[Trade] Warriors have obvious Jonathan Kuminga trade demand after latest Kings reports

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Kingz19 said:
lol, and a lot of Warriors fans are all thinking if they keep Kuminga then he can be flipped for Giannis. Meanwhile, Milwaukee won’t even give them Portis for him.

Just shows the only reason the Warriors haven’t shipped him out for peanuts yet is there is a massive difference between how they value Kuminga and the fans who want top return for him.
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They sound like kings fans
 
Question is could he sign a higher 1 year deal (than the QO) somewhere else and really screw their cap? How much of our MLE do we have left? Could we offer him $11-12M on a one year deal and force their hand to match it? Get him a few more million this year than he would have gotten from them on a QO while leaving him in control of the next year as a UFA instead of signing a 2 year deal which could simultaneously building good will with him for the next off season (him being the most recent in a long line of players to "just use the kings as leverage for better deals"). While if they don't match, we have gotten a player on a 1 year deal with our MLE That we were willing to pay more for?
 
cwebb2002 said:
Question is could he sign a higher 1 year deal (than the QO) somewhere else and really screw their cap? How much of our MLE do we have left? Could we offer him $11-12M on a one year deal and force their hand to match it? Get him a few more million this year than he would have gotten from them on a QO while leaving him in control of the next year as a UFA instead of signing a 2 year deal which could simultaneously building good will with him for the next off season (him being the most recent in a long line of players to "just use the kings as leverage for better deals"). While if they don't match, we have gotten a player on a 1 year deal with our MLE That we were willing to pay more for?
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Probably a 3 year MLE with a player option is best he can do, Warriors will match that though. So he'd sign it with a team he probably doesn't have interest in, which is probably why no teams are even trying. We do not want to get matched because that bars us from trading for him for a full year, not just 90 days. Honestly he can just drag it out into the regular season and have nothing to lose.
 
I'm not familiar with the NBA trade clauses, but keep reading, it makes it clear that the Dubs' 2-year, $45M deal sounds solid on paper, but if the 2nd year is a team option or heavily non-guaranteed, it’s essentially a one-year “prove it” contract disguised as security.
This isn’t so much about the dollar amount as it is about control.
That sends a message: we want flexibility to flip you if it suits us, in other words, making him a trade pawn, saying "We value you more as an asset than as part of our core".
That's a hard pill to swallow for Kuminga. Signing that deal would:
  • Lock him into another year of uncertainty under Steve Kerr’s rotation or worse at the end of the bench.
  • invites constant speculation about his future, which can hurt his market value.
It’s not shocking he’s hesitant—he wants a deal that reflects belief in his role, not just belief in his trade value.

So, October 1st is the “sign it now or wait a year” line in the sand. If he thinks the Warriors are lowballing him and structuring the deal as a trade chip, which I believe he does, he might prefer to bet on himself, play this season out, and negotiate a better contract—or force his way to a team that values him more. I like our chances when the last option is realized.
 
sono said:
I'm not familiar with the NBA trade clauses, but keep reading, it makes it clear that the Dubs' 2-year, $45M deal sounds solid on paper, but if the 2nd year is a team option or heavily non-guaranteed, it’s essentially a one-year “prove it” contract disguised as security.
This isn’t so much about the dollar amount as it is about control.
That sends a message: we want flexibility to flip you if it suits us, in other words, making him a trade pawn, saying "We value you more as an asset than as part of our core".
That's a hard pill to swallow for Kuminga. Signing that deal would:
  • Lock him into another year of uncertainty under Steve Kerr’s rotation or worse at the end of the bench.
  • invites constant speculation about his future, which can hurt his market value.
It’s not shocking he’s hesitant—he wants a deal that reflects belief in his role, not just belief in his trade value.

So, October 1st is the “sign it now or wait a year” line in the sand. If he thinks the Warriors are lowballing him and structuring the deal as a trade chip, which I believe he does, he might prefer to bet on himself, play this season out, and negotiate a better contract—or force his way to a team that values him more. I like our chances when the last option is realized.
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I 100% agree! I believe Kuminga and his team are aware of this, which is why they’re hesitant to sign the contract. I still think the Kings have a good chance to land him, but it really depends on how long the Warriors and Kuminga want to drag things out before agreeing to find him another suitor.
 
White_Chocolate said:
Again it’s a game of chicken. If he comes forward with the intent to sign the QO I don’t see any way the warriors don’t turn around and take the best offer - which seems to be ours. If not they lose him for nothing
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I expect that to happen in the next two weeks. They are screwed if Kuminga says, "Pay me or trade me, or I sign the offer sheet tomorrow." Silly for Dunleavy to take a risk like that, especially since his head coach only wants to play him big minutes "in case of emergency."
 
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Caccia said:
I expect that to happen in the next two weeks. They are screwed if he says, "Pay me or trade me, or I sign the offer sheet tomorrow." Silly for Dunleavy to take a risk like that, especially since his head coach only wants to play him big minutes "in case of emergency."
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Dunleavy could be betting on a team or two that could offer a better deal than the Kings or Suns in the last minute, before the qualifying offer deadline, Oct.1st.
 
sono said:
Dunleavy could be betting on a team or two that could offer a better deal than the Kings or Suns in the last minute, before the qualifying offer deadline, Oct.1st.
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But do they really want to complete training camp with 9 players on the roster? Then are the guys that are waiting on Kuminga ok with waiting until then?
 
The_Jamal said:
They can have Monk and they're going to like it. Protected pick is long gone imo, missed their window for that deal.
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I believe that we still would need Zach LaVine to decline his $49 million player option in order to sign Kuminga as an unrestricted free agent next summer. Kuminga will still be looking for a yearly salary of $20 million or more. Based on SportTrac's contract breakdowns it looks like $10 million of DeRozan's salary is guaranteed for next season so the Kings have $150 million in salary committed against a projected salary cap of $165 million -- and that's before Keegan and Keon get re-signed. If LaVine opts out we're back to having real cap space but I don't think we can count on that to the point of playing hardball with the Warriors. I'd keep the offer what it was.
 
hrdboild said:
I believe that we still would need Zach LaVine to decline his $49 million player option in order to sign Kuminga as an unrestricted free agent next summer. Kuminga will still be looking for a yearly salary of $20 million or more. Based on SportTrac's contract breakdowns it looks like $10 million of DeRozan's salary is guaranteed for next season so the Kings have $150 million in salary committed against a projected salary cap of $165 million -- and that's before Keegan and Keon get re-signed. If LaVine opts out we're back to having real cap space but I don't think we can count on that to the point of playing hardball with the Warriors. I'd keep the offer what it was.
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We'd s&t for him on a contract he'd actually be willing to sign. We wouldn't trade for him on the QO
 
hrdboild said:
I believe that we still would need Zach LaVine to decline his $49 million player option in order to sign Kuminga as an unrestricted free agent next summer. Kuminga will still be looking for a yearly salary of $20 million or more. Based on SportTrac's contract breakdowns it looks like $10 million of DeRozan's salary is guaranteed for next season so the Kings have $150 million in salary committed against a projected salary cap of $165 million -- and that's before Keegan and Keon get re-signed. If LaVine opts out we're back to having real cap space but I don't think we can count on that to the point of playing hardball with the Warriors. I'd keep the offer what it was.
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No way LaTrine ops out - no one on earth will pay him $47 and $48 million dollars for the next 2 years besides the '3 stooges' Kings management.
 
kingdivac said:
No way LaTrine ops out - no one on earth will pay him $47 and $48 million dollars for the next 2 years besides the '3 stooges' Kings management.
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The_Jamal said:
We'd s&t for him on a contract he'd actually be willing to sign. We wouldn't trade for him on the QO
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In order to do a sign and trade we still have to find another team who's willing to take back some of our contracts -- the ones that we actually want to trade. That is never a sure thing. If we can believe the reports, he's already willing to sign a contract with us right now. The hold up is that we don't have cap space and still won't next summer without some more moves.
 
hrdboild said:
In order to do a sign and trade we still have to find another team who's willing to take back some of our contracts -- the ones that we actually want to trade. That is never a sure thing. If we can believe the reports, he's already willing to sign a contract with us right now. The hold up is that we don't have cap space and still won't next summer without some more moves.
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Well, I'm assuming that our offer of Monk+Protected FRP would have went to GS, after all the DET stuff was finalized earlier this off-season with Schroeder. So however that ends up working cap wise, I assume that would have gotten Kuminga the contract he wanted from us.
 
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