[NBA] Trade Deadline Season 2026 Open Thread

Look, I'm not discounting that picks have value. And they can bring a good return either in a drafted player or in trade. But this particular idea is just too much risk and too little return in my eyes. That's just me. Others obviously may feel differently.
 
Warhawk said:
How about we just keep our all-star talent instead of such a minimal return? I mean, it's kind of obvious. ;) You're hoping to draft someone as good as Domas on an acknowledged "crap shoot" when you have that in hand already!

When you're "asset poor", trading the best all-star talent you have for a single unknown pick in a "crap shoot" isn't my idea of a good plan. 🤷‍♂️
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Do you think Domas is still an all-star level player? In other words, will ever make the all star team again?

I think his position on the all-star team in the past was contingent on generating his numbers on a winning team. Which isn't happening with the Kings any time soon
 
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Insomniacal Fan said:
Do you think Domas is still an all-star level player? In other words, will ever make the all star team again?

I think his position on the all-star team in the past was contingent on generating his numbers on a winning team. Which isn't happening with the Kings any time oon
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All-star level? Maybe. Maybe not. Will he get the votes again? Doubtful. But he's still the caliber of player you PRAY you can draft. And we already have him. Now, if you can trade him for multiple good FR picks, maybe. But I wouldn't do it for just one still-unknown FR pick. Too big a gamble on unknown return.
 
What I’ve heard about Risacher is that he’s an excellent defensive wing…..I don’t know but it’s what I’ve heard. If it was the Pels pick you take that and run. If it’s the pick at like 18, you ask for a bit more but I think you have to do it. Domas will keep us in the middle of the pack. You clear salary and get that return and you do your due diligence in the draft.

If the Kings were able to mail 2 picks I’m top7ish, you potentially set this team up for sustainability. Only way we can accomplish that
 
Warhawk said:
How about we just keep our all-star talent instead of such a minimal return? I mean, it's kind of obvious. ;) You're hoping to draft someone as good as Domas on an acknowledged "crap shoot" when you have that in hand already!

When you're "asset poor", trading the best all-star talent you have for a single unknown pick in a "crap shoot" isn't my idea of a good plan. 🤷‍♂️
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Well... because the Kings are 8-30 and aren't going to win anything of note while Domas remains their best player. So the question is, where do they find a better "best player"? They traded De'Aaron Fox for Zach LaVine, who is not a better "best player". So where do we find such a player? What are we doing here? Domas is almost 30, which isn't exactly old, but he definitely doesn't align particularly well with the timeline the Kings will be on as soon as the 2026 draft arrives, and he's the only valuable asset the Kings possess outside of their future first rounders (should be a "no trade" policy around those) and Keegan Murray (who I think most of us would prefer to keep since he's the only two-way wing the Kings have had in what feels like decades).

When you're asset poor, you have to make lemonade with what you can. There's nothing that can be done about their past asset mismanagement. They've got to press forward, which requires draft capital, and as much of it as they can get their hands on. With no chance at meaningful free agents, few valuable trade pieces, and while operating under these current CBA constraints, first round draft picks are now everything to this team's future success. If the Kings could pull a 2026 lottery pick in a Domas trade (which, as I've said, I find unlikely), it would 100% be a no-brainer.

I mean, short of trading Domas for future draft capital, what do you imagine the Kings should do to acquire more young, high-level talent? Where does it come from? What kind of young, desirable "known quantity" is Domas, currently injured, even likely to pull as a return via trade?
 
Padrino said:
Well... because the Kings are 8-30 and aren't going to win anything of note while Domas remains their best player. So the question is, where do they find a better "best player"? They traded De'Aaron Fox for Zach LaVine, who is not a better "best player". So where do we find such a player? What are we doing here? Domas is almost 30, which isn't exactly old, but he definitely doesn't align particularly well with the timeline the Kings will be on as soon as the 2026 draft arrives, and he's the only valuable asset the Kings possess outside of their future first rounders (should be a "no trade" policy around those) and Keegan Murray (who I think most of us would prefer to keep since he's the only two-way wing the Kings have had in what feels like decades).

When you're asset poor, you have to make lemonade with what you can. There's nothing that can be done about their past asset mismanagement. They've got to press forward, which requires draft capital, and as much of it as they can get their hands on. With no chance at meaningful free agents, few valuable trade pieces, and while operating under these current CBA constraints, first round draft picks are now everything to this team's future success. If the Kings could pull a 2026 lottery pick in a Domas trade (which, as I've said, I find unlikely), it would 100% be a no-brainer.

I mean, short of trading Domas for future draft capital, what do you imagine the Kings should do to acquire more young, high-level talent? Where does it come from? What kind of young, desirable "known quantity" is Domas, currently injured, even likely to pull as a return via trade?
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I don't know. I don't follow the rest of the league too closely and certainly not other teams with any diligence. But if all you can effectively get from him in return is one unknown FRP, that's not enough for me. Unless you can use all that cap space to pull in a player worth the lost talent in Domas? We really haven't had any luck with that, and I doubt that changes in the next year or two. But an ender, a player I know nothing about but isn't apparently "wowing" anyone, and one unknown FRP just isn't enough for my taste.

I'm not saying I'm right. I may be WAY off in valuations. This is just my opinion. People are already mad we didn't get more in return for Fox, and Domas is a better, more consistent player in my eyes.

But to me it's like trading a great older Corvette you are making payments on (that should be good for years yet) for:
  • a Yugo heading to the junkyard,
  • a 5-year-old Toyota Camry you'll be making payments on, and
  • a 1 in 30 chance of getting a new Corvette at a discounted price for the first 4 years.
Do you take that bet? I want a better chance of getting something good in return. If we do this, and don't get the new Corvette, then what?
 
Warhawk said:
I don't know. I don't follow the rest of the league too closely and certainly not other teams with any diligence. But if all you can effectively get from him in return is one unknown FRP, that's not enough for me. Unless you can use all that cap space to pull in a player worth the lost talent in Domas? We really haven't had any luck with that, and I doubt that changes in the next year or two. But an ender, a player I know nothing about but isn't apparently "wowing" anyone, and one unknown FRP just isn't enough for my taste.

I'm not saying I'm right. I may be WAY off in valuations. This is just my opinion. People are already mad we didn't get more in return for Fox, and Domas is a better, more consistent player in my eyes.

But to me it's like trading a great older Corvette you are making payments on (that should be good for years yet) for:
  • a Yugo heading to the junkyard,
  • a 5-year-old Toyota Camry you'll be making payments on, and
  • a 1 in 30 chance of getting a new Corvette at a discounted price for the first 4 years.
Do you take that bet? I want a better chance of getting something good in return. If we do this, and don't get the new Corvette, then what?
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On the one hand, with respect to @Insomniacal Fan's question, I think that the new rules make the question of "Is Sabonis still an All-Star?" kind of unfair. He's definitely still putting up All-Star numbers, and it's not like he's been a "looter in a riot," largely putting up empty stats like LaVine has: he's only had a losing record three times in his career, only once when he played at least 65 games...

On the other hand, I've never thought that Sabonis was actually that good, personally. I don't think that there's been any point in his career that I ever thought he was better than a Top-10 Center in the league, and only one or two seasons that I ever even thought of him as Top 5. Like, there are currently fourteen big men that I currently include in the nightly listing and, allowing for health, I'd take at least six of them ahead of Sabonis, without even having to think about it.

IMO you do yourself a disservice by not paying more attention to the rest of the league: I remember years ago when I was still heavily into my Kings fandom, I had a similar attitude, and my best friend simply asked me, "Don't you think it would make you a more informed Kings fan to pay closer attention to what other teams are doing?" I don't know if you even care to be a more informed fan, but that argument worked on me. I think that Sabonis may have a reputation around the league as a limited albeit skilled player, who is not necessarily a player who can be plugged into a system, and isn't necessarily good enough to be the guy you run your offense through, which sort of puts a cap on how good a player you can get for him in return. He's kind of in this weird place of being too good to get fair value for him while also not good enough to get fair value for him.

... On the other other hand, I don't pay attention to college basketball at all (I'm just opposed to it in principle), so I don't know anything about these kids until they actually get to the league, which causes me to share your reticence about placing all your faith in a draft pick. It tends to feel too "Jack and the Beanstalk" to me.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
On the one hand, with respect to @Insomniacal Fan's question, I think that the new rules make the question of "Is Sabonis still an All-Star?" kind of unfair. He's definitely still putting up All-Star numbers, and it's not like he's been a "looter in a riot," largely putting up empty stats like LaVine has: he's only had a losing record three times in his career, only once when he played at least 65 games...

On the other hand, I've never thought that Sabonis was actually that good, personally. I don't think that there's been any point in his career that I ever thought he was better than a Top-10 Center in the league, and only one or two seasons that I ever even thought of him as Top 5. Like, there are currently fourteen big men that I currently include in the nightly listing and, allowing for health, I'd take at least six of them ahead of Sabonis, without even having to think about it.

IMO you do yourself a disservice by not paying more attention to the rest of the league: I remember years ago when I was still heavily into my Kings fandom, I had a similar attitude, and my best friend simply asked me, "Don't you think it would make you a more informed Kings fan to pay closer attention to what other teams are doing?" I don't know if you even care to be a more informed fan, but that argument worked on me. I think that Sabonis may have a reputation around the league as a limited albeit skilled player, who is not necessarily a player who can be plugged into a system, and isn't necessarily good enough to be the guy you run your offense through, which sort of puts a cap on how good a player you can get for him in return. He's kind of in this weird place of being too good to get fair value for him while also not good enough to get fair value for him.

... On the other other hand, I don't pay attention to college basketball at all (I'm just opposed to it in principle), so I don't know anything about these kids until they actually get to the league, which causes me to share your reticence about placing all your faith in a draft pick. It tends to feel too "Jack and the Beanstalk" to me.
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I understand your thoughtful post and thank you for it. Well stated, and likely very much true.

To the bolded, I really don't. I don't have time. I don't have the patience. And I don't really care, frankly. I follow the Kings because I love the Kings. I don't love the Hornets, or the Wiz, or the Cavs. I don't have time to watch them, or keep up with player instagrams, or whatever the heck everyone else does. I don't care to, because they don't matter to me.

Does that make me less "informed" about certain topics? Yep. Oh well. I also don't know much about astrophysics or the life cycles of deep-sea jellyfish. 🤷‍♂️ I'm OK with that as well.

My opinion on this means nothing in the overall scheme of things. It's just an opinion and point of view from being a Kings fan since 1985. I've seen decades of ineptitude and draft hype that almost inevitably leaves fans deflated and looking for the next draft "fix".

The team and management aren't asking me my opinion. I don't have any veto power. They'll do what they want. More power to them. It's a game. Played by rich people. We watch for entertainment.

Also, as I am sure you know - I pay about as much attention to college ball as you do, so we're in the same boat regarding the faith in "picks".
 
Warhawk said:
Does that make me less "informed" about certain topics? Yep. Oh well. I also don't know much about astrophysics or the life cycles of deep-sea jellyfish. 🤷‍♂️ I'm OK with that as well.
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Fair enough, but how many deep-sea jellyfish message boards do you post on?
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Fair enough, but how many deep-sea jellyfish message boards do you post on?
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None. But if I did, my opinion there would mean just as much as mine does here.

I also don’t post on Hornets, or the Wiz, or the Cavs boards.
 
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Mr. S£im Citrus said:
On the one hand, with respect to @Insomniacal Fan's question, I think that the new rules make the question of "Is Sabonis still an All-Star?" kind of unfair. He's definitely still putting up All-Star numbers, and it's not like he's been a "looter in a riot," largely putting up empty stats like LaVine has: he's only had a losing record three times in his career, only once when he played at least 65 games...

On the other hand, I've never thought that Sabonis was actually that good, personally. I don't think that there's been any point in his career that I ever thought he was better than a Top-10 Center in the league, and only one or two seasons that I ever even thought of him as Top 5. Like, there are currently fourteen big men that I currently include in the nightly listing and, allowing for health, I'd take at least six of them ahead of Sabonis, without even having to think about it.

IMO you do yourself a disservice by not paying more attention to the rest of the league: I remember years ago when I was still heavily into my Kings fandom, I had a similar attitude, and my best friend simply asked me, "Don't you think it would make you a more informed Kings fan to pay closer attention to what other teams are doing?" I don't know if you even care to be a more informed fan, but that argument worked on me. I think that Sabonis may have a reputation around the league as a limited albeit skilled player, who is not necessarily a player who can be plugged into a system, and isn't necessarily good enough to be the guy you run your offense through, which sort of puts a cap on how good a player you can get for him in return. He's kind of in this weird place of being too good to get fair value for him while also not good enough to get fair value for him.

... On the other other hand, I don't pay attention to college basketball at all (I'm just opposed to it in principle), so I don't know anything about these kids until they actually get to the league, which causes me to share your reticence about placing all your faith in a draft pick. It tends to feel too "Jack and the Beanstalk" to me.
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Since you are an NBA guy, what's your opinion on Risacher thus far, or are you too blacked out from ATL to have an opinion (iirc that's the one team you can't regularly watch?) I know he's probably never going to overcome the stigma of being #1 overall in a draft lacking in starpower and that might color the opinion he is a bust, but I feel like the proposed deal is an expiring deal (KP), a guy who is being given up on after 1.5 seasons, and a pick that is virtually guaranteed to be outside the lottery at best which cuts it out from the top 10 college players.

That's my reluctance on this deal that feels like a straight salary dump to me.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Since you are an NBA guy, what's your opinion on Risacher thus far, or are you too blacked out from ATL to have an opinion (iirc that's the one team you can't regularly watch?) I know he's probably never going to overcome the stigma of being #1 overall in a draft lacking in starpower and that might color the opinion he is a bust, but I feel like the proposed deal is an expiring deal (KP), a guy who is being given up on after 1.5 seasons, and a pick that is virtually guaranteed to be outside the lottery at best which cuts it out from the top 10 college players.

That's my reluctance on this deal that feels like a straight salary dump to me.
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I don't have an opinion on Risacher: every Hawks game except two has been blacked out for me, and one of the two I could watch, I didn't because I was watching Fox and the Spurs instead. The one game I did see he looked kind of sorry, but it's probably unfair to base my opinion on that.
 
Tetsujin said:
Get the feeling this was the package they were trying to get the Mavs to take for AD rather than the desperation trade they’d offer for Zach Lavine.
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Yeah- they have been linked to Domas and AD, so I think they are looking for a big man upgrade. Salary wise, a Quickly for Domas trade would need to add about $12M more in incoming salary to the Kings. You could do Poeltl, which Toronto would love, but I would expect we would need multiple picks because Quickly has more years left than Domas, and we would be adding almost $10M more to our books next year, before Poeltl expires in 2027. Or you could try for Murray-Boyles.

So option #1
Domas for Quickly (expires in 2029) Poeltl (expires in 2027) and 2026 and 2028 FRP

Option #2
Domas for Quickly, Agbaji, Murray-Boyles and 2026 FRP.

I personally like option #2, but don't think Toronto is that desperate to get Domas (or AD). Depends on how much they like Murray-Boyles. Agbaji is expendable to them, but could have a real role here. I think Toronto would be thrilled to do option #1.
 
Rain man said:
Yeah- they have been linked to Domas and AD, so I think they are looking for a big man upgrade. Salary wise, a Quickly for Domas trade would need to add about $12M more in incoming salary to the Kings. You could do Poeltl, which Toronto would love, but I would expect we would need multiple picks because Quickly has more years left than Domas, and we would be adding almost $10M more to our books next year, before Poeltl expires in 2027. Or you could try for Murray-Boyles.

So option #1
Domas for Quickly (expires in 2029) Poeltl (expires in 2027) and 2026 and 2028 FRP

Option #2
Domas for Quickly, Agbaji, Murray-Boyles and 2026 FRP.

I personally like option #2, but don't think Toronto is that desperate to get Domas (or AD). Depends on how much they like Murray-Boyles. Agbaji is expendable to them, but could have a real role here. I think Toronto would be thrilled to do option #1.
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Just saw Poeltl is on the hook for 4 more seasons. Again, good player, but if we're taking on that salary (which Perry has expressed we're NOT interested in doing) going to have start with 2 FRP and Murray-Boyles as the sweeteners to even start this deal.
 
The_Jamal said:
Am i dumb? Has he really been that bad?

I'd gladly take his extra year on the books for a pick for LaVine. Granted, haven't followed IQ closely this year, but he's a very good player.
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I don't think anyone thinks he's bad, it's just the contract he's on is pretty hefty.

I think he's a league average starting PG, which means he'd probably be the best player on our team. His contract looks bad now but it wont have quite the same cap hit in a couple of years.

I'd try and get an extra pick out of them for the deal.
 
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