What do we think of Petrie now?
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Hey Slim, your points are well taken, but how can you accurately judge a guy (Wells) who has never had the minutes in the first place? He's never had starters minutes (except that his *break out* year in Portland), so I think I'll wait to see how well he pans out after he gets 35-40 minutes a game.
I may be cautious about Wells like yourself, but I think we need to wait and see how he does with the starters minutes before saying the guy is overrated.
I may be cautious about Wells like yourself, but I think we need to wait and see how he does with the starters minutes before saying the guy is overrated.
i think petrie has done an above average job. while i am a fan of c-webb and everything he's done, if he were still here, we'd have to essentially pick up three training camp try-outs or equally minimal contracts to back up the C and SF spots (assuming that we would've had Darius to back up the PF). the trade allowed us to pick up three average to above average bench players, and the signing of SAR gives us an adequate replacement to webber.
so i think petrie has done okay.
also, i'm only comparing the current roster to the exact one we would've had had petrie not made any changes. i cannot compare it to what he could've done, because we don't know.
so i think petrie has done okay.
also, i'm only comparing the current roster to the exact one we would've had had petrie not made any changes. i cannot compare it to what he could've done, because we don't know.
Um, wow. Don't you think it might be prudent to see a few games with the new roster before putting Petrie's job in jeopardy? And even in the unlikely event that they're not that good, doesn't the last eight years show that the guy is pretty good at his job and shouldn't be kicked to the curb at the first sign of trouble?
I personally think Petrie should win a Nobel Prize.
I personally think Petrie should win a Nobel Prize.
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I think that one more trade will make Petrie an amazing GM. If he can trade 2 of our pick ups for a decent big man then I have absolutly no complaints and think he did an awesome job. This is kind of team I would love to see come the start of the season.
PG - Bibby, Hart, Price
SG - Bonzi, Martin, Garcia
SF - Peja, Barnes
PF - Shareef, KT
C - Miller, (Defensive big man), Sampson
Who? not totally sure and that is why I didn't post this in the trade thread
PG - Bibby, Hart, Price
SG - Bonzi, Martin, Garcia
SF - Peja, Barnes
PF - Shareef, KT
C - Miller, (Defensive big man), Sampson
Who? not totally sure and that is why I didn't post this in the trade thread
Well, he seems to be confident that were ok as we stand, so hes even bypassing Mo and Songalia and getting nothing for them. Even if we got a 2nd round pick from the Bulls I think we lose. I would rather get the exception so that we can throw it in to spice up some future deals we may have to pick up that elusive 6th man/bench big guy.
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Can't we have a happy medium in between nominations for sainthood and firing? I guess not in TDOS.
(As opposed to Saint Jean, the patron saint of that sinking feeling you get when your mediocre General Manager appoints himself head coach.)
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I think there is a strong possibility that people overestimate what Petrie can do. It seems to me that there is a segment of people who post on this board who simply are not going to be happy unless the Kings get a superior post defender/rebounder. However, that type of player is a rare commodity in the league. As much as Petrie has hoodwinked GM's in the past maybe they are catching on to his methods.
I'm probably in the minority who believed that just finding a team to accept Webber's contract was a stroke of genius. I would have been happy with a half full bottle of gatorade and a used Devo CD in return. The painful reality of bebuilding/reloading/deconstruction had to start somewhere. Next year at this time when Philly fans are throwing eggs at Billy King because Webb has missed his 7th game in a row Petrie may not be looking too bad.
I'm probably in the minority who believed that just finding a team to accept Webber's contract was a stroke of genius. I would have been happy with a half full bottle of gatorade and a used Devo CD in return. The painful reality of bebuilding/reloading/deconstruction had to start somewhere. Next year at this time when Philly fans are throwing eggs at Billy King because Webb has missed his 7th game in a row Petrie may not be looking too bad.
I'm probably in the minority who believed that just finding a team to accept Webber's contract was a stroke of genius. I would have been happy with a half full bottle of gatorade and a used Devo CD in return. The painful reality of bebuilding/reloading/deconstruction had to start somewhere. Next year at this time when Philly fans are throwing eggs at Billy King because Webb has missed his 7th game in a row Petrie may not be looking too bad.[/QUOTE]
Don't you think that's a little harsh? What did ever do to you?
A drink and cd for an All Star who was player of the month, the month before he was traded?
Don't you think that's a little harsh? What did ever do to you?
A drink and cd for an All Star who was player of the month, the month before he was traded?
What flipside is that? I don't think your arguments are self-evident.
Do the people who think the Webber trade didn't move the Kings forward think that Petrie could have gotten a better deal? Do they think that the Kings would have won a championship with Webber post-injury? Everyone keeps acting like the jury is still out on the trade, but no one is saying why.
Do the people who think the Webber trade didn't move the Kings forward think that Petrie could have gotten a better deal? Do they think that the Kings would have won a championship with Webber post-injury? Everyone keeps acting like the jury is still out on the trade, but no one is saying why.
Amory said:
I think that one more trade will make Petrie an amazing GM. If he can trade 2 of our pick ups for a decent big man then I have absolutly no complaints and think he did an awesome job. This is kind of team I would love to see come the start of the season.
PG - Bibby, Hart, Price
SG - Bonzi, Martin, Garcia
SF - Peja, Barnes
PF - Shareef, KT
C - Miller, (Defensive big man), Sampson
Who? not totally sure and that is why I didn't post this in the trade thread
PG - Bibby, Hart, Price
SG - Bonzi, Martin, Garcia
SF - Peja, Barnes
PF - Shareef, KT
C - Miller, (Defensive big man), Sampson
Who? not totally sure and that is why I didn't post this in the trade thread
Who? These guys come to mind: Elson/PJ Brown/Zendon Hamilton/Blount
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Knowing that we have gone round and round on this, I will not offer up much explaination.
1) 2001- we went to the conference finals. Since then we have been on a steady decline.
2) He got rid of Webber's contract but picked up three smaller contracts that total more then Webbers. Are we better without Chris, absolutely not.
3) He said he picked up these contracts to be able to be more flexable. He has not used a single one of these contracts to upgrade talent.
4) His solution: He picked up a career underacheiver and trouble maker in Wells. (while having two young gaurd on roster) He then picks up an undersized pf (sf) who is a career loser.
5) Now he has said he is done. Well, if this is it: He has allowed a contender to become a mediocre team with alot of long contracts. This is team will be as it is for a long time, especially if he signs Peja.
Im not being negative to be negative. I like the Hart trade. Brad Miller trade was good. I recognize what he did to get us to 2001 was great. But it is going 4 years now that this team has not improved. The league has become a more defensive league, and Petrie refuses to adjust.
1) 2001- we went to the conference finals. Since then we have been on a steady decline.
2) He got rid of Webber's contract but picked up three smaller contracts that total more then Webbers. Are we better without Chris, absolutely not.
3) He said he picked up these contracts to be able to be more flexable. He has not used a single one of these contracts to upgrade talent.
4) His solution: He picked up a career underacheiver and trouble maker in Wells. (while having two young gaurd on roster) He then picks up an undersized pf (sf) who is a career loser.
5) Now he has said he is done. Well, if this is it: He has allowed a contender to become a mediocre team with alot of long contracts. This is team will be as it is for a long time, especially if he signs Peja.
Im not being negative to be negative. I like the Hart trade. Brad Miller trade was good. I recognize what he did to get us to 2001 was great. But it is going 4 years now that this team has not improved. The league has become a more defensive league, and Petrie refuses to adjust.
A fan forum is the home of armchair GMing. If you do not like what is being said you can always choose to not write about. I like hearing what others say. Sometimes I figure that something was better then I thought (or worse). Other people's perspective on moves often help add things I had not thought of. For instance nbrans and I seem to disagree on everything, but I enjoy reading his/her generally more upbeat perspective on the moves that I have dissapproved of.
http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/basketball/kings/story/13469291p-14310176c.html
If he came out and said it, or basically said it, then I'd think he's done. He ain't done.
I just don't think he's gonna be doing totally nothing for the rest of off-season.. in general, not just from that above.
If he came out and said it, or basically said it, then I'd think he's done. He ain't done.
I just don't think he's gonna be doing totally nothing for the rest of off-season.. in general, not just from that above.
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Please read some of the previous threads again. It has been said over and over and over.
My brief synopsis:
1) Kings would have gone further and had a small but still better shot at winning a championship this past year.
2) After the 2006-2007 season (in two years) Webber and his contract would be a viable trading piece even if he could not play at all (see Terrell Brandon).
3) The Kings currently lack a leader. Maybe somebody will step up, but until it happens, they lack a leader. Webber was their leader. The current team is not set up to succeed in the playoffs.
4) The team with Webber was a lot closer to the mold of successful playoff teams. Maybe Petrie will make more moves to make the team better equipped for the postseason, but until that happens, they are worse off in that regard.
So, until we see how this season and next season transpire, and unless things change over that time, this trade did not help the team.
I see how the trade could end up helping the team, but I certainly don't see how it has.
My brief synopsis:
1) Kings would have gone further and had a small but still better shot at winning a championship this past year.
2) After the 2006-2007 season (in two years) Webber and his contract would be a viable trading piece even if he could not play at all (see Terrell Brandon).
3) The Kings currently lack a leader. Maybe somebody will step up, but until it happens, they lack a leader. Webber was their leader. The current team is not set up to succeed in the playoffs.
4) The team with Webber was a lot closer to the mold of successful playoff teams. Maybe Petrie will make more moves to make the team better equipped for the postseason, but until that happens, they are worse off in that regard.
So, until we see how this season and next season transpire, and unless things change over that time, this trade did not help the team.
I see how the trade could end up helping the team, but I certainly don't see how it has.
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2) i think we have more depth. essentially got 3 useful guys for 2 (webber and barnes). all younger than webber, all less injury prone. now, you can say that their talent combined will never equal webber's, but webber is not getting any younger and his knee is still a big concern. (last season, he was usually out of any back-to-backs)
3) he didn't exactly give a timetable on that flexibility, did he? if it helps us down the road, then so be it.
3) he didn't exactly give a timetable on that flexibility, did he? if it helps us down the road, then so be it.
The problem with the Terrell Brandon analogy is that he was making 50% of what Webber is currently making.
I've said this before but in my mind the Kings had to believe that based on all the available medical data that Webber stood a strong chance of missing a sginificant number of games in the next two seasons. Maybe they were wrong but only time will tell.
I've said this before but in my mind the Kings had to believe that based on all the available medical data that Webber stood a strong chance of missing a sginificant number of games in the next two seasons. Maybe they were wrong but only time will tell.