Up-tempo worked for us tonight
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Pace
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I actually got it from this board. I saw a humorus exchange about the word pace.
Here's the deal:
1. If you're not a troll, then you need to consider that you've just joined a very popular long-tenured Kings fan board, one with a lot of knowledgeable fans who have been here a long time. We don't come by our conclusions lightly or without a great deal of thought.
2. If you are a troll, you're here only until one of the moderators decides you're no longer entertaining. At that point, all your posting privileges will be removed.
This isn't Twitter. Our comments aren't limited to 140 characters. Thus far, you've said nothing of substance. What you have done is parrot (in very short bursts) the drivel we heard from PDA on Dave's show. It didn't fly then and it won't fly now.
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Pace
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I think we're all kings fan here. Anyway, I think I'm gonna turn in. Goodnight ya'll.
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Pace
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Thanks man. Good night.
Chubbs
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And when will that be happening paid King's employee?
Let me guess, new arena?
They could at least hire someone a little more talented. Is this an intern? Cmon Vivek, you can do a little better than this.
Wrong gender on that.
I'd prefer that we don't go around accusing new members of being "plants" - certainly not without something stronger behind it than the fact that they are new and they disagree with the majority point of view. There are at least several other voices here that are not on board with the site's current majority view towards the front office - myself included, and I think it's pretty clear that I'm not a plant.
The great thing about a place like KF.com is that reasonable people are allowed to disagree here. I've seen a board where reasonable people who disagree get their thoughts deleted or get banned, and believe me, it gets ugly. Arguments that get challenged get refined and improved. Those that rely on falsehoods or speculation or innuendo get weeded out, because the challenges against them succeed. Arguments that don't get challenged can quickly spiral off into something that fails to reflect reality. I've seen it happen.
So I'd ask everybody to be a little bit more welcoming of people with different ideas. Answer their challenges. Challenge them back. But please don't accuse them of being insincere in their intentions unless there is no question of insincerity.
King Baller
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OK Pace, Here is the short version. Very few of us think Malone is the best Coach in the NBA. Most do think he is a very good young Coach. Malone has a track record of improving the defense on every team he has been on. When the Clippers needed a Coach Chris Paul was stating for all to hear that he wanted Malone. Malone had Coached Paul in NO. That is not small praise easily discarded.
As Kings Fans that have watched the Kings for many years we have not seen good defensive ball very much. The Adelman Coached team played good ball on both sides of the court. Adelman was given experienced players to work with. prior to Adelman we saw some defense at times and since Adelman very little. So when the Kings began to really D it up early this season when the STARTERS were is us Kings fans were seriously pumped up. Defense wins and defense is sustainable when the shots are not falling. That is why good defensive teams are in most games.
As for the talent on the Kings I think the FO is overestimating it by a large amount. Cousins is an All Star, Gay is a good number 2 or 3 Guy. Collison is a steady NBA PG. McLemore is starting to come around and JT is a steady defensive PF. There is not much else on the bench. In time Staukas may be solid, Sessions has been bad, Casspi was mostly good when he has played, Landry is OK against smaller teams, the Jury is out on Ray. The rest may contribute from time to time but they fall short when playing against the better NBA players.
The owner of the Kings has called Cousins the cornerstone of this team. The owner also wants a running team. To long time NBA observers those two do not compute??????
When you have a dominant inside presence like Cousins you build a team like Memphis has right now. Memphis is your model, not the 1991 Denver Nuggets.
So to sum this up we are upset with the Malone firing because he was the first successful coach in quite a few years. The Kings were playing good ball. We know this because we saw it. Malone's teams passed the Eyeball Test. We are also upset because we see Cousins talent being wasted while the Coach screams RUN, RUN, RUN!!!!
John Galt
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Darn, I got back to this thread and read it after your other posts in other threads.
Now I realize you're not a FO plant, you're a spoof.
I was had. Good one Brick
KingsFanGER
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Excuse me, but are we really wasting Cousins talent, if we still allow him to take 25 shots in a game?
He is still the focal point of our franchise - is he not?
He is still a defensive anchor.
I agree that we need to pick Cousins spots better and put him in a position to succeed, even when his jumper is off, but "wasting his talent" really takes it a bit too far.
Chubbs
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Well, when this person learns to form coherent arguments I'll be glad to have one with them.
Again, man, you jump on me cause you know if you jumped on rainmaker (who started the plant theory), well, you know better than to do that.
The serious question to Pace is, what about the quick start raised red flags? And what do you see now that deserves patience?
Same players now are an NBA worst defensive team. Was Malone really failing?
Chubbs
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That, I think is the biggest thing. Malone seems to have had the support of the stars wherever he has been. We still haven't heard any players say anything bad about him. Or I missed it.
That I actually think is the most important thing for a coach, and especially with a star like demarcus the trust takes time. That's why this reset is so discouraging to me. He had Rudy and Demarcus on his side. And they rewarded him with career best numbers. It's actually the key to any leader of a team in any setting. Get the "talent" to support what you're doing, and that's more than half the job. Not everyone is going to love everything the leader does, but if the star supports the leader, things don't fall apart.
They need to have been damn sure Ty Corbin had the respect of the stars. The effort and play recently says no and they're just biding their time until the "real" coach is hired.
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Pace
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I think once the offensive system really starts clicking, we'll see more of an emphasis on defense. Defense is about effort and ability, and we know we have ability. Malone didn't really have any offensive system or ideas, he just was a defensive cheerleader. I don't think we could progress further with him. He's basically a less accomplished Mike Brown. I have other issues with him but this is the most damning.
Well, when this person learns to form coherent arguments I'll be glad to have one with them.
Again, man, you jump on me cause you know if you jumped on rainmaker (who started the plant theory), well, you know better than to do that.
The serious question to Pace is, what about the quick start raised red flags? And what do you see now that deserves patience?
Same players now are an NBA worst defensive team. Was Malone really failing?
KingsFanGER
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Err - which system do you refer to? I'm not the greatest basketball mind of the planet, but I watch the Kings throw the ball to DMC or Gay in the halfcourt just like they did under Malone. It's been a while since MAlone was fired and we should see glimpses of the new system. The only glimpse i see right now, is DC pushing the ball faster over the timeline, but than regressing to the same uninspired offense as usual.
What are you even talking about? So mike Malone is a glorified mike brown? What is Ty Corbin then? Or since you are taking a front office position, do you just think you can throw anyone out there to run your vision for what an offense looks like? What makes you think the offense is going to start clicking?
And most importantly, what makes you think the fans on here are stupid enough to buy the garbage you are trying to sell?
Again, man, you jump on me cause you know if you jumped on rainmaker (who started the plant theory), well, you know better than to do that.
You have a point. I don't know what it is, but there's something about your comments (the big yellow jazz hand sign??
) that seems to draw my attention. Though I would point out that I was deliberate in my phrasing ("prefer that we don't", "I'd ask everybody") to try to make it clear that I was addressing that to everybody and not to you in particular, though your comment was the one I happened to quote. My plea certainly applies to rainmaker and others as well.
Chubbs
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Ha, yeah, well the Jazz hands does kinda jump out at you.You have a point. I don't know what it is, but there's something about your comments (the big yellow jazz hand sign??
Though I would point out that I was deliberate in my phrasing ("prefer that we don't", "I'd ask everybody") to try to make it clear that I was addressing that to everybody and not to you in particular, though your comment was the one I happened to quote. My plea certainly applies to rainmaker and others as well.
I might have to change that soon.
Chubbs
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Wow, ok.
Malone was just a defensive cheerleader? What is it now, 110 a game since Corbin took over? Its just an absolute disaster on the court and I don't see a way back to the D we had under Malone. I think the front office is dead wrong that a defensive culture had been established and it was time to enter the Jazz era.
Again, you really have to tell us what offensive system you're seeing that is going to lead this team to the success Malone had. I'm just not seeing ANYTHING resembling progress, only regression. The numbers scream it loud and clear.
That's a serious question. I'm not a great X's and O's guy. Has something changed? Has the offensive system changed?
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You have a point. I don't know what it is, but there's something about your comments (the big yellow jazz hand sign??
Though I would point out that I was deliberate in my phrasing ("prefer that we don't", "I'd ask everybody") to try to make it clear that I was addressing that to everybody and not to you in particular, though your comment was the one I happened to quote. My plea certainly applies to rainmaker and others as well.
For what it's worth, I'm not sure "Pace" isn't here under false circumstances, either.
Ya think.....sure he or she is not Android King?For what it's worth, I'm not sure "Pace" isn't here under false circumstances, either.
Pretty sure they're not the same.
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KingMilz
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The thread should be called DEFENSE worked for us 2night.
Padrino
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i'm not sure why it's difficult for some to understand: slow the game down, and demarcus cousins is more able to conserve the necessary energy to shine on the defensive end, and the kings are more likely to win as a result. speed the game up (particularly against opponents who play "up-tempo" much better than the kings), and demarcus cousins is less able to conserve the necessary energy to shine on the defensive end, and the kings are less likely to win as a result...
cuz is the team's defensive anchor. yes, mike malone did have the entire starting five playing the strongest defense we've seen in sacramento in some time before he was fired, but with this particular roster, the drop-off in defensive play is immense when cousins hits the bench, whether the kings are coached by malone, corbin, karl, jackson, mullin, or anybody else. when he's healthy and at his best, demarcus has miraculously transformed himself into one of the toughest defensive bigs in the nba. he makes this team click on both sides of the ball, but when he's huffing and puffing out there as a result of heavy minutes and/or the pace of the game, expect his defensive performance to slide, especially considering how mighty an offensive load he has to shoulder for this team...
the kings are in the middle of a lengthy home stand in which they're getting some rest in between games, and demarcus is likely still in the process of recovering his wind after viral meningitis knocked him (and the team as a whole) on its ass. but when the kings are on a long road trip, when they're playing back-to-backs, when they hit one of those four-games-in-five-nights stretches, do you think demarcus' effort and performance will benefit from playing consistent "up-tempo" basketball, or do you think he just might benefit from a more measured style of play?
to some, it may certainly seem as if demarcus reverts back to bad habits from time to time, giving less effort on defense, shooting mid-range jumpers instead of regularly banging down low. but perhaps all 6'11", 270 lbs of demarcus cousins is simply better able to boogie when the pace of the game allows him to catch the occasional breath. few teams rely on their superstar more than the kings do, and the pace at which the kings play can, most assuredly, be dictated by their defensive intensity, with cousins as its anchor...
cuz is the team's defensive anchor. yes, mike malone did have the entire starting five playing the strongest defense we've seen in sacramento in some time before he was fired, but with this particular roster, the drop-off in defensive play is immense when cousins hits the bench, whether the kings are coached by malone, corbin, karl, jackson, mullin, or anybody else. when he's healthy and at his best, demarcus has miraculously transformed himself into one of the toughest defensive bigs in the nba. he makes this team click on both sides of the ball, but when he's huffing and puffing out there as a result of heavy minutes and/or the pace of the game, expect his defensive performance to slide, especially considering how mighty an offensive load he has to shoulder for this team...
the kings are in the middle of a lengthy home stand in which they're getting some rest in between games, and demarcus is likely still in the process of recovering his wind after viral meningitis knocked him (and the team as a whole) on its ass. but when the kings are on a long road trip, when they're playing back-to-backs, when they hit one of those four-games-in-five-nights stretches, do you think demarcus' effort and performance will benefit from playing consistent "up-tempo" basketball, or do you think he just might benefit from a more measured style of play?
to some, it may certainly seem as if demarcus reverts back to bad habits from time to time, giving less effort on defense, shooting mid-range jumpers instead of regularly banging down low. but perhaps all 6'11", 270 lbs of demarcus cousins is simply better able to boogie when the pace of the game allows him to catch the occasional breath. few teams rely on their superstar more than the kings do, and the pace at which the kings play can, most assuredly, be dictated by their defensive intensity, with cousins as its anchor...
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Pace
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You can't base your whole system around one player. That's what desperate franchises do.
