Up-tempo worked for us tonight

[GQ_Gabriel]

And you know what, we were 4-1 at that time. How did Corbin's first five games go? I forget.

When Corbin wins 4 of 5 then maybe it's time for I told you so's. Until then...

I understand that you're pro-Malone but don't lose touch with reality because of your devotion. It doesn't surprise me, but I'm baffled as to why you're only pointing out the positives in relation to Coach Malone.

I think we all knew about our hot start. Whoopee. The 76ers started off hot last year too, iirc.

 

[Hadlowe]

In general I've never seen a strong correlation between pace and wins in the NBA and so far with the Kings increasing the pace (with an admittedly small sample size) has not yielded consistently positive results.

I wouldn't be surprised to see an inverse probability of pace:wins when a team's scoring strength is in the frontcourt. Quick, somebody get me some advanced stats.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I understand that you're pro-Malone but don't lose touch with reality because of your devotion. It doesn't surprise me, but I'm baffled as to why you're only pointing out the positives in relation to Coach Malone.

The irony, it burns!

 

[Gilles]

I understand that you're pro-Malone but don't lose touch with reality because of your devotion. It doesn't surprise me, but I'm baffled as to why you're only pointing out the positives in relation to Coach Malone.

I think we all knew about our hot start. Whoopee. The 76ers started off hot last year too, iirc.

Whoopie, Sixers wins came at 4-2(that's your hot start with 5 out of 6 games being at home), 5-4(home/away - 7-2), 6-8(h/a 8-5). Notice a trend? Kings were 9-6 (h/a split of 6-9 and with very lopsided SOS on top of that). Please don't come in with this cheap argument.

 

[Chubbs]

I understand that you're pro-Malone but don't lose touch with reality because of your devotion. It doesn't surprise me, but I'm baffled as to why you're only pointing out the positives in relation to Coach Malone.

I think we all knew about our hot start. Whoopee. The 76ers started off hot last year too, iirc.

You are quite amusing at this point.

You wait till the one game where the Corbin led team didn't look like the worst team in the league? Bravo. People here aren't quite that dense.

And I'm devoted to the Kings. Not Malone. Give me a break. The results are undeniable at this point that the Corbin era led to a major ten game playoff chance killing regression. And one good game.

Let's see if that continues. I Will be praising Corbin if he can continue the positive trend from the last game. They could get a little momentum building run and not make this a lost season. Remains to be seen. It's on the players. They came out like they cared again. Maybe they do, or maybe it was a fluke.

 

[ESP47]

Yeah, I was that guy.

I never said "If a coach costs us ONE win." The thing is, it wasn't just ONE game with Malone. His in-game decisions and rotations were repeatedly costing us and putting the team in bad positions, literally. (See Memphis Thread)

I loved the fact that we maintained a lead throughout the game and managed to avoid a collapse as we have become so accustomed to. I caught myself waiting for a letdown that never came. That was refreshing to me.

By the way, I'm not bashing Malone, I'm just pointing out his shortcomings that I wasn't so fond of. Right now, too many people are making Malone sound like a god. I loved the fact that he connected with our players, DMC especially, and had them playing hard, and I agree that he might have gotten canned prematurely, I'm just trying to stay as positive as possible.

No one thinks Malone was Popovich or anything. But he was the best coach we've had in years and the team was playing the best they had in years under him.

We had two completely flukey games where we blew big leads under Malone. Big deal. We were still off to the hottest start in over a decade. You're taking two games and making it seem like it was Malone's M.O. or something. The majority of our wins were against playoff teams. The guy had the team playing pretty damn well so don't try an diminish that.

 

[rainmaker]

I understand that you're pro-Malone but don't lose touch with reality because of your devotion. It doesn't surprise me, but I'm baffled as to why you're only pointing out the positives in relation to Coach Malone.

I think we all knew about our hot start. Whoopee. The 76ers started off hot last year too, iirc.

Damn right, "whoopee".

We waited 8 years for a start like that, then it was blown up because it wasn't sexy enough.

The problem, once again isn't Malone's strengths and weaknesses but rather flushing the season down the toilet and not having a better alternative lined up. It isn't about did Malone have weaknesses, of course he did, it's about is he better than the alternative. If Karl was on our sidelines, most could deal with it, even with the timing. But when it's Corbin, a wasted season and a likely other coach next year? Unacceptable, through and through.

BTW, why aren't you campaigning for Corbin to be fired due to his weaknesses? Actually, you should get busy jumping from NBA forum to NBA forum and campaigning for 90% of coaches to get fired for their perceived weaknesses, midseason, as apparently timing matters little to you. Start with OKC and firing Brooks, as their offense is far from sexy. Then go to the Memphis forums, as their offense for some inexplicable reason ignores pace and Joerger isn't pushing NBA 3.0 enough. Come back and tell us what the reaction is.

It would also help if you tell us who your coaching candidates are, who don't have weaknesses. Fill us in on these near perfect candidates we have a shot at, then explain why they aren't here right now.

 

[randymoss1881]

I hate to be the one to say this, but...

We held on to the lead from start to finish tonight. Say all you want about OKC playing poorly, but we never saw that under Coach Malone. Just sayin'.

I'd like to add one more thing. When Landry is in there getting buckets, he gives this team a MUCH better chance to win. He is a scoring option on a very limited bench. He's going to be key for us in a lot of these games.

Coach Pop has cost the spurs 2 games this season. Coach Pop cost the spurs game 6 of 2013 nba finals. Coach Vogel cost pacers game 1 of 2013 ECF. Should they be fired also?

It's a miracle how Malone had this garbage roster playing yet you want to blame him for loosing a 20pt lead. You loose that big of a lead and its on the players. If you want to be real how bout you give Malone credit we had no business having a lead like that vs those teams. Maybe if PDA got him some bench players those leads would have been sustained. And if you agree with the FO and think Jackson/Mullin are better coaches than Malone you will be in for a ****ing suprise. Malone will be an elite coach he could have been coaching GS/Clippers right now elite teams/players wanted him and he worked wonders here. Wait till he lands in a stable franchise than you will be saying what the ****.

 

[randymoss1881]

I understand that you're pro-Malone but don't lose touch with reality because of your devotion. It doesn't surprise me, but I'm baffled as to why you're only pointing out the positives in relation to Coach Malone.

I think we all knew about our hot start. Whoopee. The 76ers started off hot last year too, iirc.

Did the 76ers have the toughest schedule when this happened?

Did the 76ers have a second option that is an all star?

Most importantly did the 76ers have a top 10 player? In fact did that player play like a top 3 player.

If they had none of that than there's no comparing us to them it's lazy and proves nothing.

 

[GQ_Gabriel]

Start with OKC and firing Brooks, as their offense is far from sexy. Then go to the Memphis forums, as their offense for some inexplicable reason ignores pace and Joerger isn't pushing NBA 3.0 enough. Come back and tell us what the reaction is.

Lol. I do go around other teams' forums. Plenty of OKC fans want Brooks fired. I'm sure you didn't know that.

They've gone as far enough as to even hope for losses to pile up so that he gets canned. OKC fans say he doesn't show enough emotion while coaching, and that he should have taken a technical to fire up the team during their last game against us. Their offense IS ugly and they want a more fluid passing team as well.

 

[Spike]

Whoosh.

 

[sdballer]

I understand that you're pro-Malone but don't lose touch with reality because of your devotion. It doesn't surprise me, but I'm baffled as to why you're only pointing out the positives in relation to Coach Malone.

I think we all knew about our hot start. Whoopee. The 76ers started off hot last year too, iirc.

I think you should lie down and think about some of your posts before you make them.

 

[GQ_Gabriel]

I think you should lie down and think about some of your posts before you make them.

Listen, I don't want to hi-jack this thread.

In no way was I comparing the 76ers of last year to the Sacramento Kings.

What I'm saying is that a hot start means nothing in this league. We played great to open the gates, and rightfully so, that can be attributed to a list of things, but a lot of you guys have some sort of delusional belief that Coach Malone was perfect.

 

[sdballer]

but a lot of you guys have some sort of delusional belief that Coach Malone was perfect.

Really? Find posts on this site that say anything close to that. When you can't, stop using that as a justification for your arguments.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Whoosh.

 

[GQ_Gabriel]

Really? Find posts on this site that say anything close to that. When you can't, stop using that as a justification for you arguments.

I'll use you, as an example. Not once have I seen you criticize Malone, all I've seen is praise. We have to give credit where credit is due, but if we're doing so, let's make sure we hold people accountable as well.

 

[kupman]

No one thinks Malone was Popovich or anything. But he was the best coach we've had in years and the team was playing the best they had in years under him.

We had two completely flukey games where we blew big leads under Malone. Big deal. We were still off to the hottest start in over a decade. You're taking two games and making it seem like it was Malone's M.O. or something. The majority of our wins were against playoff teams. The guy had the team playing pretty damn well so don't try an diminish that.

Maybe this is why I have not been too upset with the Malone firing. I am not sure that he was the best coach we have had in years. Maybe he was? I don't know. What feel confident about though is this is the most talent the Kings have had in years. This is by far and away the primary reason that we got off to the better start. Maybe the team was winning in spite of Malone? And by the way, the new FO regime is the reason why we have more talent now.

Our playoff chances took a hit because of a virus.

 

[Chubbs]

Lol. I do go around other teams' forums. Plenty of OKC fans want Brooks fired. I'm sure you didn't know that.

They've gone as far enough as to even hope for losses to pile up so that he gets canned. OKC fans say he doesn't show enough emotion while coaching, and that he should have taken a technical to fire up the team during their last game against us. Their offense IS ugly and they want a more fluid passing team as well.

Every fan base is impulsive. That's what they do.

You just don't want your front office to be just as impulsive. But we passed that point awhile back, didn't we?

Getting a little tired of your strawmen argument that everyone says Malone is perfect. I'd say without a doubt, precisely zero people have said that. The belief was that we were better off letting him work through his inexperience.

You know, like how we are doing with the players and GM?

And for chrissakes, I'm not even pro-Malone. There's a subtle difference between not wanting to fire a guy and 100% support. Yes, I 100% supported not firing him. That does not imply I, or anyone else, thought he was "perfect."

 

[sdballer]

I'll use you, as an example. Not once have I seen you criticize Malone, all I've seen is praise. We have to give credit where credit is due, but if we're doing so, let's make sure we hold people accountable as well.

You do realize that isn't even close to saying he's perfect, right? See that's the problem with throwing out stupid straw men. They are easy to burn down.

To answer your other point, I frequently commented on his suspect rotations and late game offense. They just weren't issues you fire someone for, especially in the context of the things going well.

 

[GQ_Gabriel]

Maybe this is why I have not been too upset with the Malone firing. I am not sure that he was the best coach we have had in years. Maybe he was? I don't know. What feel confident about though is this is the most talent the Kings have had in years. This is by far and away the primary reason that we got off to the better start. Maybe the team was winning in spite of Malone? And by the way, the new FO regime is the reason why we have more talent now.

Our playoff chances to the biggest hit because of a virus.

Thank you!!!

Perfectly stated. I'm dead serious. This is what a lot of people don't understand. Everyone please take a second to re-read this post and let it sink.

 

[sdballer]

Maybe this is why I have not been too upset with the Malone firing. I am not sure that he was the best coach we have had in years. Maybe he was? I don't know. What feel confident about though is this is the most talent the Kings have had in years. This is by far and away the primary reason that we got off to the better start. Maybe the team was winning in spite of Malone? And by the way, the new FO regime is the reason why we have more talent now.

Our playoff chances took a hit because of a virus.

By that argument, who coaches the team doesn't really matter. Same talent under Malone and Corbin (due to the FO) means we should have similar performance.

Right?

Also who from Westphal, natt, theus, miss and smart do you think may have been better coaches?

 

[sdballer]

Thank you!!!

Perfectly stated. I'm dead serious. This is what a lot of people don't understand. Everyone please take a second to re-read this post and let it sink.

We need an unlike button.

 

[GQ_Gabriel]

To reiterate what he just said,

The Kings have more talent this year than any Kings team in recent memory. Coach Malone could be the best Coach we've had since Adelman, that's fine. Is he the primary and one reason why we were kidding? Rubbish. Just gotta know what your talking about, man.

 

[Spike]

To reiterate what he just said,

The Kings have more talent this year than any Kings team in recent memory. Coach Malone could be the best Coach we've had since Adelman, that's fine. Is he the primary and one reason why we were kidding? Rubbish. Just gotta know what your talking about, man.

 

[Spike]

I'll use you, as an example. Not once have I seen you criticize Malone, all I've seen is praise. We have to give credit where credit is due, but if we're doing so, let's make sure we hold people accountable as well.

By this logic, Corbin shouldn't have made it to the last game.

 

[lawlman91]

This thread does have a whole lot of pace.

Don't say the P-word!

 

[GQ_Gabriel]

This poster took the words right out of my mouth so I will post it for you.

Maybe this is why I have not been too upset with the Malone firing. I am not sure that he was the best coach we have had in years. Maybe he was? I don't know. What feel confident about though is this is the most talent the Kings have had in years. This is by far and away the primary reason that we got off to the better start. Maybe the team was winning in spite of Malone? And by the way, the new FO regime is the reason why we have more talent now.

Our playoff chances to the biggest hit because of a virus.

 

[sdballer]

By this logic, Corbin shouldn't have made it to the last game.

No by that logic basically no coaches would make it to their next game.

 

[Spike]

Maybe this is why I have not been too upset with the Malone firing. I am not sure that he was the best coach we have had in years. Maybe he was? I don't know.

Yes. He was. Better than Theus, Natt, Westphal, Musselman, Smart. Easily. The fact that better teams wanted him to potentially take their teams to the next level should be an indicator. Who's asking for Smart to take over? What was the last team Musselman coached? Ditto everyone else. Malone will be coaching next year.

What feel confident about though is this is the most talent the Kings have had in years. This is by far and away the primary reason that we got off to the better start. Maybe the team was winning in spite of Malone? And by the way, the new FO regime is the reason why we have more talent now.

Our playoff chances took a hit because of a virus.

So if our playoff chances took a hit because of a virus, why blame the coach?
Is the team now winning in spite of Corbin?

 

[rainmaker]

Lol. I do go around other teams' forums. Plenty of OKC fans want Brooks fired. I'm sure you didn't know that.

They've gone as far enough as to even hope for losses to pile up so that he gets canned. OKC fans say he doesn't show enough emotion while coaching, and that he should have taken a technical to fire up the team during their last game against us. Their offense IS ugly and they want a more fluid passing team as well.

The issue isn't just firing Brooks or any coach, it's firing the coach without a plan, an upgrade replacement in place and blowing up the season.

It would be more accurate if you asked OKC fans if they're willing to do all of the above, because they want more fluid passing. The answer there would be an obvious "no". They won't sacrifice this season and the playoffs to chase a few more passes in a halfcourt set.

The greater point of course is every single coach has weaknesses, and every single coach makes decisions fans don't always agree with. Even Pop. You appear to be arguing a greater point of anytime a coach screws up or any coach who has a weakness, should be fired at any time and blowing up the season is simply collateral damage.

BTW, why doesn't your impatience extend to both Corbin and PDA? Each one has cost us games and made mistakes which appears to be your standard. So why not fire everyone? We are a losing team after all. Malone isn't the only one who's made mistakes and that's where your argument falls apart. You aren't asking for everyone who's made mistakes to get canned, only Malone. How about the guy who built a 3-18 team without Cuz over the last two years?