What do we think about Amare Stoudemire?

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I was a proponent of a Martin+Miller for Amare trade about three years back. He's been playing incredible basketball for the past couple months or so, but has apparently had some run-ins with management in Phoenix. Plus you have his injury history, and the fact that he's only playing incredible basketball in his contract year (not that he's never shown that he could be a dominant player before; he totally outplayed Tim Duncan a few years ago in the playoffs, and has been one of the best bigs in the league since forever ago).

There's obviously issues/concerns about Stoudemire. I don't think he can be the #1 guy on a contender, but I do think that, assuming Reke's midrange jumper grows in, those two could play incredibly well off of each other. Add in another top five pick, and we could be a playoff team next season.

Then there's the question of whether we could even sign him. We have the cap space for a max contract, but a) do you want to use it on Amare; b) would he come to Sacramento for less than he could get from Phoenix, or in a sign and trade; and c) if you had to sign and trade to get him, would you want to give up one or two of your young players + a pick + the long term max contract?

I don't know. Been wondering about this and wanted to bounce it off of fellow Kings fans. This is also assuming he opts out of his contract, which is still unclear at this point whether he would or not. And we also might have a lockout coming with a significantly altered CBA on the other side of it.

Best case Amare-scenario for the Kings would be an outright signing, probably five years, $105 million or so. Then we could start Amare and Thompson, put Landry back in the 6th man role that he's best in, let's Hawes figure out if he wants to be in the NBA or not, we'd have Green/Casspi/Rodriguez at the three, Beno/Reke/draft pick at the 1/2. That's a much better team, but is it worth the max contract for Amare?
 
Best case Amare-scenario for the Kings would be an outright signing, probably five years, $105 million or so. Then we could start Amare and Thompson, put Landry back in the 6th man role that he's best in, let's Hawes figure out if he wants to be in the NBA or not, we'd have Green/Casspi/Rodriguez at the three, Beno/Reke/draft pick at the 1/2. That's a much better team, but is it worth the max contract for Amare?

Wayyyy too much money. That contract is more painful than C-Webb's.
 
I like Amare on offense, hate him on defense. Not sure if he is worth a max contract a year before they renegotiate the CBA. He is also somewhat injury prone.

Given the salary cap will be highr than expected, I would consider throwing a max contract at Amare, if we draft Cousins. If you go after Amare, you can't have Spencer starting next to him. You need a physical center that will rebound and block/alter shots if you're going to have success with Amare at pf.

But I don't see a chance in hell of it happening. My guess is he ends up going to either Chicago or Miami, or stays in Pho.
 
$21 million a year? Jeez I don't think I'd do it for $13 or $14 million a year.

He's on the books for $17 million next season, if he doesn't opt out. Figure he's looking for a max contract, which would be somewhere in the $100 million range over five years.
 
he's trippin if he thinks someone is gonna give him that much

Rashard Lewis, six years, $110 million
Michael Redd, six years, $91 million
Andrei Kirilenko, six years, $86 million
Elton Brand, six years, $82 million

Stranger things have happened. With all the money that teams have cleared off their books for this offseason, it would be no surprise to me if Amare a) opts out, and b) gets a max deal in the $100 million range.
 
All those guys are overpaid with very little production. I get your point though that someone is gonna overpay for his services but I just don't wanna pay him that much. And I'm one who'd want him here.
 
Amare alone won't get it done in Sac IMO. I would be willing to break the bank on him however IF 1. There is enough cash left over to sign someone who can hit a wide open jump shot and 2. We have a good draft this year. Obviously we number 2 can't really be decided until the season starts next year, but I'm confident that Wall and Turner will be pretty good. If we can get 1 of those two we have to try our luck at Amare. The fact is that big men like him just don't come around too often and if he is thinking about Sac as a possible home at all, we better take advantage of it while he is interested. Basically what I'm saying is that unless we have a better shot at aquiring a young star big, 2nd tier or 1st tier star, we have to go for it with the core that we are building.

Of course this is based on the crazy assumption that Amare would ever consider coming to Sac. Money does talk, but my hope that a player like him would come here because he wants to be part of winning in the future, not just a huge paycheck.
 
Well, he is still young. It's a little unfair to only point out the negative with any player, but it just so happens that the skills Amare is lacking -- defense and rebounding -- are where we need the most help. So if Amare is the big splash in free agency then we'll need to find a defensive big man to pair with him. Which is easier said than done obviously. I don't think it's a smart investment to make unless you've already got that defensive big taken care of. That's a lot of money to put down to maybe make yourself a perennial "also ran". I'd prefer we either (a) get our potential all-star big in the draft and keep developing young talent, staying the course (b) get Turner or Wall and start looking for ways to sure up our interior defense through free agency or trades.
 
I'm not a big fan of Stoudemire. He puts of big offensive numbers, but plays very little defense. I also wonder how well he will fare without Nash getting him a lot of easy baskets. His offense relies heavily on his athleticism and getting set up by Nash (also a lot of put-backs). His outside shot has improved a lot since he came into the league, but his post game is still very poor IMO. I just keep seeing a player that won't be very effective once he starts losing some of his athleticism.
 
I'm not a big fan of Stoudemire. He puts of big offensive numbers, but plays very little defense. I also wonder how well he will fare without Nash getting him a lot of easy baskets. His offense relies heavily on his athleticism and getting set up by Nash (also a lot of put-backs). His outside shot has improved a lot since he came into the league, but his post game is still very poor IMO. I just keep seeing a player that won't be very effective once he starts losing some of his athleticism.

yeah thats what i'm thinking.. nash gets him alot of easy buckets. i dont know if reke can do the same for him
 
I like his athletic ability and his size, but he is going to cost a lot. Cost benefit analysis on Amare is on the negative side of things because Amare ALONE isn't going to propel us into the WCF. He might not even get us more wins than we would without him because he demands the ball. Lets get that 1st overall pick, and let the team sell its self to potential free agents. If we have Wall and Evans, averaging 7 and 8 assists per game, big men who are looking to pad their resume will be clamoring for a chance to play here.
 
he's trippin if he thinks someone is gonna give him that much
You do realize how many teams can give out max money, don't you? If the knicks can not get Bosh they will be getting Amare for max, same goes for all those other teams that can give out max.
 
I'll know that the TDOS is over when I see fewer threads discussing the acquisition of players who are...

too expensive
too injury prone
can't defend
and/or over the hill.

Amare's only 3 out of 4, but he'd still be tied with Udrih for oldest starter.

I'm not excited.
 
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