Well... Bye.

[Merdiesel]

As Kings fans, we have been through a hell of a lot more than what has happened this week. I can totally accept people being not just disappointed in the handling of this firing, but down right mad. I know I was. The one thing I do have a problem with is the empty threats from folks threatening to bail. If you can really imagine throwing on another teams colors on and essentially rooting against the Sacramento Kings then please hustle up and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

To those of us staying the course...
This is your team. It didn't belong to the Maloofs and it doesn't belong to Vivek.

Cousins isn't going anywhere.
Our team isn't going anywhere.
Our new state of the art arena is around the corner.

Take a deep breath and endure. Our time is coming Kings fans.

 

[GQ_Gabriel]

I'm just happy that we have a team to root for. Let's go KINGS!

 

[Sam0ah]

Seriously, the negativity around here is nuts lately. Go Kings!

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

As Kings fans, we have been through a hell of a lot more than what has happened this week. I can totally accept people being not just disappointed in the handling of this firing, but down right mad. I know I was. The one thing I do have a problem with is the empty threats from folks threatening to bail. If you can really imagine throwing on another teams colors on and essentially rooting against the Sacramento Kings then please hustle up and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I won't comment on the rest of your OP, but I will make a point of order about the bolded portion above: We're not all from Northern California; for some of us, the Kings are the 'other team'.

Now, not concerning your post, but addressing other people complaining about people being 'too negative', pucker up, because we're not going anywhere, either. Whether you (royal you) like it or not, some of us don't think that Ranadive is entitled to a lifetime free pass for keeping the Kings in Sacramento. This was a questionable move, and we have the right to question it. If you don't like the way we're doing the questioning, well, rules aren't being broken, so deal with it.

 

[Merdiesel]

I won't comment on the rest of your OP, but I will make a point of order about the bolded portion above: We're not all from Northern California; for some of us, the Kings are the 'other team'.

Now, not concerning your post, but addressing other people complaining about people being 'too negative', pucker up, because we're not going anywhere, either. Whether you (royal you) like it or not, some of us don't think that Ranadive is entitled to a lifetime free pass for keeping the Kings in Sacramento. This was a questionable move, and we have the right to question it. If you don't like the way we're doing the questioning, well, rules aren't being broken, so deal with it.

I'm in no way saying keep your head down drink whatever bull**** cool-aid Vivek and Co are pouring. This was a terrible move that has made our franchise look like a bunch of classless ***holes. I totally agree, it makes me sick. This is the most competitive our team has been in 10 years and we just fired our first good coach since Adelman for what? Personal reasons?! It's a joke. But in no way am I going to let this sway the way I feel about me team. I'm strictly talking about people jumping ship, not peoples opinions.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Which is why I went out of my way to specify that I wasn't addressing you directly, but rather the people who popped in right after you, and ignored what you actually had to say in order to, ironically enough, complain about complaining. As well as those who have posted in multiple threads across the Kings Rap forum to do the same thing.

For the record, I think that all the people threatening to leave are full of ****, and not even worth a 'C Ya!' reaction. Those people are all talk, and not worth your annoyance.

 

[funkykingston]

I am a Kings fan. Short of the team leaving (and I am indeed incredibly grateful for everyone who worked/sacrificed/spent to keep them here) I won't be rooting for another team.

But if this is yet another classic Kings screwup that sets the franchise back again and Cousins moves on I'll have to say enough is enough. Maybe there's nothing this team can do that would make you stop being a fan. I get that. I used to feel that way myself. But these days my wife wonders why I invest so much energy in the Kings when they make me angry, frustrated or both much more often than they bring something positive to my life.

Unfortunately I think the fact that we are so supportive as a fan base has somehow made it okay for every regime to fail horribly because we'll still come out to support our team.

And I was prepared to be patient this season. It was the fact that Malone DID have this team overachieving that makes this flabbergasting. Something was being built and the ownership and front office was mad that it wasn't happening exactly the way they wanted. Or delusional because they think they have assembled a more talented roster than they have. This flawed and unbalanced roster was playing about as well as anyone with any basketball acumen could have possibly expected under Malone.

And now?

What is the plan? I don't see this team even playing to the same level, let alone making the playoffs as Ranadive apparently now expects. What possible rationale even existed for firing Malone 24 games in?

"Our team isn't going anywhere". That can have two meanings. I'm glad one of them is true. And I'm sure as hell hoping the other isn't.

Because if this regime can be stupid enough to alienate a 30 year fan of the team then they don't deserve my money or my time.

 

[SacKings384]

I am a Kings fan, and have been for quite sometime now, despite living in Southern California. You have no idea how many people rag on me for liking the Kings (in a fun banter type way) and I stuck through it because I liked the franchise and they were my team that I chose. Unlike a lot of fans here I am not attached to Sacramento as a city, and strictly choose the Kings because I liked them as a franchise and chose to stick with them even through these tough years.

Just because Vivek kept the team in Sacramento (to me) buys him nothing. I get that it would give most Sacramento fans a reason to give him the benefit of the doubt. It does not give me any reason to like him more. So when he makes the organization look stupid on a national stage, I get pretty upset. I get pretty upset when I think he could be wasting the years of one of the best big men in the league who could be a hall of famer. I am giving the team the benefit of the doubt because I like the Kings, and want them to succeed. Doesn't mean I can't complain about essentially giving up on an entire season because they don't have the proper plans in place.

 

[NowImLost]

This is your team. It didn't belong to the Maloofs and it doesn't belong to Vivek.

I know you know this, as everyone else, but the team did belong to the Maloofs, now it belongs to Vivek and the rest of the shareholders.
Just to put that out there.

 

[KingsFanGER]

Well obviously i m not a local guy, but i was happy, that the team stayed in Sacramento and we finally got a new owner. What i don't understand is, that some people continue to state, that we all should be thankful, that we still have a team in SAC and therefore shouldn't criticize the moves the new management and ownership makes. Vivek isn't some kind of social hero. He bought the Kings out of a business interest. Why should I treat him like a good samaritan, that is beyond criticism?
If i think, that his moves were flat out wrong lately, i will speak my mind. After all i m a fan of this team for more than a decade.
I finally want to see some successful basketball again.

 

[Warhawk]

I figure if I made it through the way Rick was let go and the "glory years" team slowly traded away, etc., into oblivion, I can handle this until I see what comes out as far as a new coach and any more trades, etc.

Was Malone the best coach ever? No. But he did get the team to quit fighting amongst themselves, believe they could win, overachieve their talent level while DMC was healthy, and help DMC mature into a more productive player and leader. That is a heck of a lot of good mixed in with the little bit of bad with rotations, etc., that we complain about. VERY disappointed he's gone and the manner in which it was done.

But, if it nets us a George Carl and repeated PO appearances starting next year (±?), that will ease (not erase) the disappointment of Malone leaving. Not the manner in which it was done though. And I would rather Malone have taken some lumps and learned on the fly with the Kings and hopefully get to the PO that way. And it seemed that as long as Cousins was healthy that was the direction we were in.

 

[206Fan]

I think we should all take a step back from that ledge.

Everyone including the Kings, got a little too excited for that 5-1 start. It looked like it would be a new phase for our team, and winning would start happening. We've had a lot of setbacks since that 5-1 start. Total of 13 games without a full healthy roster.
Malone along with Cousins, gave us hope for better things to come. I think the FO made a stupid decision not to fire Malone in the off season. I understand that team wants a different philosophy, but we don't know where the kings FO wants to head.

This is like the Jim Harbaugh thing, except it's not ugly. The FO and Coach have different ideas and directions about the team. If Malone wasn't on par with everyone else, then it's ok for the FO to go and look for another option that shares their vision.

I don't think anyone thought our current roster would be as settle as it right now by the end of the season. It means we aren't done yet. Pete is still in the process of building this team.

Don't quit on this team. There are a lot of better coaches out there. Don't be fair-weather fans. Let's all just wait and see what happens next.

Hopefully the FO can prove everyone wrong AGAIN. The world raised their eyebrows when we gave a max contract to DeMarcus Cousins. They laughed at us when we traded for Rudy Gay. They yelped for us when we signed Darren Collison. They cursed at us when we didn't want Isaiah Thomas back. They predicted we'd barely reach 25wins...1/4 into the season, we already have 11.

This FO will continue to prove everyone wrong. Just be patient all. There is a plan!

 

[VF21]

I won't comment on the rest of your OP, but I will make a point of order about the bolded portion above: We're not all from Northern California; for some of us, the Kings are the 'other team'.

Now, not concerning your post, but addressing other people complaining about people being 'too negative', pucker up, because we're not going anywhere, either. Whether you (royal you) like it or not, some of us don't think that Ranadive is entitled to a lifetime free pass for keeping the Kings in Sacramento. This was a questionable move, and we have the right to question it. If you don't like the way we're doing the questioning, well, rules aren't being broken, so deal with it.

Just remember - there are two sides to every argument. Your being frustrated and telling positive people to "pucker up" because they don't like the negativity is no different than me trying to tell the negative people to "take it down a notch."

Tempers and emotions are running high on both sides of all of this. I think perhaps the main reason is some of us thought the turmoil would end once Vivek bought the team, the arena deal was finalized and we had Cousins locked in to an extension. But nooooooooooo...we should have all known better.

Nothing comes easy to Kings fans. Never has, and never will. But I would like to see us endure all of this without constantly being at each other's throat.

We have just as much right to be hopeful and positive as you do to be negative and contentious, so deal with that.

 

[rainmaker]

This FO will continue to prove everyone wrong. Just be patient all. There is a plan!

What does there's "a plan" even mean? It's becoming the most shallow and misused term around here.

A plan? It's completely unspecific. Anything can pretty much fall under the umbrella of being called a plan if one tries hard enough. Not having a plan can technically be a plan.

The Spurs have a plan. So does Philly. As does Minn. There's a gulf between the execution of their plans. A plan can succeed glamorously or fail miserably, or have an infinite number of other outcomes. But people saying "there's a plan" are grasping at straws. There's no substance to that argument. It's the execution of the plan which matters. It's the understanding of the environment in which you operate which weighs heavily into how well said plan will be executed. A plan can have every possible outcome planned for, or a plan can be incredibly elementary and blow up in your face at the first, second or third hurdle.

Small businesses with "plans" go under all the time.

 

[funkykingston]

I think we should all take a step back from that ledge.

Everyone including the Kings, got a little too excited for that 5-1 start. It looked like it would be a new phase for our team, and winning would start happening. We've had a lot of setbacks since that 5-1 start. Total of 13 games without a full healthy roster.

5-1 against the Warriors, Blazers, Clippers, Nuggets, and Suns. Just six games of course. But then they were 9-6 after 15 games before losing Cousins. That would have put them on pace for their best record in a decade. And that was with a brutal opening schedule that was poised to get easier right when Cousins started missing games. I don't think those first 15 games were a fluke. And according to what I'm reading THAT was when Pete and Mully started begging Vivek to fire the guy.

But even beyond that, at the time Malone was fired the team was STILL on pace to win 10 more games than last year after going 2-7 without Boogie. That's not a setback. That's improvement however you slice it. What was the Kings record last year after 5, 15 and 24 games?

This FO will continue to prove everyone wrong. Just be patient all. There is a plan!

I'd be happy to be wrong because that would mean my team is doing better than I expected. But right now being wrong means believing that the man with the plan is Pete D'Allesandro. I hated a LOT of his moves last year. And right now he's burnt up the little bit of good will that he'd earned with the good moves he has made.

 

[206Fan]

What does there's "a plan" even mean? It's becoming the most shallow and misused term around here.

A plan? It's completely unspecific. Anything can pretty much fall under the umbrella of being called a plan if one tries hard enough. Not having a plan can technically be a plan.

The Spurs have a plan. So does Philly. As does Minn. There's a gulf between the execution of their plans. A plan can succeed glamorously or fail miserably, or have an infinite number of other outcomes. But people saying "there's a plan" are grasping at straws. There's no substance to that argument. It's the execution of the plan which matters. It's the understanding of the environment in which you operate which weighs heavily into how well said plan will be executed. A plan can have every possible outcome planned for, or a plan can be incredibly elementary and blow up in your face at the first, second or third hurdle.

Small businesses with "plans" go under all the time.

But people believe that there is no plan in set. People believe that we have a monkey as an owner, a puppet as a general manager, and random sets of former soccer players as their consultants. These are not the cases at all.

People have lost optimism in our team because they believe that there is no "plan". If you'd like, all these threads have talked about how Pete doesn't know what he's doing. Or that Pete is just tossing things together and picking a name out of the hat. The word plan is so vague just like everything else. But people have to remember that there is a plan set in place. We as fans do not know what the plan is, but we are all rushing into harsh judgement about what's happened thus far.

The plan is not done yet... we've only played about 1/4 of basketball with plenty to go. No elite team in the NBA was built overnight if that's what we all expected. There's a process through this all. This is a revamped franchise.

Question his plan if you'd like, but it's not done yet. As fans, we're just waiting right now.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Just remember - there are two sides to every argument. Your being frustrated and telling positive people to "pucker up" because they don't like the negativity is no different than me trying to tell the negative people to "take it down a notch."

I am quite mindful of that, indeed, and I see where you're coming from. My push back on that would be to say that the negative posters aren't going around telling the positive posters that they need to quit being positive, because it's ruining their message board experience.

 

[kingsboi]

We are thankful that we have a team...now that we do it's time to expect more than what we have seen over the past 8 years considering we have a franchise player finally.

 

[KingsFanGER]

But people believe that there is no plan in set. People believe that we have a monkey as an owner, a puppet as a general manager, and random sets of former soccer players as their consultants. These are not the cases at all.

People have lost optimism in our team because they believe that there is no "plan". If you'd like, all these threads have talked about how Pete doesn't know what he's doing. Or that Pete is just tossing things together and picking a name out of the hat. The word plan is so vague just like everything else. But people have to remember that there is a plan set in place. We as fans do not know what the plan is, but we are all rushing into harsh judgement about what's happened thus far.

The plan is not done yet... we've only played about 1/4 of basketball with plenty to go. No elite team in the NBA was built overnight if that's what we all expected. There's a process through this all. This is a revamped franchise.

Question his plan if you'd like, but it's not done yet. As fans, we're just waiting right now.

We as fans dont know the plan yet, but we see the direction that we are heading at. And while we do not make a living of dealing with basketball, there are quite a few people here, that question this direction, cause it doesnt fit our franchise player.
Malone established a culture that fitted like a glove for Cousins. Now everything is revamped and most likely turned into a fast paced playstyle. How should we not question that?

 

[dude12]

I can't get past the fact that the basketball lifer who was coaching our team had our players and coaching staff rowing in the same direction. You want to know how ****ing hard that is to do? They were, meaning the coaches and players, had each others backs. You got that sense. After all those years of the Maloofs and crapty coaches and selfish play on the court. That was awesome and they were on their way to making a run at he playoffs with Cuz coming back.

You don't just blow that up right NOW because PDA and Mullin and Bratz got their panties in a bunch....they blew it up over the style of play man. I weep because I keep following this team and an inexperienced owner listened to the wrong guys and they blew something up that was on its way to working.

I don't think there is one Kings fan that doesn't realize that there are better coaches than Malone but that is not the point right now. The point is that coaches get fired when they lost the team, lose and it's time to make a change out of necessity and other reasons. It's so hard to find a coach who has the balls to hold his players accountable, call them out, be critical of the team when it's called for (Pop, Thibs) and the team completely buys in and loves Malone for it because they believe in what he's doing. That is some powerful stuff when it happens and it got ripped from us and the players.

If you heard some of the players comments, the one that stood out is Collison calling it a frustrating 48 hours, Landry calling Malone the best coach here since Adelman, etc. those players have got to be a little pissed....probably a lot pissed. Gay re-signed in part because he believed in the team and in Malone and his staff. He ****ing doesn't sign that extension because PDA is here.

I don't hope the team becomes better, I'm expecting them to deliver something better. Sure the hell looks like they may have torpedoed the season. The players like Corbin and respect him. I hope they pull together and continue but what happens when they get the next guy a week later or is it a month. Who knows? You know who knows? Nobody! There's no replacement in place.

I love how Mullin says that Corbin deserves a chance to run the team.....LOL.... Does he deserve the same chance as Malone does Mully? LOL. Spin, spin, spin. Pretty ****ing amazing that Karl hasn't been locked up yet. He runs the type of offense they want and runs it about as well as a guy can.

 

[spok22s]

 

[206Fan]

We as fans dont know the plan yet, but we see the direction that we are heading at. And while we do not make a living of dealing with basketball, there are quite a few people here, that question this direction, cause it doesnt fit our franchise player.
Malone established a culture that fitted like a glove for Cousins. Now everything is revamped and most likely turned into a fast paced playstyle. How should we not question that?

I think we're all free to do what we'd like. I was really pissed and upset when I first heard about the firing, but after thinking about it, I think we just keep moving forward. I question the direction too, but I'm taking a ride along the way.

 

[Prince_XY]

I know you know this, as everyone else, but the team did belong to the Maloofs, now it belongs to Vivek and the rest of the shareholders.
Just to put that out there.

Ouch!

But wait, I think I am smarter than them when it comes to basketball.

But wait again. If I am smarter than them, so why am I just a fan upto now and PDA and Vivek runs a team?

Ouch again.

 

[Gilles]

5-1 against the Warriors, Blazers, Clippers, Nuggets, and Suns. Just six games of course. But then they were 9-6 after 15 games before losing Cousins. That would have put them on pace for their best record in a decade. And that was with a brutal opening schedule that was poised to get easier right when Cousins started missing games. I don't think those first 15 games were a fluke. And according to what I'm reading THAT was when Pete and Mully started begging Vivek to fire the guy.

But even beyond that, at the time Malone was fired the team was STILL on pace to win 10 more games than last year after going 2-7 without Boogie. That's not a setback. That's improvement however you slice it. What was the Kings record last year after 5, 15 and 24 games?



I'd be happy to be wrong because that would mean my team is doing better than I expected. But right now being wrong means believing that the man with the plan is Pete D'Allesandro. I hated a LOT of his moves last year. And right now he's burnt up the little bit of good will that he'd earned with the good moves he has made.

Of course, they started the intrigue at the time, when Kings were 9-6. They looked at the calendar and got scared as Kings could've won 11-12 out of next 15, and there's no way Vivek fires Malone in the thick of PO race with 20-10 record.

 

[Chubbs]

Ouch!

But wait, I think I am smarter than them when it comes to basketball.

But wait again. If I am smarter than them, so why am I just a fan upto now and PDA and Vivek runs a team?

Ouch again.

You think having money makes a person smart?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

You think having money makes a person smart?

You mean, it doesn't?

 

[Abandoned Field]

You guys remember the 2008-09 Kings? The year the Kings went 17-65. The Kings fired Reggie Theus during the season and then hired Kenny Natt. A time when the Kings would draw like 50% far less than it draw now? A time when some of the rotation players included Calvin Booth, Andres Nocioni, Cedric Simmons, Quincy Douby, and Rashad McCants? A time where it was almost certain the Sacramento Kings had no future at all!

Basically, a far more darker time. There is now a light at the end of the tunnel and it's the playoffs. Things are much better now than 5 years ago and even less that too! Just remember that please!

 

[Chubbs]

You mean, it doesn't?

Those two were raised on a different planet than the rest of us.

 

[Prince_XY]

You think having money makes a person smart?

No.

But in Vivek's case, he's got the money to own an NBA team (and part owner of Warriors before) as a result of being so smart. And PDA (who is also a lawyer) has credentials to show as being qualified to be GM. Vivek and PDA are probably more knowledgeable in running a basketball team than all the fans here collectively - by virtue of their experience alone however short it may be.

Who am I to claim their ideas are stupid as compared to my ideas?

Any judge will probably laugh at me if I claim to be smarter than those guys when it comes to running an NBA team even if I am a smart lawyer or a doctor. I don't have the credential to show and claim that I can be smarter than Vivek and PDA when it comes to basketball. I haven't been there, not done their job, and probably the best I can do is pretend/bellycose I know more than them.

So, yes the reality for me as a fan is a big OUCH.

 

[pshn80]

I won't comment on the rest of your OP, but I will make a point of order about the bolded portion above: We're not all from Northern California; for some of us, the Kings are the 'other team'.

Now, not concerning your post, but addressing other people complaining about people being 'too negative', pucker up, because we're not going anywhere, either. Whether you (royal you) like it or not, some of us don't think that Ranadive is entitled to a lifetime free pass for keeping the Kings in Sacramento. This was a questionable move, and we have the right to question it. If you don't like the way we're doing the questioning, well, rules aren't being broken, so deal with it.

........ and deal with it and deal with it and deal with it ad nauseum.