The Slightly-Too-Early Offseason Coaching Thoughts Thread

Kingster

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I'm putting David Adelman into the hopper for the next Kings' coach. Twenty years of coaching experience. Five years under Malone. Known for his defensive emphasis. Obviously knows how to design an offense for a an elite passing big man. And for the sentimental types, his name hearkens to the King glory years.

P.S. I heard this one from James Ham and thought it actually makes sense, unlike the Christie banter.
 
EIM86

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Kingster said:
I'm putting David Adelman into the hopper for the next Kings' coach. Twenty years of coaching experience. Five years under Malone. Known for his defensive emphasis. Obviously knows how to design an offense for a an elite passing big man. And for the sentimental types, his name hearkens to the King glory years.

P.S. I heard this one from James Ham and thought it actually makes sense, unlike the Christie banter.
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As long as it’s Monte choosing I’m down. I have a strange feeling we gonna get D’Antoni though mainly cause we are due for a NO WAY moment
 
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Folsomkingsfan

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Kingster said:
I'm putting David Adelman into the hopper for the next Kings' coach. Twenty years of coaching experience. Five years under Malone. Known for his defensive emphasis. Obviously knows how to design an offense for a an elite passing big man. And for the sentimental types, his name hearkens to the King glory years.

P.S. I heard this one from James Ham and thought it actually makes sense, unlike the Christie banter.
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I mentioned this a few weeks ago in the roster construction thread for the same reasons. When building a team around a skilled passing big man Denver is obviously the blueprint. Hiring the lead assistant from that team makes A TON of sense. The relationship to Rick only makes it better. But I think I would still prefer Doug first. Motivation and commanding a locker room go a really, really long way in this league, and Doug has the natural charisma to be a fantastic leader of a young(ish) team. My dream scenario would be Doug promoted to head coach and David Adelman as his top assistant, potential successor.
 
Capt. Factorial

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Folsomkingsfan said:
I mentioned this a few weeks ago in the roster construction thread for the same reasons. When building a team around a skilled passing big man Denver is obviously the blueprint. Hiring the lead assistant from that team makes A TON of sense. The relationship to Rick only makes it better. But I think I would still prefer Doug first. Motivation and commanding a locker room go a really, really long way in this league, and Doug has the natural charisma to be a fantastic leader of a young(ish) team. My dream scenario would be Doug promoted to head coach and David Adelman as his top assistant, potential successor.
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I don't know if Christie over D. Adelman makes any sense. Adelman has, as has been pointed out, 20 years of coaching experience, has been in the NBA since 2011, and has worked his way up to lead assistant. Christie, much as we love him, has one year of coaching experience. Adelman is likely looking around for a head coaching gig, not another lead assistant job. Why would he leave Denver and come here to be an assistant under Christie, who, much as I love him, hasn't paid the dues?

That said, Adelman is at the very least an interesting name for the offseason, and I'd love to retain Christie and his motivation on the bench as an assistant.
 
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Capt. Factorial said:
I don't know if Christie over D. Adelman makes any sense. Adelman has, as has been pointed out, 20 years of coaching experience, has been in the NBA since 2011, and has worked his way up to lead assistant. Christie, much as we love him, has one year of coaching experience. Adelman is likely looking around for a head coaching gig, not another lead assistant job. Why would he leave Denver and come here to be an assistant under Christie, who, much as I love him, hasn't paid the dues?

That said, Adelman is at the very least an interesting name for the offseason, and I'd love to retain Christie and his motivation on the bench as an assistant.
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I just think motivating a team and being the type of guy your team will want to play hard for goes a very long way in the NBA. Guys with that type of Type A personality and knowledge of the game, especially defensively, come around far less often than assistant coaches who are good X's and O's guys. That said, I'm definitely open to Adelman and he is probably my second favorite choice to take the team over. I just see a lot of potential with Doug, from what I see on the sidelines and what I've heard him say as a broadcaster.
 
Kingster

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Folsomkingsfan said:
I mentioned this a few weeks ago in the roster construction thread for the same reasons. When building a team around a skilled passing big man Denver is obviously the blueprint. Hiring the lead assistant from that team makes A TON of sense. The relationship to Rick only makes it better. But I think I would still prefer Doug first. Motivation and commanding a locker room go a really, really long way in this league, and Doug has the natural charisma to be a fantastic leader of a young(ish) team. My dream scenario would be Doug promoted to head coach and David Adelman as his top assistant, potential successor.
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I wouldn't mind the reverse, keeping Christie as an assistant, as long as it's Adelman's decision. I don't view Christie as a commanding presence whose charisma overwhelms his lack of coaching experience. Enthusiastic, yes. But commanding, no.
 
ockingsfan

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iowamcnabb said:
You wonder with his dad’s exit and Malone’s firing if David would have any interest in the Kings.
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Adelman was fired by the Magoof brothers, so Vivek hands are clean. From what I have seen of Rick since, he still loves the Sacramento fans and area. I'm sure Rick will have more input on his decision than Malone, also I think David grew up in Sacramento too.
 
pdxKingsFan

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iowamcnabb said:
You wonder with his dad’s exit and Malone’s firing if David would have any interest in the Kings.
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Most of the people who drove that are gone. I think Malone was Vivek's hire but the morons call on the way out. He might have mixed leanings but you gotta figure that the Adelman name is going to give David a little runway for takeoff (and memories of how we did Malone dirty probably help too) and if he doesn't succeed it's doubtful Sacramento will be too big a stain on his future opportunities. I think he's a good fit although I'm not sure what type of relationship he and Monte may already have which I am sure will be a selling point if there is one.
 
EIM86

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pdxKingsFan said:
Most of the people who drove that are gone. I think Malone was Vivek's hire but the morons call on the way out. He might have mixed leanings but you gotta figure that the Adelman name is going to give David a little runway for takeoff (and memories of how we did Malone dirty probably help too) and if he doesn't succeed it's doubtful Sacramento will be too big a stain on his future opportunities. I think he's a good fit although I'm not sure what type of relationship he and Monte may already have which I am sure will be a selling point if there is one.
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The next coach (I’m 99% sure it won’t be Gentry), needs to be the biggest hire since Adelman. Atkinson seems like a good coach, he made a playoff team out of nothing with the Nets
 
pdxKingsFan

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EIM86 said:
The next coach (I’m 99% sure it won’t be Gentry), needs to be the biggest hire since Adelman. Atkinson seems like a good coach, he made a playoff team out of nothing with the Nets
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I see his name a lot. Can someone remind me what went wrong there?
 
steelevt

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Kingster said:
I wouldn't mind the reverse, keeping Christie as an assistant, as long as it's Adelman's decision. I don't view Christie as a commanding presence whose charisma overwhelms his lack of coaching experience. Enthusiastic, yes. But commanding, no.
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I agree. Most coaches that come in clean house and pick their assistants and staff. I like the odds of adelman keeping Doug based on his relationship with his dad. I think Doug has potential but needs to pay his dues and would love to stay with the kings off possible as an assistant.
 
TaxMan

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steelevt said:
I agree. Most coaches that come in clean house and pick their assistants and staff. I like the odds of adelman keeping Doug based on his relationship with his dad. I think Doug has potential but needs to pay his dues and would love to stay with the kings off possible as an assistant.
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I’m not saying I definitely want Doug as the next coach, but why does someone really need to “pay their dues”, to be a good coach (other than someone like Jeff Van Gundy rambling on about the sanctity of the coaching fraternity). In the handful of games Doug coached this year, I didn’t see anything alarming with respect to lack of coaching experience. Always seemed in control of the games. I don’t recall there being weird rotations. He seems to connect really well with players. I think there are plenty of examples of no experience coaches stepping in and being successful (although granted usually with heavy veteran teams). On the flip side, I can certainly remember plenty of long time assistant coaches that finally got their big break and went down in a flame of glory. It feels like a bit of a crap shoot either way.
 
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TaxMan said:
I’m not saying I definitely want Doug as the next coach, but why does someone really need to “pay their dues”, to be a good coach (other than someone like Jeff Van Gundy rambling on about the sanctity of the coaching fraternity). In the handful of games Doug coached this year, I didn’t see anything alarming with respect to lack of coaching experience. Always seemed in control of the games. I don’t recall there being weird rotations. He seems to connect really well with players. I think there are plenty of examples of no experience coaches stepping in and being successful (although granted usually with heavy veteran teams). On the flip side, I can certainly remember plenty of long time assistant coaches that finally got their big break and went down in a flame of glory. It feels like a bit of a crap shoot either way.
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I think it is as much about learning and being qualified as much as paying your dues. Whether Doug needs to learn that much more on top of what he accumulated from his playing career, his year in the booth, and his year on the bench, I don't know. To me, he seems like a bright enough basketball mind who should also be able to inspire (and be somewhat honest) with his players.
 
ockingsfan

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Here is an article about potential coaches for the Kings.

https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nba...the-available-jobs/1q2iz4gc9qkpo14bnzjhiemiuu

It was compiled when Luke was fired, but it is still a good current list of available coaching candidates. I think with Viveks infatuation with the Warriors, the Kings may try to poach a lead assistant in Kenny Atkinson to be the Kings next coach. Sam Casssell looks like an interesting prospect though, as he also has championship rings (as a player) to his swag.

One thing we can't discount though is that the Kings will still be paying Walton NOT to coach and the Kings have lost millions since the pandemic, so they may be looking for a lower cost replacement, more unproven coach, with high potential. If that is the case, I would give Doug Christie the chance to shine. ;)
 
ockingsfan

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miltonap said:
Why aren't we talking about Bobby. Can't count him out. He's paid his dues imo
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I like Bobby, but more as an assistant than head coach. I think if I were to give a former King a chance to be head coach, it would be Doug Christie.

Doug seems very cerebral and able to communicate with the players well. Look at Steve Kerr, who went straight from being a TV analyst to NBA championship coach. When you understand the nuances of the game and are able to communicate that to your players, that goes a long way into making a good NBA head coach.
 
ockingsfan

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IMHO, I think for a G-League coach to have success in the NBA as a head coach, they would have to have great success in the minor leagues, much like Dave Joeger had before becoming a head coach in the NBA. IMO, to go from the G-League to the NBA as head coach, they would need to have an impressive resume in the minor leagues to command the lockeroom in the NBA.

I checked on the Stockton Kings and they are at 0.500 (10-10) and out of the playoffs currently. I was hoping they would had been doing better under Bobby, especially after winning the Summer League title, but they are still just treading water. I know the Kings have been calling up players to the big league club from Stockton, but so have all the other teams. IMO, I think the Stockton Kings not having great success would hurt Bobby's chances of landing the Kings head coaching gig.

However, there is still time for the Stocton Kings to turn it around, and if they do and win a championship, then Bobby would have a stronger case to he the next head coach of the Kings.
 
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KingsFanSince85 said:
Hell with that. Make your own blueprint.

Denver hasn’t won jack anyway. Good team, but there are lots of good teams around the league.

The KINGS need to find their own way and not resort to trying to duplicate others.
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After reading this post, I just could not resist posting a response. To sum this post up in one word "Lame."

"Make your own blueprint."
"Denver hasn’t won jack anyway."
"The KINGS need to find their own way and not resort to trying to duplicate others."

The Kings have had no success following their own way over the last 16 years. Other teams have proven and successful strategies. Why not implement one of these successful strategies.
 
Spike

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24 rick barry said:
After reading this post, I just could not resist posting a response. To sum this post up in one word "Lame."

"Make your own blueprint."
"Denver hasn’t won jack anyway."
"The KINGS need to find their own way and not resort to trying to duplicate others."

The Kings have had no success following their own way over the last 16 years. Other teams have proven and successful strategies. Why not implement one of these successful strategies.
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Yes, and no.
I do agree that a high post half-court offense similar to what Denver employs would be a good blueprint for this team. It's almost like Malone finally got the right pieces in Sacramento...too bad he's in Denver celebrating win #300. If you squint, you can see it. We're just a Michael Porter Jr. away.

That said, I think that offense relies too much on Jokic, who is currently all-worldly. Sabonis can have a similar impact, but I wouldn't want to slow things down as much, and I would rather give the ball a little more to Fox in transition to get things rolling downhill when the moments strike.

Denver is a competitive team, and if Murray comes back in good health, why can't they win it? That's what we want in Sacramento; a "why not us?" feeling. I think we're still one impact player and good coach away, but the blueprint is there.
 
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