[Trade] Warriors have obvious Jonathan Kuminga trade demand after latest Kings reports

[Joshyjosh31]

The problem lowballing GS is another team will probably offer something better. I'm pretty sure another team can beat DDR and a 2nd. I don't think they even want DDR.

What’s the other team? Does Chicago offer White? Only team I could think of is Brooklyn with MPJ but they might aim higher the Kuminga if MPJ keeps playing like this

 

[TheBigO]

Some draft compensation needs to be involved for the Wizards to take on LaVine's deal, (maybe a heavily protected first from the Warriors and a 2nd round pick or two from the Kings and/or Clippers?) but this seems like a decent framework. Once all the players are trade eligible (Kuminga on January 15th is the last one) this works money wise.

Largely clears the books for the Kings financially, commits to the rebuild and nabs Kuminga while continuing the tank for AJ or (my hope) Darryn. The way he's played, I think you could also flip Westbrook for salary and recoup a 2nd round pick for a team that needs a boost off the bench for a playoff run.

C Raynaud/Eubanks/Lopez
PF Kuminga/Achiuwa
SF Murray/Moody/Middleton/McDermott
SG Ellis/McCollum/Clifford/Hield
PG Shroder/Monk/Carter

And then in the summer you see if you can move Hield to a team that needs shooting, but I think the team is stuck with Schoder and has a big hole at Center.

C ???/Raynaud/Lopez
PF Kuminga/???/???
SF Murray/Moody/???
SG Ellis/Clifford/Carter
PG Peterson/Monk/Schroder

 

[The_Jamal]

The problem lowballing GS is another team will probably offer something better. I'm pretty sure another team can beat DDR and a 2nd. I don't think they even want DDR.

As we are quickly finding out, trades have just become extended FA. If we're to believe that Kuminga actually wanted to be here, he'd just continue to let it leak he'd only sign an extension with Sacramento, thus killing his trade value

 

[Light it up]

What’s the other team? Does Chicago offer White? Only team I could think of is Brooklyn with MPJ but they might aim higher the Kuminga if MPJ keeps playing like this

Now that the trade dealine appraoches teams are able to decipher if they are gunning for playoffs or rebuild ... there will be more movement from teams at the trade deadline than there was at the begining of the season when the Kuminga drama was happening. I'm already see Collins for Kuminga rumors. GS would much rather add Collins than DDR. Pacers and Suns also interested off the top of my head. I believe there will be more interest as the deadline appraoches. Surely those teams, any team, can offer something more useful than DDR.

 

[Tetsujin]

Now that the trade dealine appraoches teams are able to decipher if they are gunning for playoffs or rebuild ... there will be more movement from teams at the trade deadline than there was at the begining of the season when the Kuminga drama was happening. I'm already see Collins for Kuminga rumors. GS would much rather add Collins than DDR. Pacers and Suns also interested off the top of my head. I believe there will be more interest as the deadline appraoches. Surely those teams, any team, can offer something more useful than DDR.

If there’s one thing John Collins being on the trade block for the last three presidential administrations has taught us is that not many people seem to actually like John Collins enough to want him on their team.

 

[Light it up]

As we are quickly finding out, trades have just become extended FA. If we're to believe that Kuminga actually wanted to be here, he'd just continue to let it leak he'd only sign an extension with Sacramento, thus killing his trade value

Well Kuminga signed a 2 year deal, so any team trading for him has the option on his 2nd year. So any leaks of that nature probably wouldnt happen until next year.

 

[Light it up]

If there’s one thing John Collins being on the trade block for the last three presidential administrations has taught us is that not many people seem to actually like John Collins enough to want him on their team.

If the decision is between Collins or DDR for GS they take Collins 10 out of 10 times at the very least for needing frontcourt help. The GS fans on other boards are pretty high on acquiring Collins.

 

[Tetsujin]

If the decision is between Collins or DDR for GS they take Collins 10 out of 10 times at the very least for needing frontcourt help. The GS fans on other boards are pretty high on acquiring Collins.

GS fans also think that they can trade Kuminga for Giannis

 

[ESP47]

As we are quickly finding out, trades have just become extended FA. If we're to believe that Kuminga actually wanted to be here, he'd just continue to let it leak he'd only sign an extension with Sacramento, thus killing his trade value

I think pretty much any player would be out of their minds to want to be in Sacramento right now.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

If the decision is between Collins or DDR for GS they take Collins 10 out of 10 times at the very least for needing frontcourt help. The GS fans on other boards are pretty high on acquiring Collins.

Wouldn’t the clippers want monk or DDR over Kuminga?! Make it a three team give the clippers monk and Derozan to get Kuminga and save the league from OKC getting a top 7 pick

 

[TheBigO]

Just in case anyone can't see the image in my post above, the trade proposal is

Sacramento sends:
Sabonis
LaVine

Sacramento receives:
Middleton
McCollum
Kuminga
Moody
Hield
B. Lopez

GS Sends:
Kuminga
Moody
Hield
Protected FRP

GS Receives:
Sabonis

Washington sends:
Middleton
McCollum
Kispert

Washington receives:
LaVine
J. Collins
B. Beal
Protected FRP
1 or 2 SRPs (from SAC and/or LAC)

LAC sends:
J. Collins

LAC receives:
DeRozan
Kispert

 

[iowamcnabb]

Just in case anyone can't see the image in my post above, the trade proposal is

Sacramento sends:
Sabonis
LaVine

Sacramento receives:
Middleton
McCollum
Kuminga
Moody
Hield
B. Lopez

GS Sends:
Kuminga
Moody
Hield
Protected FRP

GS Receives:
Sabonis

Washington sends:
Middleton
McCollum
Kispert

Washington receives:
LaVine
J. Collins
B. Beal
Protected FRP
1 or 2 SRPs (from SAC and/or LAC)

LAC sends:
J. Collins

LAC receives:
DeRozan
Kispert

I don’t think that’s enough return for Sabonis.
I’m not attaching assets to get off Lavine or Deebo. We aren’t a second apron team or even pay the luxury tax. Deebo can be bought out for 10 mil if we can’t trade him and Lavine is an expiring next year. My guess is Scott and Rich Paul will work together to find a better situation for Zach. Deebo has zero chance of being on the Kings next year due to the Keegan extension and id put Lavine at 25 percent. He isn’t going to want to enter free agency, that’s not where the money is anymore. His best bet is to find a team that wants him on an extension via declined player option.

 

[BuddyBuckets]

There's a rumor on X that Pistons are talking to Kings about Schroder. I've seen a few people quote it. I'm under the impression Schroder cant be sent back to Detroit this year. Can anyone verify?

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I don’t think that’s enough return for Sabonis.

It's not remotely close. Kuminga and no picks? No way. I know Zach might be hard to get rid of, but contracts expire. We're obviously not in a place where we need money anyway, and there's a salary floor. We should under no circumstances attach assets to get rid of Zach. Let him expire if it comes to that.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

There's a rumor on X that Pistons are talking to Kings about Schroder. I've seen a few people quote it. I'm under the impression Schroder cant be sent back to Detroit this year. Can anyone verify?

You are correct, the Pistons cannot reacquire Schroder this season, because the deal was a sign-and-trade.

 

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

There's a rumor on X that Pistons are talking to Kings about Schroder. I've seen a few people quote it. I'm under the impression Schroder cant be sent back to Detroit this year. Can anyone verify?

Correct. He can only be traded back to the Pistons in the offseason.

 

[TheBigO]

It's not remotely close. Kuminga and no picks? No way. I know Zach might be hard to get rid of, but contracts expire. We're obviously not in a place where we need money anyway, and there's a salary floor. We should under no circumstances attach assets to get rid of Zach. Let him expire if it comes to that.

If Sabonis is traded I think Kings fans are going to be unpleasantly surprised to see how little we get in return.

Remember when we all thought that we'd be getting Castle and/or Atlanta's pick in the Fox deal and got neither?

Personally, I'd keep Sabonis, dump DDR and LaVine and look for a kid like Caleb Wilson to help shore up interior defense. But IF Domas wants out and/or the Kings really want to move him, there just aren't going be very many interested teams. He's a player you pretty much have to build your offense around and who doesn't provide defense while also having a cap hit of $40M+

Edit: If he can continue to prove he can hit open threes, Chris Cenak is another draft target in the event we keep Sabonis.

 

[The_Jamal]

If Sabonis is traded I think Kings fans are going to be unpleasantly surprised to see how little we get in return.

Remember when we all thought that we'd be getting Castle and/or Atlanta's pick in the Fox deal and got neither?

Personally, I'd keep Sabonis, dump DDR and LaVine and look for a kid like Caleb Wilson to help shore up interior defense. But IF Domas wants out and/or the Kings really want to move him, there just aren't going be very many interested teams. He's a player you pretty much have to build your offense around and who doesn't provide defense while also having a cap hit of $40M+

Edit: If he can continue to prove he can hit open threes, Chris Cenak is another draft target in the event we keep Sabonis.

Fox deal was different because Fox snaked us and basically told the whole world that he would only sign an extension with SAS. So it became, do we accept 40 cents on the dollar, or do we let him walk out the door for nothing in a 1 year and a half?

We'd be able to actually shop Domas around, so his return should be a "normal" return for an all-star/all-nba talent

 

[Capt. Factorial]

If Sabonis is traded I think Kings fans are going to be unpleasantly surprised to see how little we get in return.

I don't think Sabonis should be traded at all, but if the return is Kuminga and nothing then we're better off just giving him a lifetime contract and putting his jersey up in the rafters now than giving him away.

 

[TheBigO]

Fox deal was different because Fox snaked us and basically told the whole world that he would only sign an extension with SAS. So it became, do we accept 40 cents on the dollar, or do we let him walk out the door for nothing in a 1 year and a half?

We'd be able to actually shop Domas around, so his return should be a "normal" return for an all-star/all-nba talent

Sabonis is worth more to the Kings than almost any other team because of how we've implemented our offense around him. When you have time, try this exercise: go team by team and make a list of who (a) isn't rebuilding (and wouldn't be interested), (b) would be willing to reshape their offense to match what Sabonis does well (c) have a starting center where Sabonis would be a clear upgrade (including their style of play) and (d) have the contracts or assets to make a deal work.

I've done it. And there are maybe 3 or 4 teams that I could see even having interest. And I struggled to build a trade package that was reasonable and represented Domas' worth to the Kings.

Again, I don't think the Kings should trade Sabonis (or Keon or Keegan) but IF they do I think Kings fans are going to be ready to pull out pitchforks when they hear what is coming back to Sacramento.

 

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

Again, I don't think the Kings should trade Sabonis (or Keon or Keegan) but IF they do I think Kings fans are going to be ready to pull out pitchforks when they hear what is coming back to Sacramento.

Some will. Not all...
OK, maybe most will.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I don’t think that’s enough return for Sabonis.
I’m not attaching assets to get off Lavine or Deebo. We aren’t a second apron team or even pay the luxury tax. Deebo can be bought out for 10 mil if we can’t trade him and Lavine is an expiring next year. My guess is Scott and Rich Paul will work together to find a better situation for Zach. Deebo has zero chance of being on the Kings next year due to the Keegan extension and id put Lavine at 25 percent. He isn’t going to want to enter free agency, that’s not where the money is anymore. His best bet is to find a team that wants him on an extension via declined player option.

The bigger issue with the big huge trade imho is it has us taking salary back which I believe would put us into tax payer territory. We'd also have to waive 3 players outright under that deal.

Not to mention we only get Kuminga and Moody and no draft compensation (possibly outgoing compensation) on top of it all. For all that trouble I'd rather just burn this to the ground while current contracts expire.

 

[dude12]

Limit Lavine’s minutes or not play him in the fourth Q so he opts out next year

 

[SacTownKid]

If there’s one thing John Collins being on the trade block for the last three presidential administrations has taught us is that not many people seem to actually like John Collins enough to want him on their team.

Yeah, same with Schroder. Problem is value trade wise doesn't exist. I would think any serious team would rather have DeMar at this point but who knows.

 

[Light it up]

Wouldn’t the clippers want monk or DDR over Kuminga?! Make it a three team give the clippers monk and Derozan to get Kuminga and save the league from OKC getting a top 7 pick

I'm not sure who the Clippers would want? Are they throwing in the towel or do they think they can still make a run?

 

[Light it up]

Yeah, same with Schroder. Problem is value trade wise doesn't exist. I would think any serious team would rather have DeMar at this point but who knows.

I'd rather have Collins than DDR. It depends on what that team needs. If you need front court help then it's Collins. If you need someone you can run iso's with in the playoffs then its DDR but GS already has Curry and Butler for that. They are worried Butler and Green are going to get beat up before they get to the playoffs. They are having to play Butler at the 4 and Green at the 5 a lot because they don't have any bigs that can play. Horford is cooked. They probably thought he had more gas than he does and now they are scrambling for help. DDR doesn't do anything for them.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

I'm not sure who the Clippers would want? Are they throwing in the towel or do they think they can still make a run?

They can’t throw in the towel with no draft pick I did see a rumor that Houston would want hard if available. If they can get Reed and picks then y’all do that

 

[SacTownKid]

I'd rather have Collins than DDR. It depends on what that team needs. If you need front court help then it's Collins. If you need someone you can run iso's with in the playoffs then its DDR but GS already has Curry and Butler for that. They are worried Butler and Green are going to get beat up before they get to the playoffs. They are having to play Butler at the 4 and Green at the 5 a lot because they don't have any bigs that can play. Horford is cooked. They probably thought he had more gas than he does and now they are scrambling for help. DDR doesn't do anything for them.

The thing is DDR still does what he does at an elite level. I would imagine him being a 6th man would skyrocket any teams offense from the bench. It does depend on what a team needs but Collins is pretty much a role guy who does a little bit of everything, but nothing great.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

The thing is DDR still does what he does at an elite level. I would imagine him being a 6th man would skyrocket any teams offense from the bench. It does depend on what a team needs but Collins is pretty much a role guy who does a little bit of everything, but nothing great.

He was an elite shooter for Utah. He's a true 4, so I'd also rather have him than DeRozan. Would allow Murray to move back to the 3, where I want to see him

 

[hrdboild]

I think pretty much any player would be out of their minds to want to be in Sacramento right now.

Ah, the ole' Catch-22 clause... If they want to be in Sacramento there must be something wrong with them. And if there's something wrong with them, should Sacramento even want them? I'm not above self-pity, but we do have to draw a line somewhere and wanting out of Golden State surely shows that Kuminga is a man of exceptional taste or at least we share a mutual disdain for Kerr, Curry, and Draymond.

I don't think Sabonis should be traded at all, but if the return is Kuminga and nothing then we're better off just giving him a lifetime contract and putting his jersey up in the rafters now than giving him away.

If Sabonis is traded I think Kings fans are going to be unpleasantly surprised to see how little we get in return.

Remember when we all thought that we'd be getting Castle and/or Atlanta's pick in the Fox deal and got neither?

Personally, I'd keep Sabonis, dump DDR and LaVine and look for a kid like Caleb Wilson to help shore up interior defense. But IF Domas wants out and/or the Kings really want to move him, there just aren't going be very many interested teams. He's a player you pretty much have to build your offense around and who doesn't provide defense while also having a cap hit of $40M+

Edit: If he can continue to prove he can hit open threes, Chris Cenak is another draft target in the event we keep Sabonis.

The trouble is, Sabonis might be the level of player who is just good enough to keep this team perpetually in no man's land -- not good enough to contend and not bad enough to escape mediocrity. Kuminga is a big swing and may ultimately end up being a miss but I don't see a realistic path toward contention that doesn't involve trading Sabonis and suffering through at least one last place season. I'd rather we get a young big for Sabonis but GS just dropped below .500 and may be desperate enough to throw in multiple picks to fix their front court issues.

We're currently 5-17 with 60 games left to go in this season but we haven't seen Keegan and Domas share the court yet. With both of those guys healthy I don't think we're likely to be in position to draft Caleb Wilson. The Kings' easiest stretch of the season looks like March to April so we're poised for another late season surge while the tanking teams all pass us and that would put us right back in the same situation next season, still backed into a corner trying to elevate the team defense around a slow-footed 6'10" center with short arms and very little vertical lift. And given the way his offensive impact has also dropped off in the post-Mike Brown era without the dribble hand-off structure in place, we run the risk of cratering Sabonis' value even further by holding onto him another year.