What do we think of Petrie now?

[bigbadred00]

Bonzi in Memphis was tough (I live in Memphis), the team doesn't fit his needs, and they had Shane and Mike Miller essentially in front of him for time.

 

[209KingsFan]

Because he hasn't. Wells has never played significant minutes on a high-quality team. And the one year in Portland that he did legitimately put up good numbers, the Trailblazers were swept in the first round, so he obviously didn't make that big an impact... Wells hasn't proven anything; I fail to see what makes Wells holding down the bench on a good team qualitatively better than Mobley getting minutes on a poor team.

First of all, Mobley made the playoffs twice in Houston.

Secondly, both you and bigbadred00 have me all wrong; I don't like Mobley OR Wells, so for the two of you to defend signing Wells as if I'm trying to make the case that we should have kept Mobley makes no sense to me... I'm mostly just perturbed by the perception by a vocal minority of people who seem to think that Wells is "definintely" the missing piece, and he's just not that good. And nothing that he's done in his NBA career justifies the belief that he's ever going to be that good... He might become a star level player, and he might not. Like I said before, he might be the next Chauncey Billups, and he might be the next Isaiah Rider.

People around here are trying to make this signing more than it actually is; Wells doesn't exactly have the reputation of a lockdown defender, and Mobley's a porous defender in the first place, so for people to gas this guy up by saying that he's a defensive upgrade over Mobley is a little meaningless to me. I mean, we could sign a folding chair as a defensive upgrade over Bibby, but that's not going to make signing the chair a great acquisition.



Cliff notes: Both these guys are overrated, and I'm not feeling the excitement over getting rid of one overrated SG in favor of another overrated SG.

Hey Slim, your points are well taken, but how can you accurately judge a guy (Wells) who has never had the minutes in the first place? He's never had starters minutes (except that his *break out* year in Portland), so I think I'll wait to see how well he pans out after he gets 35-40 minutes a game.

I may be cautious about Wells like yourself, but I think we need to wait and see how he does with the starters minutes before saying the guy is overrated.

 

[BibityBobtyBoom]

he gone be good

 

[Yoda]

Bringing this old thread up, again.

If this is Petrie's final product after trading Webb for pieces (all indications seems to say that), I re-ask the question what do you think of Petrie now?

I think this last year's moves should seriously put his job in jeopardy.

 

[Jerryaki]

Bringing this old thread up, again.

If this is Petrie's final product after trading Webb for pieces (all indications seems to say that), I re-ask the question what do you think of Petrie now?

I think this last year's moves should seriously put his job in jeopardy.

i think petrie has done an above average job. while i am a fan of c-webb and everything he's done, if he were still here, we'd have to essentially pick up three training camp try-outs or equally minimal contracts to back up the C and SF spots (assuming that we would've had Darius to back up the PF). the trade allowed us to pick up three average to above average bench players, and the signing of SAR gives us an adequate replacement to webber.

so i think petrie has done okay.

also, i'm only comparing the current roster to the exact one we would've had had petrie not made any changes. i cannot compare it to what he could've done, because we don't know.

 

[nbrans]

Bringing this old thread up, again.

If this is Petrie's final product after trading Webb for pieces (all indications seems to say that), I re-ask the question what do you think of Petrie now?

I think this last year's moves should seriously put his job in jeopardy.

Um, wow. Don't you think it might be prudent to see a few games with the new roster before putting Petrie's job in jeopardy? And even in the unlikely event that they're not that good, doesn't the last eight years show that the guy is pretty good at his job and shouldn't be kicked to the curb at the first sign of trouble?

I personally think Petrie should win a Nobel Prize.

 

[Amory]

I think that one more trade will make Petrie an amazing GM. If he can trade 2 of our pick ups for a decent big man then I have absolutly no complaints and think he did an awesome job. This is kind of team I would love to see come the start of the season.

PG - Bibby, Hart, Price
SG - Bonzi, Martin, Garcia
SF - Peja, Barnes
PF - Shareef, KT
C - Miller, (Defensive big man), Sampson

Who? not totally sure and that is why I didn't post this in the trade thread

 

[PFFFT!!]

Well, he seems to be confident that were ok as we stand, so hes even bypassing Mo and Songalia and getting nothing for them. Even if we got a 2nd round pick from the Bulls I think we lose. I would rather get the exception so that we can throw it in to spice up some future deals we may have to pick up that elusive 6th man/bench big guy.

 

[loopymitch]

I'm not ready to give him the key to the city yet, let alone a Nobel prize. I'm really hoping he's got more plans for us in the next 7 weeks before the preseason starts. After that I'll make my decisiion.

 

[Yoda]

I personally think Petrie should win a Nobel Prize.

If this is Nobel prize work.....

 

[nbrans]

If this is Nobel prize work.....

Of course I'm exaggerating about the Nobel Prize (really, President of the United States is much more suitable), but maybe you could elaborate on why the moves thus far are a firing offense? It seems like quite a statement to make without explaining yourself.

 

[loopymitch]

Can't we have a happy medium in between nominations for sainthood and firing? I guess not in TDOS.

 

[nbrans]

Can't we have a happy medium in between nominations for sainthood and firing? I guess not in TDOS.

Hmmm, Saint Petrie, the patron saint of General Managers. I like the sound of that!!

(As opposed to Saint Jean, the patron saint of that sinking feeling you get when your mediocre General Manager appoints himself head coach.)

 

[G_M]

If this is Nobel prize work.....

I think there is a strong possibility that people overestimate what Petrie can do. It seems to me that there is a segment of people who post on this board who simply are not going to be happy unless the Kings get a superior post defender/rebounder. However, that type of player is a rare commodity in the league. As much as Petrie has hoodwinked GM's in the past maybe they are catching on to his methods.

I'm probably in the minority who believed that just finding a team to accept Webber's contract was a stroke of genius. I would have been happy with a half full bottle of gatorade and a used Devo CD in return. The painful reality of bebuilding/reloading/deconstruction had to start somewhere. Next year at this time when Philly fans are throwing eggs at Billy King because Webb has missed his 7th game in a row Petrie may not be looking too bad.

 

[Padrino]

Next year at this time when Philly fans are throwing eggs at Billy King because Webb has missed his 7th game in a row Petrie may not be looking too bad.

there's a flipside to that coin that must be considered as well.

 

[loopymitch]

I'm probably in the minority who believed that just finding a team to accept Webber's contract was a stroke of genius. I would have been happy with a half full bottle of gatorade and a used Devo CD in return. The painful reality of bebuilding/reloading/deconstruction had to start somewhere. Next year at this time when Philly fans are throwing eggs at Billy King because Webb has missed his 7th game in a row Petrie may not be looking too bad.[/QUOTE]
Don't you think that's a little harsh? What did ever do to you?
A drink and cd for an All Star who was player of the month, the month before he was traded?

 

[nbrans]

there's a flipside to that coin that must be considered as well.

What flipside is that? I don't think your arguments are self-evident.

Do the people who think the Webber trade didn't move the Kings forward think that Petrie could have gotten a better deal? Do they think that the Kings would have won a championship with Webber post-injury? Everyone keeps acting like the jury is still out on the trade, but no one is saying why.

 

[Kings113]

I think that one more trade will make Petrie an amazing GM. If he can trade 2 of our pick ups for a decent big man then I have absolutly no complaints and think he did an awesome job. This is kind of team I would love to see come the start of the season.

PG - Bibby, Hart, Price
SG - Bonzi, Martin, Garcia
SF - Peja, Barnes
PF - Shareef, KT
C - Miller, (Defensive big man), Sampson

Who? not totally sure and that is why I didn't post this in the trade thread

Absolutely agreed.

Who? These guys come to mind: Elson/PJ Brown/Zendon Hamilton/Blount

 

[Yoda]

Of course I'm exaggerating about the Nobel Prize (really, President of the United States is much more suitable), but maybe you could elaborate on why the moves thus far are a firing offense? It seems like quite a statement to make without explaining yourself.

Knowing that we have gone round and round on this, I will not offer up much explaination.

1) 2001- we went to the conference finals. Since then we have been on a steady decline.

2) He got rid of Webber's contract but picked up three smaller contracts that total more then Webbers. Are we better without Chris, absolutely not.

3) He said he picked up these contracts to be able to be more flexable. He has not used a single one of these contracts to upgrade talent.

4) His solution: He picked up a career underacheiver and trouble maker in Wells. (while having two young gaurd on roster) He then picks up an undersized pf (sf) who is a career loser.

5) Now he has said he is done. Well, if this is it: He has allowed a contender to become a mediocre team with alot of long contracts. This is team will be as it is for a long time, especially if he signs Peja.

Im not being negative to be negative. I like the Hart trade. Brad Miller trade was good. I recognize what he did to get us to 2001 was great. But it is going 4 years now that this team has not improved. The league has become a more defensive league, and Petrie refuses to adjust.

 

[Yoda]

What flipside is that? I don't think your arguments are self-evident.

Do the people who think the Webber trade didn't move the Kings forward think that Petrie could have gotten a better deal?

So far, Webb is healthy and we are worse. (and pay more)

 

[thesanityannex]

C-Webb is gone people. Get over it. He was moved at the time Petrie felt was necessary. Please, no more armchair GM rants, we are fans, Petrie is the man.

 

[Yoda]

I think that one more trade will make Petrie an amazing GM.

Problem is, and this is why I brought it up again. He has said he is done.

 

[Yoda]

C-Webb is gone people. Get over it. He was moved at the time Petrie felt was necessary. Please, no more armchair GM rants, we are fans, Petrie is the man.

A fan forum is the home of armchair GMing. If you do not like what is being said you can always choose to not write about. I like hearing what others say. Sometimes I figure that something was better then I thought (or worse). Other people's perspective on moves often help add things I had not thought of. For instance nbrans and I seem to disagree on everything, but I enjoy reading his/her generally more upbeat perspective on the moves that I have dissapproved of.

 

[Kings113]

"We don't have any rights of any kind," said Petrie, who had not yet received the offer sheet but knew it was on its way. "It's unlikely that we would do it anyway at this point with the way our roster is."

Which is to say Petrie likes the Kings' roster as is, although it's not quite complete yet. Under the new collective bargaining agreement, teams must have at least 13 players (12 active, one inactive) and can have as many as 15 under certain circumstances.

According to Petrie, the Abdur-Rahim signing put the Kings' budgeted payroll for 13 players over the salary cap - including a slot for one who has yet to be signed. Considering co-owners Joe and Gavin Maloof have made their desire to avoid luxury tax spending clear, the next addition will be the last and, most likely, not one of major consequence. Barring a trade, the new-look Kings are virtually in place.

"It's unlikely that we would keep a 14th or 15th guy that we would pay tax on," Petrie said. "There's still a lot of players out there. There'll be a lot of players in training camp who will be waived, and there will still be players available then. But the roster we have at the moment, the way it's comprised, are the guys who will play all the minutes.

"It's unpredictable. Sitting where I'm sitting today, I don't think I feel any rush to fill (the 13th spot), but that could change tomorrow."

On paper, the likely starting five of Mike Bibby, Bonzi Wells, Peja Stojakovic, Abdur-Rahim and Brad Miller is among the league's best, with six new additions since the Kings' five-game loss to Seattle in the first round of the playoffs. Aside from signing lucky No. 13, the last bit of business is the future of restricted free agent Darius Songaila. The forward is being pursued by Chicago and Denver, with his return via a straight-up signing unlikely but a sign-and-trade with another team always possible.

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/basketball/kings/story/13469291p-14310176c.html

If he came out and said it, or basically said it, then I'd think he's done. He ain't done.

I just don't think he's gonna be doing totally nothing for the rest of off-season.. in general, not just from that above.

 

[thesanityannex]

A fan forum is the home of armchair GMing. If you do not like what is being said you can always choose to not write about. I like hearing what others say. Sometimes I figure that something was better then I thought (or worse). Other people's perspective on moves often help add things I had not thought of. For instance nbrans and I seem to disagree on everything, but I enjoy reading his/her generally more upbeat perspective on the moves that I have dissapproved of.

I was referring more to the Webber trade. I as well love to read peoples rants. I just really tired of the C-Webb talk. I hate living in the past like some of my Laker friends do.

 

[uolj]

Do the people who think the Webber trade didn't move the Kings forward think that Petrie could have gotten a better deal? Do they think that the Kings would have won a championship with Webber post-injury? Everyone keeps acting like the jury is still out on the trade, but no one is saying why.

Please read some of the previous threads again. It has been said over and over and over.

My brief synopsis:

1) Kings would have gone further and had a small but still better shot at winning a championship this past year.

2) After the 2006-2007 season (in two years) Webber and his contract would be a viable trading piece even if he could not play at all (see Terrell Brandon).

3) The Kings currently lack a leader. Maybe somebody will step up, but until it happens, they lack a leader. Webber was their leader. The current team is not set up to succeed in the playoffs.

4) The team with Webber was a lot closer to the mold of successful playoff teams. Maybe Petrie will make more moves to make the team better equipped for the postseason, but until that happens, they are worse off in that regard.

So, until we see how this season and next season transpire, and unless things change over that time, this trade did not help the team.

I see how the trade could end up helping the team, but I certainly don't see how it has.

 

[Jerryaki]

2) He got rid of Webber's contract but picked up three smaller contracts that total more then Webbers. Are we better without Chris, absolutely not.

3) He said he picked up these contracts to be able to be more flexable. He has not used a single one of these contracts to upgrade talent.

2) i think we have more depth. essentially got 3 useful guys for 2 (webber and barnes). all younger than webber, all less injury prone. now, you can say that their talent combined will never equal webber's, but webber is not getting any younger and his knee is still a big concern. (last season, he was usually out of any back-to-backs)

3) he didn't exactly give a timetable on that flexibility, did he? if it helps us down the road, then so be it.

 

[G_M]

My brief synopsis: Kings would have gone further and had a small but still better shot at winning a championship this past year. After the 2006-2007 season (in two years) Webber and his contract would be a viable trading piece even if he could not play at all (see Terrell Brandon). The Kings currently lack a leader. Maybe somebody will step up, but until it happens, they lack a leader. Webber was their leader. The current team is not set up to succeed in the playoffs. The team with Webber was a lot closer to the mold of successful playoff teams.

The problem with the Terrell Brandon analogy is that he was making 50% of what Webber is currently making.

I've said this before but in my mind the Kings had to believe that based on all the available medical data that Webber stood a strong chance of missing a sginificant number of games in the next two seasons. Maybe they were wrong but only time will tell.

 

[loopymitch]

If we traded players just because of injuries, we'd never have anyone on the team. Are we better now than we were this time last year, I don't think so but I may change my mind when the season starts.

 

[sameolzeal]

I love GP as our GM, i would hate to loose him for any reason...its hard to find a GM who knows what hes doing, its all the difference. Look at the Cav's, they got retarded by thier GM last season. So by comparison, i think petrie is a decent man at the helm.