What do you feel our first rounder is worth?
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Big Cuz 15
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it depends where the chips land. is our pick in the midde of the round due to us winning more games? or is it 1st pick?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Right at this moment? Wish I knew because I have had that same thought.
Suppose it might matter if its too late to trick a Kahn-level GM into thinking we're still going tow hae a bottom 3 record at the end of the year. Convince somebody its a Top3 its got the value to pry a star with a big contract from a team looking to rebuild. If somebody looks at trends with us and realizes it might be closer to #7-#9 they migt be less enthused.
Flipping the question, what would I move it for? Basically I think there are 3 big needs/holes we need to fill.
1) starting PF
2) starting SF
3) third guard
If your #3 can land you a major guy who just locks down one of those three roles for a long time, you have to consider it. One note however about that sort of trade: going into this offseason we basically have the cap room to sign/acquire two majro players, and we will have a Top 10 pick to acquire another. So we can pick up three players of significane wiht our assets this summer. If you trade that pick for a vet wiht a big contract, then you have basically used up TWO of your big assets -- not only the pick, but half the cap rom as well. So you have to be really sure its going to be a major score for you. Only way to avoide that problem is to trade for somebody wtih an ending contract, which would be ridiculously riskly to do with a lottery pick.
RookieOfTheDay
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Are you talking about now or once we know what it is? If it's now, it could probably bring back a very good player if packaged with something like Dalembert/Greene or Landry/Thompson. If it's after the season, it all depends on what the pick is and what the prospects look like.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
Less risky when you have the most cap space in the league available. For example, if they traded it for someone like Zach Randolph who's going to be looking to get paid, the Kings would be in the best position to resign him. And if the team had a strong finish with him, that would increase the chances even more.
upinsmoke
All-Star
Right now as of this moment. I have been thinking it could be in our best interest to trade the pick this year and add some sure fire talent, I am just not sure what kind of return we could expect to recieve for it.
Uncia03
Starter
In this particular draft I think that there are a lot of players who could turn out to be starting caliber players for this Kings team which can be found in the mid-to-late 1st round.
This draft doesn't appear to have any major/cant miss superstars at the top of the draft, though you can expect at least one or two players to reach that level at some point in their career.
So for me, the ideal scenario would be to lock in a starting veteran at one of our positions of need while somehow managing to keep a mid-1st round pick.
So if I could do a deal right now for our #1 pick + assets (donte/casspi) for Granger, and then deal Landry for a mid-to-late 1st pick then I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Granger would lock down the SF spot and be a fantastic compliment to Tyreke & Cousins.
For that mid-to-late 1st round pick I'd be targetting:
Jeffrey Taylor (SG)
Jordan Hamilton (SG)
Brandon Knight (PG/SG)
My preference would be to play Tyreke next to a big guard and bring Beno off the bench. I think Taylor or Hamilton could fit that starting back-court pairing with Tyreke, and both are slotted in the 15-20 range at the moment.
If I had to go with a smaller guard next to Tyreke then Brandon Knight would be perfect. He's a fantastic defender, and a great shooter, especially when his feet are set. He isn't a dynamic PG, but he's probably as good as Beno in that skillset.
Another potential trade could be with Charlotte to go after Gerald Wallace. In the Charlotte situation, you might actually be able to flip 1st round picks with them while giving up a Donte/Casspi as well as Landry.
Anyway, if we have the ability to turn our 1st into a veteran player who can lock down one of our spots, while using Landry as an asset to get a potential role-playing starter in the mid-to-late first round, then you'd be 2/3rds of the way done with the roster. Use the remaining capspace (if necessary) to fill in the gaps or pick up another strong player to fit a position and then start winning tons of basketball games.
Regardless of how it plays out, the future is incredibly bright for this team. I had a friend over for the Laker's game and mentioned prior to the game that the Kings should be sweeping the Lakers in about 3 year's time. He gave me a funny look, but began to concede the point as the game wore on.
This draft doesn't appear to have any major/cant miss superstars at the top of the draft, though you can expect at least one or two players to reach that level at some point in their career.
So for me, the ideal scenario would be to lock in a starting veteran at one of our positions of need while somehow managing to keep a mid-1st round pick.
So if I could do a deal right now for our #1 pick + assets (donte/casspi) for Granger, and then deal Landry for a mid-to-late 1st pick then I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Granger would lock down the SF spot and be a fantastic compliment to Tyreke & Cousins.
For that mid-to-late 1st round pick I'd be targetting:
Jeffrey Taylor (SG)
Jordan Hamilton (SG)
Brandon Knight (PG/SG)
My preference would be to play Tyreke next to a big guard and bring Beno off the bench. I think Taylor or Hamilton could fit that starting back-court pairing with Tyreke, and both are slotted in the 15-20 range at the moment.
If I had to go with a smaller guard next to Tyreke then Brandon Knight would be perfect. He's a fantastic defender, and a great shooter, especially when his feet are set. He isn't a dynamic PG, but he's probably as good as Beno in that skillset.
Another potential trade could be with Charlotte to go after Gerald Wallace. In the Charlotte situation, you might actually be able to flip 1st round picks with them while giving up a Donte/Casspi as well as Landry.
Anyway, if we have the ability to turn our 1st into a veteran player who can lock down one of our spots, while using Landry as an asset to get a potential role-playing starter in the mid-to-late first round, then you'd be 2/3rds of the way done with the roster. Use the remaining capspace (if necessary) to fill in the gaps or pick up another strong player to fit a position and then start winning tons of basketball games.
Regardless of how it plays out, the future is incredibly bright for this team. I had a friend over for the Laker's game and mentioned prior to the game that the Kings should be sweeping the Lakers in about 3 year's time. He gave me a funny look, but began to concede the point as the game wore on.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
That's still ridiculously risky. You can't just gamble an asset of the size of a Top 10 pick in that way. Top 10 picks can net you franchise cornerstones, risking just giving one away is impossible.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Teams give up stuff of value for unprotected picks all the time. Hell hey'll give up stuff for FUTURE picks, which are far more uncertain still. With this one they are almsot guaranteed its Top 10.
I agree of course that the trick would be getting a team to trade for it as if its Top 5, which is may not be. But a guaranteed Top 10 pick is a very valuable commodity, expecially when combined wiht our cap space.
Big Cuz 15
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you'd have to be damn sure that player (randolph) is in the picture long term because that is a total waste imo. you give up a draft pick for a player you can sign outright this offseason anyway because they are an expiring. we do have the most capspace this offseason & could sign that player without giving anything up iirc.
if we sucked our way into the offseason
-we could fill a hole our lottery pick *score!*
-we sign randolph *score!* (if we wanted him)
if we traded our asset for randolph
-we lose the draft pick
-we resign him because we have his birdrights
we'd have to be sure this person we are trading for is the right one going forward.
I just don't see a lot out there that would be available and worth it.
Off the top of my head, Batum is one of the only guys who stands out that would might be available, with Portlands injury troubles with Roy and Oden, they may be willing to sacrifice a top shelf roleplayer for the chance at a star, but he's pretty good for them and they may opt to stay with a sure thing good player. He's exactly what we are looking for in a small forward but not so talented that it would be a sure thing from our side.
Iggy could probably be had but he's not the best shooter and may not be a great fit for the team, and he comes with a huge contract that the organization is shying away from until the new CBA comes out.
Both Harden and Turner may be out there if their teams are looking for basically a redo on those picks, but the only reason they could be had is that they have been disapointing so far. But they were both drafted high for a reason so maybe the change of scenery thing will work out.
Beaubois is intriguing because of the type of game he plays but I'm not sure if he's shown enough to warrant our pick and Cuban is in love with him so the Mavs might not even do that one.
Maybe Flynn and Brooks but I'd take my chances in the draft over either of them. For this team to take the next step they need guys who can play both sides of the ball.
We could get Rubio but we've passed on him once already and a guy who might not come to the NBA isn't a guy to give up a high pick for
Steph Curry, Jennings, Gallanari, Love, Eric Gordon, Holliday, Granger, Lopez, are all out of our price range.
Favors might be a possibility as a way for the Nets to try again for Carmelo, but really even that is a slim chance.
As far a vets go there really aren't many of the Ray Allen types available for a top 5 type pick. Most of the guys worth having are playing a big part of there teams, not really anybody out there stuck on a bad team that is looking to move on. Would be overpaying for a Gerald Wallace, Mo Williams, Ben Gordon, Jameer Nelson type guy, and all of that type bring a big salary with them.
If you're going to give up a pick like this, fit on the team is just as important as talent, and I just don't see anyone available for us with the fit and talent, save for possibly Batum, that would be worth at least giving the pick a shot. We can address those needs in free agency while keeping our pick, at least for the time being.
Off the top of my head, Batum is one of the only guys who stands out that would might be available, with Portlands injury troubles with Roy and Oden, they may be willing to sacrifice a top shelf roleplayer for the chance at a star, but he's pretty good for them and they may opt to stay with a sure thing good player. He's exactly what we are looking for in a small forward but not so talented that it would be a sure thing from our side.
Iggy could probably be had but he's not the best shooter and may not be a great fit for the team, and he comes with a huge contract that the organization is shying away from until the new CBA comes out.
Both Harden and Turner may be out there if their teams are looking for basically a redo on those picks, but the only reason they could be had is that they have been disapointing so far. But they were both drafted high for a reason so maybe the change of scenery thing will work out.
Beaubois is intriguing because of the type of game he plays but I'm not sure if he's shown enough to warrant our pick and Cuban is in love with him so the Mavs might not even do that one.
Maybe Flynn and Brooks but I'd take my chances in the draft over either of them. For this team to take the next step they need guys who can play both sides of the ball.
We could get Rubio but we've passed on him once already and a guy who might not come to the NBA isn't a guy to give up a high pick for
Steph Curry, Jennings, Gallanari, Love, Eric Gordon, Holliday, Granger, Lopez, are all out of our price range.
Favors might be a possibility as a way for the Nets to try again for Carmelo, but really even that is a slim chance.
As far a vets go there really aren't many of the Ray Allen types available for a top 5 type pick. Most of the guys worth having are playing a big part of there teams, not really anybody out there stuck on a bad team that is looking to move on. Would be overpaying for a Gerald Wallace, Mo Williams, Ben Gordon, Jameer Nelson type guy, and all of that type bring a big salary with them.
If you're going to give up a pick like this, fit on the team is just as important as talent, and I just don't see anyone available for us with the fit and talent, save for possibly Batum, that would be worth at least giving the pick a shot. We can address those needs in free agency while keeping our pick, at least for the time being.
ParniValjak
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I think Batum would be a great get for us (even taking into the account his inconsistent playing nature. One night he will drop 25 and the next he will have 2 points) and would be a perfect SF to play next to Cousins and Reke (effective without the ball, great deep shooter and great defensive potential) but thats precisely the reason why Portland would not trade him no matter what. They absolutely LOVE him and with good reason.
