability to do something about it. So, my message to the Kings: When?

Now should be the answer, provided that it really shouldn't come any lower than what it is. Starting with the game against the Sonics and progressing from that.

 

[albeitrue]

You know, I think it's improtant to remember and perhaps tell the newer Kings fans that this is nothing new. In the lean years, in the past, when players were traded to this team (Spud Webb, Richmond), it seemed within a month of playing here they had some comment about being treated differently by the officials. Back then the respect the Kings got might have been even worse, but it's always been a problem here for as long as I can remember. Every player traded here seemed to remark on how they didn't get the same calls. I don't know what it is about the city of Sacramento, but there has been a grudge, a curse, a force of some sort that has bugged this team for seasons upon seasons. The players have changed over the years, the coaches have come and gone, owners and management have been passed from hand to hand, BUT one thing has remained the same... the officials.

So to answer your question, the complaining will never stop for the problem has nevert stopped.

I've heard stories and accounts along this same line, and who can forget 2002 WCF. But in order to buy into the theory that some, most or all refs have the same regard for Kings and therefore are out to "get" them, one would have to believe there is some kind of reward attached. Otherwise, why else would they (the refs, NBA, whoever) begin and continue to make bad calls or purposely miss calls, etc? And in order to believe there is a reward, one would assume that others know something and sooner or later someone is gonna talk (as Brick eluded to quite some time ago).

Taking the "victim" approach is counterproductive, that role suggests things cannot change and success will therefore always be elusive. Why even try?

 

[swisshh]

I am not suggesting taking the victim role. I think people should talk about it openly, but instead it's looked down upon.

As for why it is this way, other than the economic food chain thing.. I don't know. It is what it is though and you can't just ignore the history.