[Trade] Warriors have obvious Jonathan Kuminga trade demand after latest Kings reports
Golden State has won 4 championships in the last 11 years, I'm sure they'll survive regardless of what happens with Kuminga. The Kings, meanwhile, have 3 winning seasons in the last 20 years and haven't won a playoff series since 2004. One of these franchises (theirs) is trying to do right by their Hall of Fame superstar in the last few years of his career and the other (ours) is starting over yet again with a new coach and front office and a roster of leftover parts nobody else will take from us for free.
So you really think ours is the front office that gets to kick back and patiently wait for some other franchise to make a mistake in our favor? We're not even at the big boys table, we're in the lobby waiting for a seat. In that context, yes I'll burn an asset if it means not throwing away another season. I'm not sure you all realize how precarious our situation is right now. If this season goes poorly we may be watching Keon Ellis leave for nothing, Sabonis quietly announcing that the Kings have two years to trade him, and a locker room full of frustrated veterans on one or two year deals all begging their agents to get them the hell out of here. We also haven't seen any movement on a Keegan Murray extension yet. I'm not personally in any kind of a mood to point the finger at Golden State and laugh at their misfortune. Their situation isn't great but they still hold a lot more cards than we do.
sono
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Sure thing, we’re the ones who are waiting in the lobby to be called up.
No reason to get overly optimistic, but the factors stacking up are undeniable:
- Kuminga and his camp are seriously weighing the QO.
- Curry has 2 years left on his deal and not much left in the tank. This may be the last season where he can still meaningfully contribute.
- Their veteran core Green and Butler face the same reality. Wear and tear are catching up, and urgency is high.
- Their front office is clearly operating in a win-now mode, working to retain and add veteran pieces.
- Kuminga, however, is the bottleneck, holding up the rest of these moves.
Although the Warriors are in better shape than us, their stakes are much higher. They can’t afford a soft reset, their window is now or never. For the Kings, the window is mid-term. With the current core, the Kings are going nowhere. In the worst case, just blow it up and start from scratch.
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Uhm, ok? None of this even remotely relates to what I said and you seem to be projecting quite a bit onto things I never insinuated. I've been very critical of the Perry FO so far, with the caveat that they still deserve time to actually play a real NBA game before we put them out to pasture.
Yes, the Warriors have had piles of success, off the backs of the greatest PG of all time and a top 10 player of all time in Steph Curry. He's also 37 years old. If he's not the same guy, or if he's not there, the Warriors will not be near the same draw as they've been over the last decade+. And I do think how they've completely fumbled the Kuminga situation will affect them with agents down the line.
I'm responding directly to what you said, not just in the post I quoted but to your last 3 posts in this thread (and also to anyone else who thinks we shouldn't be offering them a first round pick for a 22 year old drafted 7th overall 4 years ago who fits a position of need for us). Your attitude would make sense to me if we were the franchise with 4 championships in the last decade plus and Golden State was the laughing stock of the league. With those roles reversed, there's more pressure on the Kings to do something than there is on Golden State. They can coast on the good will of their past success while we lost that privilege 15 years ago.
There's two different things going on here:
(1) Golden State is massively fumbling this Kuminga situation. Agreed.
(2) The Kings won 40 games last season and that was with a lead guard who was inside of the top 10 in scoring who is no longer here.
Whatever the situation may be with Golden State, my primary concern is our own dumpster fire. They could suck for the next 10 years and will still have more fans in Northern California than we do because their legacy of success (and the Kings' legacy of failure) has put them in that position.
You think our offer to Golden State should be what then? Malik Monk and that's it? Golden State has certainly lost a lot of leverage with Kuminga but the Kings aren't negotiating from a position of strength either. We're capped out now and we'll still be capped out next summer with arguably our best two assets (Keegan and Keon) both needing extensions. There might be an opportunity here to steal a type of player (a super athletic combo forward with shot creation skills and defensive acumen) we never manage to get until they're on the down swing of their career or damaged goods and you're arguing for removing ourselves from the negotiating table just when it looks like Golden State may be forced to make a trade. Why?
Joshyjosh31
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Ya moody and buddy Hield should stop you from improving your team laughable stuff
Yeah, the Warriors are really flubbing this. Even if we don't end up with Kuminga, this will absolutely have ramifications for this team post-Steph era. I don't think players or agents are going to forget how they're handling him right now.
Somewhere in this framework are believed to be the protections. I'm fine with top 5 or something, no way can you do fully unprotected though.
Kuminga was a 7th pick and is still widely considered a high level prospect and not a star ffs, top 6 is reasonable.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
If they want an unprotected pick then that better be this next draft, not freaking 2030. That could end up in DISASTER when combined with the Spurs swap. Like Isiah Thomas Knicks level where a team just kind of floats around waiting for the garbage to be flushed away.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
If they want an unprotected pick they better send us a star player not Kuminga
So question - if the QO expires he's still a restricted free agent but what are the other implications?
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
I think Kuminga is a worthy gamble as long as it doesn't take a true star package which is usually youth and that pick. I think if the Kings ended up giving a late lottery pick to mid first rounder that's fine, hamstringing consecutive picks in the probable window of when the team is actually in the middle of a rebuild is Kangz level. The real issue is if the idea is to build around Kuminga, Domas, Schroder, and say Keegan then basically a big part of the teams ability to maneuver from then on his not even there at the start. The only true value contracts that provide much of any room are the young guys like Clifford, Carter, and Maxime. There is very little wiggle room to create a legit contender if they aren't enough as a core. Trades involving picks and cap flexibility is half used up just to make the gamble talent grab. It doesn't look like the Kings are going to recoup much for DeRozan at this point so those are sunk costs. I guess we'll see.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
I'm pretty sure he'd have to wait out the whole year if he didn't accept and refused to play for them. They still have his rights I believe.
The leak wars are happening.
But, if this is our valuation on Kuminga, then you go get him. You don't let a FRP stand in the way of who you think is an all-star foundational player. It's probably a wrong overvaluation on him, but I'd be far more disappointed if they let a guy they think has that sort of potential and upside walk.
So the Warriors are scoffing at the deal because if Kuminga is essentially on a 1 year deal, he's not a valuable piece for a trade. Lol
But presumably they'd be able to sign him or match another off, other than that offer being "gone" what's the catch. I assume a cap hold remains, and they have Bird rights.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
The general idea was apparently that the Kings had a second move lined up to move Deebo if they traded for Kuminga but if they really are intent on starting Horford, I would seriously look at a Deebo (plus that pick) for Kuminga deal if I were the Warriors and actually intent on going all out this season.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
A team stuck in the lottery for decades should not trade an unprotected pick unless the player there getting back has already proved he’s an all star not hopes and dreams
If we were tanking sure give up a top 3 protected in 2030 or whatever it is. How does Kuminga even fit with Sabonis our frontcourt would have no spacing and no defenders as well. Nique, Keegan, and Kuminga looks nice on paper for the future if nique can reach his potential and Kuminga as well. But adding Kuminga with the vets we have I don’t see how Keegan reaches half his offensive potential with the 8 shots he’d get a game. At some point he has to think for himself we’d be capping how much he can earn by making him a non factor on offense
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Or the Kings are floating promises they don't intend on keeping like usual, lol. Vlades MO as a GM was to clearly oversell and players ended up angry. Same thing for Monte to an extent. Yeah, this certainly feels like Kuminga's agent is doing what he can to get Kuminga out but this sure feels like a last ditch effort. If it's the team option it makes sense that it was always indeed the stumbling block.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
The Warriors could probably dump the last year in a deal if need be. Definitely want to have those options in 2027. This has all the makings of a perfect DeMar for Kuminga swap at the deadline.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
I think so yeah, so it would basically be a stalemate.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
I would imagine part of the idea is that Kuminga is a core piece of the "next" phase, which would obviously be post Domas if things didn't hit the ground running. The other issue is then the length of Kumingas contract could actually hurt the Kings because if he comes out to be an All star level talent with all that usage then you're on the hook sooner than later anyway. The Kings are again trying to skip the "process" and per usual there are more ways that this doesn't line up than does. Could still work though, but Perry would have to be really creative and those young guys would have to seriously pop. If he had to pay top dollar for both Keegan and Keon it will be a tight almost non-existent window to really add that needed stuff without having to Geoff Petrie things and really get aggressive in changing out core pieces before they expire and hope it works.
"here, take this player we absolutely despise and want him off our team immediatley for your very valuable young wing"
dang my twitter ban still has about 6 more hours.
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