whitechocolate
Bench
He did choose to be a second banana rather than be the man. There was a time before ring culture, where players would view that as giving up. When being traded meant the player wasn't a franchise player.
[Trade] Warriors have obvious Jonathan Kuminga trade demand after latest Kings reports
Joshyjosh31
Starter
When Kuminga resigns what would the offers look like at the deadline? I assume it would be between us, Chicago, and Brooklyn
We could offer DDR straight up and they'd open up a ton of space either opting out next year or keeping him one year and letting him expire, they seem to be setting up for the 27 free agent off-season which is a big reason for why they do not want Monk.
He may be third or fourth banana by the time his extension kicks in.
NewArena
All-Star
Yes i can blame him, actually. The timing was horrid. Period.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
If they don’t want monk then take Derozan this isn’t complicated. I really hope that we’re not incompetent enough to give up an unprotected pick for an unproven guy who’s about to walk from them
Would need to wait four months to do Deebo as the salaries are too far apart under BYC rules.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Makes sense have to find a third team but then they’d have to get compensated this is on GSW for not doing a three team when we were overpaying for Schroeder they don’t deserve a first from us at this point
All that said I do wonder what deals are out there for Deebo if we secure Kuminga for Monk. Word is Monk would be shipped elsewhere so GS can continue their pipedream of luring a massive FA haul in 27. I honestly have no friggin clue what they think is going to happen? Especially when they aren't the only team with this idea and the others aren't currently circlejerking a RFA they've made clear is not part of their future.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Vivek really screwed the fox trade if we do pull off a Kuminga trade Ellis, Keegan, Kuminga, and Sabonis is a nice core going forward. Take Ellis out and add in Lavine and it’s a cluster**** add in Schroeder as well and it’s complete madness
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Derozan to Miami is the only team I can see this happening that doesn’t bring back bad contracts. I have no idea where monk would go and who’d be interested salaries don’t match in Toronto or Detroit
Wonder what if anything Houston could put together for Monk and if we have entertained that in a way to get Golden State to flinch?
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
I’m ok with loosening the protections, just make it top 4 protected. Kuminga is a top ten pick talent so I think that’s fair risk for both sides. Unprotected would be tough given the 31 situation.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Unprotected is a no go shouldn’t even be entertained top 4 protected is fine since he’d be on a decent contract and he’s only 22 which is crazy.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Unprotected in the 2027 draft is honestly not worth all that much so if that’s what the Warriors are asking for, I’d do it.
Increasing the offer to Kuminga into the $25M per year range and matching salary with DeMar instead of Malik seems like the closest path to a trade. And also loosening the pick protections to the point where the pick becomes enticing enough. Depends how badly our front office wants to make this deal.
I would think the way to move Malik if we want to clear his salary is probably packaged with Sabonis as part of a bigger trade. But that likely doesn't happen right now and the decision to continue building with the vets or to reset with a younger core will depend on how the team looks for the first half of this season and where that sets our future timeline.
I would think the way to move Malik if we want to clear his salary is probably packaged with Sabonis as part of a bigger trade. But that likely doesn't happen right now and the decision to continue building with the vets or to reset with a younger core will depend on how the team looks for the first half of this season and where that sets our future timeline.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
What if that picks becomes top 3? Yes they say the draft is weak right now but we’re two years out the talent pool could be better by then
Caccia
Starter
I had not heard that. There is not a lot of time to make a second trade happen before the regular season starts, and it would be disruptive once the season started. In any case, not to wait and see how Malik performs alongside Curry would be asinine.
Perhaps a three-way trade with Houston would make sense, but that is beyond my ken.
The Billy Beane move to make here would be to sign De'Anthony Melton and then immediately call Golden State back and tell them Melton is off the market but Malik Monk is still available. The Warriors seem (foolishly?) to still be believers in Buddy Buckets as their floor spacer so I don't know how desperate they are for another SG who isn't known as a plus defender. Monk would be backup PG insurance though in the likely event that Steph Curry has to miss a big chunk of games.
Caccia
Starter
That is pretty much his prospective role on the 2025-26 Kings. His chemistry with Sabonis sometimes looks like wizardry.
It's a major part of why they want the option in Year 3, if they somehow can't move him they want to cut him so they can have a crack at whoever it is they think they can get.
That's their entire cap table in the summer of 27. Two players, one an option.
Is 2027 projected to be that bad, or just 2019 coming off of 2017 and 2018? I have no doubt in a year and a half they'll have found a Zion to hype.
Caccia
Starter
Is Kuminga really such a better all-around player than Isaac Jones? Here are their stats from last season, with Kuminga first:
FG% 45.4; 64.6
3P% .305; .375
TS% .535; .638
RB per 36 6.8; 6.8
Blocks per 36 .7; 1.2
Assists per 36 3.3; 1.4
Points per 36 22.6; 15.9
Games 47; 40 (Jones had to sit out a few games due to his two-way contract)
https://stathead.com/basketball/ver...025&player_id1=kuminjo01&player_id2=jonesis01
FG% 45.4; 64.6
3P% .305; .375
TS% .535; .638
RB per 36 6.8; 6.8
Blocks per 36 .7; 1.2
Assists per 36 3.3; 1.4
Points per 36 22.6; 15.9
Games 47; 40 (Jones had to sit out a few games due to his two-way contract)
https://stathead.com/basketball/ver...025&player_id1=kuminjo01&player_id2=jonesis01
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The trouble with this team is rarely on the offensive side of the floor. If scoring points was all that mattered, we'd be in the playoffs every year and would have even won a few playoff series.
The difference which isn't reflected in the stats is that Kuminga can create his own shot. Isaac Jones is the type of guy that every team needs and maybe in time he'll grow into being a significant part of the rotation but they fill very different roles. The 3pt shooting is cause for concern with Kuminga but he is only 22 and his career 3pt % is a tick better than what he showed last season (.332) so there's still hope that he will continue to improve. Jones is 25 and has made a total of 3 three-point jumpers so far in his NBA career so that .375 3pt% you quoted is pretty misleading.
Wouldn't Kuminga be considered a big wing whereas IJ is a more traditional PF or small ball C? IJ born 20 years too late or something.
Caccia
Starter
Good point, I missed that.
NewArena
All-Star
Well credit to Kuminga for "standing on business" lol he really is over them as an organization
especially with them losing Fred now this year
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