[Trade] Warriors have obvious Jonathan Kuminga trade demand after latest Kings reports

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"here, take this player we absolutely despise and want him off our team immediatley for your very valuable young wing"
They reportedly refused a Kuminga for Caruso deal last offseason which really begs the question “why the hell aren’t they playing him thirty minutes a night if they think he’s good enough to warrant a huge star-level return?”
 
A team stuck in the lottery for decades should not trade an unprotected pick unless the player there getting back has already proved he’s an all star not hopes and dreams






If we were tanking sure give up a top 3 protected in 2030 or whatever it is. How does Kuminga even fit with Sabonis our frontcourt would have no spacing and no defenders as well. Nique, Keegan, and Kuminga looks nice on paper for the future if nique can reach his potential and Kuminga as well. But adding Kuminga with the vets we have I don’t see how Keegan reaches half his offensive potential with the 8 shots he’d get a game. At some point he has to think for himself we’d be capping how much he can earn by making him a non factor on offense

DeRozan's salary is only partially guaranteed next season and LaVine will have either 1 year remaining or he opts out and becomes a free agent. We should not be making any personnel decisions based on their presence on the roster. One of the vets needs to be moved in any hypothetical Kuminga deal anyway to match salary (presumably Monk but it might be DeRozan). And if Sabonis becomes the odd man out because the team around him has gotten younger and needs a better defender in that role, we should be able to get a couple of picks back in a Sabonis trade. We just need to get used to the idea that there is no short-term fix for this roster. We're capped out with a squad that is going to struggle to stay above .500. Building around Ellis, Clifford, Murray, Carter, etc. isn't a plan B anymore... it's the only plan that makes sense.
 
DeRozan's salary is only partially guaranteed next season and LaVine will have either 1 year remaining or he opts out and becomes a free agent. We should not be making any personnel decisions based on their presence on the roster. One of the vets needs to be moved in any hypothetical Kuminga deal anyway to match salary (presumably Monk but it might be DeRozan). And if Sabonis becomes the odd man out because the team around him has gotten younger and needs a better defender in that role, we should be able to get a couple of picks back in a Sabonis trade. We just need to get used to the idea that there is no short-term fix for this roster. We're capped out with a squad that is going to struggle to stay above .500. Building around Ellis, Clifford, Murray, Carter, etc. isn't a plan B anymore... it's the only plan that makes sense.

Would’ve been smart to get ahead of the Sabonis trade request when we miss the play-in. I’m hoping Cleveland fails in the playoffs again and a package around Sabonis, Allen, and Garland happens
 
Trade GS either Monk or Derozan. Otherwise eff them. On a side note, I absolutely would not trade an unprotected first for Kuminga. I don’t think he’s going to play winning basketball…..why do you think GS doesn’t want him.
I’d take the same offer they are showing GS and see what other wing is out there.
I don’t think they’re screwing with Kuminga because they don’t think he can play winning basketball. I’m not sure how much evidence is out there to even support that if Kerr is just being a stubborn old brat and won’t give him a real shot to begin with. I’ve seen Kuminga help them win games and still be benched the very next week.

I guess Mike Brown learned from the best in that regard as well.
 
I think the Warriors are kind of playing their hand here, if they are dead set on a team option in the 3rd year that definitely means they are on a two year plan and want cap space for 2027. That might explain their non interest in Monk since it's unlikely at this point he opts out of his final year so that would be 21 million on the books for them. 2027 could be a stacked free agency with plenty of players potentially looking form super teams. The Warriors are probably planning to pair up Jokic and Giannis at that point, lol.
Curry ain’t gonna be around forever. If they think people are rushing to play over there without him, then they’re in for a very rude awakening lol the doldrum days are on the way. They’ve been avoiding it by adding vets in the way the Kings did 20 years ago with Cuttino Mobley and such, but they’re just delaying the inevitable.
 
Golden State has won 4 championships in the last 11 years, I'm sure they'll survive regardless of what happens with Kuminga. The Kings, meanwhile, have 3 winning seasons in the last 20 years and haven't won a playoff series since 2004. One of these franchises (theirs) is trying to do right by their Hall of Fame superstar in the last few years of his career and the other (ours) is starting over yet again with a new coach and front office and a roster of leftover parts nobody else will take from us for free.

So you really think ours is the front office that gets to kick back and patiently wait for some other franchise to make a mistake in our favor? We're not even at the big boys table, we're in the lobby waiting for a seat. In that context, yes I'll burn an asset if it means not throwing away another season. I'm not sure you all realize how precarious our situation is right now. If this season goes poorly we may be watching Keon Ellis leave for nothing, Sabonis quietly announcing that the Kings have two years to trade him, and a locker room full of frustrated veterans on one or two year deals all begging their agents to get them the hell out of here. We also haven't seen any movement on a Keegan Murray extension yet. I'm not personally in any kind of a mood to point the finger at Golden State and laugh at their misfortune. Their situation isn't great but they still hold a lot more cards than we do.
That’s all well and good for bragging rights maybe, but the NBA (just like life) is very very cyclical and 4 titles in however many years doesn’t mean anything at the negotiating table if you’re in Kuminga’s position. All he knows is that he wants nothing to do with Steve Kerr or that new front office that doesn’t seem to know what the heck they’re doing.

The dubs aren’t far removed from their title days, but that doesn’t mean they’re anywhere close to getting back to that. This is damn near the exact opposite way you “do right by” your hall of fame talent. I won’t be pointing and laughing at them, but i don’t think they get to look down at us or anyone else for that matter just because of past success.
 
Nice try media, you aren’t foolin’ me this time.

“Fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice, shame on me.

Fool me three times, there’s a little bit of shame to go around here. Admittedly, maybe I should have caught on to your character by now, but you know, you’re the one doing the fooling. This doesn’t have to be a black-and-white situation.

Fool me four times, I’m big enough to admit that the shame is leaning back towards me. After three times, I really should have been a little more skeptical. You’ve got me there.

Fool me five times, shame is entirely on you again. The only explanation for you fooling me five separate times is that you had some really clever trick that I couldn’t possibly be expected to figure out. Obviously, I don’t know what it was, but it must have been so good, and you should definitely have known better.

Fool me six times, and maybe who gets the shame just isn’t the right framework to think about this anymore. The two of us have a relationship at this point, and it’s clearly dysfunctional. Maybe we should stop trying to figure out who’s to blame and start working on how we can make things better.

Fool me seven times, and you’re not exactly showing me you’re as dedicated to doing the work of improving this relationship as I am.

Fool me eight times and I’ll be like, “Hey, could you maybe stop that?” And then you’ll be like, “Oh, yeah, I’ll stop. I didn’t realize it was bothering you so much.” And I’ll go, “Wait, really?” and you’ll be like “Yeah, totally. Shame on me,” and anyway, that’s a ninth time right there.

Fool me ten times and I’ll be like, “Ohhhhhhhh, you were just fooling me again!” and you’ll be like, “Yeah, obviously. That cannot be a surprise to you at this point.”

Fool me eleven times and you’re probably gonna start wondering if there’s something else going on here. Am I only pretending to be fooled by you? Do I have a secret plan that I’m unfolding underneath your very nose? Are you actually the one being fooled?

Fool me twelve times and, no, it’s definitely not some big plan. I really am getting fooled every time.

Fool me thirteen times, and you start to wonder why you even bother. Are you getting something from continuing to fool me over and over again, or is it just a habit now? Could it maybe be… Love?

Fool me fifteen times and you hope it isn’t love, because it’s getting to be a chore. Has it even been just fifteen times? Or did you lose count?

Fool me sixteen times and you start getting lazy with it. You just say stuff like, “Hey, I’m definitely not about to go to the bathroom,” right before you go to the bathroom. Does that even count? But then I’m like, “HOLY COW, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?” and yeah, apparently it does.

Fool me seventeen times and I’m like, “Wait a second…. You’re not trying to fool me, are you?” And for a moment, you think I’ve caught you, and it’s finally over. But then, I’m like, “No, that’s messed up. You wouldn’t do that to me a seventeenth time.” It’s never over.

Fool me eighteen times and something is wrong, with me and maybe also with you. A person shouldn’t be fooled this many times. That’s simply too much shame. This must be destiny. This must be a trap.

Fool me nineteen times, because you can’t escape from it any more than I can. You can’t stop fooling me just as I can’t stop being fooled. You are caught in a web of lies, and you are the one spinning them.

Fool me twenty times and you feel yourself unraveling. This is your Hell. Your shame. I will never release you. I will never see through your lies. And you will never stop lying.

Fool me twenty times.

Fool me twenty-one times.

Fool me.”
 
Curry ain’t gonna be around forever. If they think people are rushing to play over there without him, then they’re in for a very rude awakening lol the doldrum days are on the way. They’ve been avoiding it by adding vets in the way the Kings did 20 years ago with Cuttino Mobley and such, but they’re just delaying the inevitable.

It's called ego and has there ever been a more egotistical franchise? Even the Lakers didn't seem to have that level of self butt sniffing.
 
If they want an unprotected pick they better send us a star player not Kuminga

Teams don't send us star players -- they send us guys they no longer want. The goal of every Sacramento front office should be to acquire players who are young enough and talented enough to develop into star players after we trade for them. Then we need to actually start winning so those players will want to stay.
 
Honestly, I feel like the Kings and Warriors need to find another suitor for Monk so that…

1.) The Warriors don’t create a log jam at the guard spot (Ste. Curry, Podz, Melton, Payton, Se. Curry, Hield)
2.) The Warriors can take in less money which allows them to keep both Hield and Moody


This framework seems like it works for everybody and would get the deal over the finish line…

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ATL Gets: Caleb Martin
ATL Gives: TPE
Why for ATL? Martin gives them a very solid bench wing to shore up their rotation.

PG - Young / NAW / Krejci
SG - Daniels / Kennard / Houstan
SF - Risacher / Martin / Djurisic
PF - Johnson / Newell / Gueye
C - Porzingis / Okongwu / Dante

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DAL Gets: Malik Monk & Dario Saric
DAL Gives: Caleb Martin, Naji Marshall, & Jaden Hardy
Why for DAL? The Mavs get an upgrade at the guard spot who can help score, playmake for others, and space the floor. When Irving is back, he can revert back to an elite 6th man. They also shave a little money off their payroll.

PG - Monk / Russell / Williams / Irving (rehab)
SG - Thompson / Christie / Exum
SF - Flagg / Washington
PF - Davis / Saric
C - Lively / Gafford / Powell

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GSW Gets: Naji Marshall, Terence Davis, & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable between 2031 SAC 1st & 2031 SAS 1st)
GSW Gives: Jonathan Kuminga (S&T $63 mil/3 years)
Why for GSW? Instead of adding a guard to their glut, they bring in Marshall to help replace Kuminga while keeping their payroll low enough to keep Hield/Moody. They also get a future 1st as another asset to leverage.

PG - Curry / Melton / Curry
SG - Moody / Podz / Payton
SF - Butler / Hield / Davis
PF - Green / Marshall / Santos
C - Horford / Post / Jackson-Davis

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SAC Gets: Jonathan Kuminga (S&T $63 mil/3 years) & Jaden Hardy
SAC Gives: Malik Monk, Dario Saric, Terence Davis, & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable between 2031 SAC 1st & 2031 SAS 1st)
Why for SAC? The Kings get their target in Kuminga who gives them a high potential player to invest in. Kuminga also gives them another big, long, athletic forward next to Sabonis and allows the Kings to push Murray back to SF (which is ideal IMO). They also balance the roster more by swapping a guard for a forward (freeing up minutes for Schroder, Carter, LaVine, & Ellis). Lastly, they save a small amount of money this season as well.

PG - Schroder / Carter
SG - LaVine / Ellis / Hardy
SF - Murray / Clifford / McDermott
PF - Kuminga / DeRozan / Jones
C - Sabonis / Raynaud / Eubanks

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SAC Gives: Malik Monk, Dario Saric, Terence Davis, & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable between 2031 SAC 1st & 2031 SAS 1st)
TD already had his non-guaranteed money declined by the team, so if that salary is required for matching purposes this would look like a no-go.
 
Honestly, I feel like the Kings and Warriors need to find another suitor for Monk so that…

1.) The Warriors don’t create a log jam at the guard spot (Ste. Curry, Podz, Melton, Payton, Se. Curry, Hield)
2.) The Warriors can take in less money which allows them to keep both Hield and Moody


This framework seems like it works for everybody and would get the deal over the finish line…

—————————

ATL Gets: Caleb Martin
ATL Gives: TPE
Why for ATL? Martin gives them a very solid bench wing to shore up their rotation.

PG - Young / NAW / Krejci
SG - Daniels / Kennard / Houstan
SF - Risacher / Martin / Djurisic
PF - Johnson / Newell / Gueye
C - Porzingis / Okongwu / Dante

—————————

DAL Gets: Malik Monk & Dario Saric
DAL Gives: Caleb Martin, Naji Marshall, & Jaden Hardy
Why for DAL? The Mavs get an upgrade at the guard spot who can help score, playmake for others, and space the floor. When Irving is back, he can revert back to an elite 6th man. They also shave a little money off their payroll.

PG - Monk / Russell / Williams / Irving (rehab)
SG - Thompson / Christie / Exum
SF - Flagg / Washington
PF - Davis / Saric
C - Lively / Gafford / Powell

—————————

GSW Gets: Naji Marshall, Terence Davis, & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable between 2031 SAC 1st & 2031 SAS 1st)
GSW Gives: Jonathan Kuminga (S&T $63 mil/3 years)
Why for GSW? Instead of adding a guard to their glut, they bring in Marshall to help replace Kuminga while keeping their payroll low enough to keep Hield/Moody. They also get a future 1st as another asset to leverage.

PG - Curry / Melton / Curry
SG - Moody / Podz / Payton
SF - Butler / Hield / Davis
PF - Green / Marshall / Santos
C - Horford / Post / Jackson-Davis

—————————

SAC Gets: Jonathan Kuminga (S&T $63 mil/3 years) & Jaden Hardy
SAC Gives: Malik Monk, Dario Saric, Terence Davis, & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable between 2031 SAC 1st & 2031 SAS 1st)
Why for SAC? The Kings get their target in Kuminga who gives them a high potential player to invest in. Kuminga also gives them another big, long, athletic forward next to Sabonis and allows the Kings to push Murray back to SF (which is ideal IMO). They also balance the roster more by swapping a guard for a forward (freeing up minutes for Schroder, Carter, LaVine, & Ellis). Lastly, they save a small amount of money this season as well.

PG - Schroder / Carter
SG - LaVine / Ellis / Hardy
SF - Murray / Clifford / McDermott
PF - Kuminga / DeRozan / Jones
C - Sabonis / Raynaud / Eubanks

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It sounded like the Kings kicked around ideas about how to move salary elsewhere and there were no takers. Then the Schroder thing was somehow the real optios to make a sign and trade work with Kuminga, etc. Once the Kings signed Schroder I think it was clear the Kings were pretty much out of the running for Kuminga this summer.
 
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