What if...

Would you support a Maloof-owned NHL team in Sacramento?

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Jose

Jose

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... the Maloofs take Sacramento's offer, then announce their intentions to buy an NHL team. Assuming they are willing to sing a long-ish term lease (15+ years?), would you welcome them back into Sacramento's sports scene and support their team?

I don't know if I'm in the minority, but I would... it helps support the new arena, brings jobs, more options and helps downtown. I can put aside my hatred for the Clowns, because this is about Sacramento.
 
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Jose said:
... the Maloofs take Sacramento's offer, then announce their intentions to buy an NHL team. Assuming they are willing to sing a long-ish term lease (15+ years?), would you welcome them back into Sacramento's sports scene and support their team?

I don't know if I'm in the minority, but I would... it helps support the new arena, brings jobs, more options and helps downtown. I can put aside my hatred for the Clowns, because this is about Sacramento.
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#1 Unless there was an NHL team floundering with no fan support/arena deal/political will to keep it in town I don't think I'd be remotely interested in having Sacramento try to take a team from another city.
#2 As this saga with the Kings goes on, more damaging things keep coming to light such as the story of them trying to buy the Spurs possibly to move them and that they intended from the beginning to move the Kings. No, the Maloofs have burned their bridges in Sacramento. The fans don't want to see them and I don't think they ever want to set foot in the city again.
#3 They are still bad owners.

When the Maloofs first bought the Kings they were flush with money and ready to spend. But more importantly, Geoff had the best offseason of his career. Trading for Webber, signing Vlade and drafting Jason Williams. With Peja finally coming over, and some solid starters (Corliss, TAW) and bench players (Maxwell, Pollard, Funderburke) the Kings started an exciting run and had the pieces to trade to improve and the money to fill in spots. They caught lightning in a bottle that season. Now, they wouldn't need as much cash to run an NHL team, but you still have to spend. AND there's certainly no guarantee they'll have a GM do anywhere near as well as what Geoff did. The test of a good organization isn't that it gets successful, but how it maintains that success and adapts. The Spurs are a great example. No, the Maloofs got lucky and then subsequently showed themselves to be inept. Not only do I not want the Maloofs to own an NHL team in Sacramento (which would never happen anyway) but I don't want them owning an NHL team ANYWHERE. Because it wouldn't be fair to NHL fans of that team. That's not vitriol talking, that's just a relatively unbiased view of their inability to understand how to build a winning organization.
 
several qualifications would have to be met that just simply won't be. a) the Maloofs would have to be allowed to own an NHL franchise (ha! remember, Burkle is an NHL owner and has intimate knowledge of their complete and utter incompentence both as businessmen and humna beings. he'll surely be glad to enlighten the other owners). b) they'd have to be interested in staying in Sacramento (again, ha! they continue to test the limits of stupidity, but even they...). c) Sacramento would have to be in the running for an NHL team (this might be the most feasible. as long as Burkle was involved in the ownership group, it was impossible. in his new capacity it would depend on the availability of NHL franchises and I don't know a thing about that. hopefully it'd work via expansion, taking another city's team wouldn't sit right with me).

other than that, I fully endorse this statement:

Capt. Factorial said:
The Maloofs are welcome to never set foot in Sacramento again. Ever.
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jalfa said:
several qualifications would have to be met that just simply won't be. a) the Maloofs would have to be allowed to own an NHL franchise (ha! remember, Burkle is an NHL owner and has intimate knowledge of their complete and utter incompentence both as businessmen and humna beings. he'll surely be glad to enlighten the other owners). b) they'd have to be interested in staying in Sacramento (again, ha! they continue to test the limits of stupidity, but even they...). c) Sacramento would have to be in the running for an NHL team (this might be the most feasible. as long as Burkle was involved in the ownership group, it was impossible. in his new capacity it would depend on the availability of NHL franchises and I don't know a thing about that. hopefully it'd work via expansion, taking another city's team wouldn't sit right with me).

other than that, I fully endorse this statement:
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i'd also add d) the maloofs would have to be able to afford it. if they snag a cool $350 million from the sale of their 65% majority stake in the kings, then turn around and blow most of it on the purchase of a theoretical nhl team, you have to assume they're gonna run into the same problems they've faced the last few seasons: having to cut costs because they're not flush with enough cash to operate a professional sports franchise, no matter the league...

now, i don't know how lucrative it is to be an nhl owner, but if the nfl and the mlb dominate professional sports revenues, then i have to imagine the nhl is somewhere behind the nba in those statistics. we've heard rumors that the maloofs would like to buy into the nhl, but we've also heard rumors that they'd like to buy back into their beer distributorship. i would think that the latter would have to occur before the former, and even then they'd still be dragging around an irreparably damaged reputation. sacramento wouldn't touch them with a 1,000-foot cattle prod...
 
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Magoofs will never own a major league pro sports team ever again. I would like to see how their vodka line is doing on the books.
 
I wouldn't, but that has more to do with the fact that I don't like hockey. I didn't see anything in the OP or the poll which indicated that it was restricted to locals... and I did support the Monarchs, so it's not just because I'm not local; I wouldn't support anybody's hockey team, or any other sport that overlapped the NBA's season.

If Sacramento got a baseball team (and no, as a non-native, I do not consider Oakland or San Francisco to be Sacramento's team), I would probably cheer for them, out of solidarity to my Sac peeps, but I don't have the time or the inclnation for anything but basketball during basketball season.
 
Jose said:
... the Maloofs take Sacramento's offer, then announce their intentions to buy an NHL team. Assuming they are willing to sing a long-ish term lease (15+ years?), would you welcome them back into Sacramento's sports scene and support their team?

I don't know if I'm in the minority, but I would... it helps support the new arena, brings jobs, more options and helps downtown. I can put aside my hatred for the Clowns, because this is about Sacramento.
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You can't be serious.

The Maloofs will not be able to get a hockey team. They are pond-scum owners and every professional association knows it. Besides that, Ron Burkle is a member of the NHL ownership club. You think he's going to sit still and let his fellow team owners get involved with the Brothers Maloof?

Even if by some universal practical joke they did get a team, there is NO way on earth the new ownership group will have anything to do with the Maloofs.

Even if Vivek and group are brainwashed momentarily, there is NO way the sports fans of Sacramento would want to have anything to do with the Maloofs. They cannot be trusted. Period.

Your comment that you could put aside your hatred because "this is about Sacramento" might sound good, but it's just a bunch of words strung together that actually mean nothing. This is NOT about Sacramento. This is about the Maloofs. Two things come to mind:

1. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three or more times, I need to be committed.

2. The Snake by Al Wilson
Songwriters: KELLY, ROBERT S. / MORGAN, DARIAN

"On her way to work one morning
Down the path along side the lake
A tender hearted woman saw a poor half frozen snake
His pretty colored skin had been all frosted with the dew
"Oh well," she cried, "I'll take you in and I'll take care of you"
"Take me in oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake

She wrapped him up all cozy in a curvature of silk
And then laid him by the fireside with some honey and some milk
Now she hurried home from work that night as soon as she arrived
She found that pretty snake she'd taking in had been revived
"Take me in, oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake

Now she clutched him to her bosom, "You're so beautiful," she cried
"But if I hadn't brought you in by now you might have died"
Now she stroked his pretty skin and then she kissed and held him tight
But instead of saying thanks, that snake gave her a vicious bite
"Take me in, oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake

"I saved you," cried that woman
"And you've bit me even, why?
You know your bite is poisonous and now I'm going to die"
"Oh shut up, silly woman," said the reptile with a grin
"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in
"Take me in, oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake"

Anybody who wants to have anything to do with the Maloofs after all this needs to have their head examined.
 
VF21 said:
You can't be serious. The Maloofs will not be able to get a hockey team.
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I know they woulnd't. Hockey or any other sport. That's why the "what if"... But I am serious. I think if that scenario was to play out, I would be able to put aside my hatred for them, welcome the growth of our sports scene and the benefits it would bring, and actually attend the games.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't despise them for what they've done. But like those who have attended the Kings games during the last few years (especially this last year), I think I would put that aside and support the team.
 
Jose said:
I know they woulnd't. Hockey or any other sport. That's why the "what if"... But I am serious. I think if that scenario was to play out, I would be able to put aside my hatred for them, welcome the growth of our sports scene and the benefits it would bring, and actually attend the games.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't despise them for what they've done. But like those who have attended the Kings games during the last few years (especially this last year), I think I would put that aside and support the team.
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This is why I hate "what if" scenarios. You're admitting right off it would never happen, but then follow by saying "but if it did..." To me, that's kind of like arguing whether Batman could beat Superman. ;)

Supporting the team the past few years out of loyalty to an established franchise is a lot different than supporting a new team brought in by the Maloofs. We have no loyalty to a new sport and a new team.

Again, the city of Sacramento will not support anything by the brothers Maloof. One of the reasons KJ was able to even put together an arena deal this time around was because it didn't involve the Maloofs.

It really sounds like you truly want hockey to come to Sacramento at some point, but please read the lyrics of The Snake. You do anything with the Maloofs and you're just waiting to be bit.
 
VF21 said:
This is why I hate "what if" scenarios. You're admitting right off it would never happen, but then follow by saying "but if it did..." To me, that's kind of like arguing whether Batman could beat Superman. ;)

Supporting the team the past few years out of loyalty to an established franchise is a lot different than supporting a new team brought in by the Maloofs. We have no loyalty to a new sport and a new team.

Again, the city of Sacramento will not support anything by the brothers Maloof. One of the reasons KJ was able to even put together an arena deal this time around was because it didn't involve the Maloofs.

It really sounds like you truly want hockey to come to Sacramento at some point, but please read the lyrics of The Snake. You do anything with the Maloofs and you're just waiting to be bit.
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Batman could TOTALLY beat Superman :D
 
Padrino said:
i'd also add d) the maloofs would have to be able to afford it. if they snag a cool $350 million from the sale of their 65% majority stake in the kings, then turn around and blow most of it on the purchase of a theoretical nhl team, you have to assume they're gonna run into the same problems they've faced the last few seasons: having to cut costs because they're not flush with enough cash to operate a professional sports franchise, no matter the league...
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It's $341 million for 65% of the team, and I think 15% of that is Hernreich's, so they only get $263 million. Plus reports are that they are very much in debt, so their final takeaway would probably be $100 million or less. Doubt that's enough for the NHL.

If they did have money and could afford it, and they didn't poach a team to bring it to Sacramento, I wouldn't mind them as NHL owners there. But really that's just answering the question of whether you feel vindictive towards them, and I'd rather ignore them then feel vindictive.
 
I doubt there is a major league sport in the US that has not paid attention to the Maloofs and I think they will have a difficult time getting any team unless it is the oh so suitable lingerie league.
 
Glenn said:
I doubt there is a major league sport in the US that has not paid attention to the Maloofs and I think they will have a difficult time getting any team unless it is the oh so suitable lingerie league.
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I wouldn't even want them to own a Lingerie Football squad. My cousin plays for the San Diego Seduction. I don't want any of those D-Bags near her.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing Sacramento become a 2 sport town. Whether it's baseball or hockey, I don't care but I think this could be a succesful 2 sport town provided that both teams are winning.

Likewise, if it's a one sport town and the team is a loser, the sellouts will stop.
 
First and foremost, I am a die hard Sharks fan. Been one since the first time I watched a hockey game in person for the first time (which was against the Bruins in the mid-90's). Been glued to the Sharks ever since, and do not see me looking elsewhere in the distant future.

If Sacramento were to ever get a hockey team, I would support them, but only as my 2nd favorite team, and only if the ownership group is minus the Maloofs. I doubt I would be able to drop the Sharks below the Sacramento team if that were to ever happen. I will always be a Sharks fan first, but if Sacramento were to ever get an NHL franchise, I'd welcome that team with open arms, and I would definitely go to a few games. But again, only if the ownership group is minus the Maloofs.

I will never support another Maloof-led brand as long as I am breathing...
 
I'm too much in love with the Sharks at this point.

Maybe if I lived in Sac still. But probably not.
 
I do want to see the Sacramento sports scene expanded, and I think the NHL is next on the horizon, but a continued Maloof presence is just untenable.. If they purchased the team, brought it here, and were phased out in a couple of years, maybe I could plug my nose and ignore they are here for a short period of time
 
I think the best bet for Sac is MLS, IF the USL team is well supported, it would be 6-10 years out though.
 
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