The Keep Mussleman Thread

ockingsfan

ockingsfan

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I for one sure hope that mussleman does not get fired now... he has the kings on pace to get a very good lottery pick... he currently has us in position to get the 6th overall pick in the 2007 NBA draft... with a little more continued "good" work, he may have us in position for the top 3 picks soon... and he also has a chance to get us a top three pick with more lottery balls and a lucky bonce of the ping pong ball...

boy, i tell you something, that ADELMAN would NEVER of had us in postition to get greg oden or kevin durant, like musselman has this year... so here is to keeping mussleman the coach, until at least April 19, 2007...

keep up the good work coach and we can all dream about getting oden or durant...
 
Packt

Packt

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I agree. Last nights game was most impressive in how he took the starters out and didn't try to mount a comeback. Only 40 or so more games like that and we might win something real special.

Few coaches would have the wherewithal and the vision to not fight against the inevitable.

COY could be his if he keeps this up.
 
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goggles99

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Heuge said:
Difference is, I couldnt poiont to a half dozen losses which reeked of bad coaching. This year I can.
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Baker's dozen at least.

What team can win with what Muss brings??? energy alone. Sure for a while it helps, but not in an 82 game season. That kind of intensity cannot be maintained by anyone (OK maybe 3-4 players in the league) You have to first off be smart, have to know how to play in a system as a team, both offensively, and defensively. Muss has no working system, the team faked it for a while in the beginning because we had super energy from a new young coach. But the players get tired out, physically and emotionally going 120% night after night. Now we can't get 2 wins in a row (we rarely get 1) :D
 
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fnordius

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Agreed. I absolutely love Muss for the next 11 weeks.

But I will be extremely traumatized if he is around past May. The last thing I'd want would be for us to get some great rookie and have him playing with the same look on his face that most of our current roster have. That would be a tragic, tragic waste.
 
DocHolliday

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You folks who bash on Musselman are just the typical ridiculous fan. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's the truth.

He leaves the starters in when they are playing bad- You question why he doesn't bench them to show them if they aren't playing well, they won't play. In your eyes he is a bad coach.

He benches starters when they aren't playing well to let bench guys havea shot- You question why he benched them, why there was no *great* come back. In your eyes he is a bad coach.

Let me type this in caps so it gets across.

THIS IS A BAD TEAM. THEY HAVE A FEW GOOD PIECES, BUT THE PIECES IN BETWEEN AREN'T ALLOWING THE WHOLE THING TO BE COHESIVE. PHIL JACKSON, RICK ADELMAN OR RED AUERBACH HIMSELF COULD NOT MAKE THIS TEAM GOOD. PERIOD!!!!!!!!! NOTHING YOU DO OR SAY CAN CHANGE THIS FACT.

WE ARE AT A POINT IN THE NORMAL CYCLE. GOOD, OK, BAD, OK GOOD. WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT GOOD PERIOD TO COME BACK AROUND. AS LONG AS OUR ORGANIZATION DOES WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE FUTURE AND GETS THE RIGHT PIECES WE'LL GET THERE. IF NOT THEN WE WON'T PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!
 
pdxKingsFan

pdxKingsFan

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Muss is likely going to be around next season as well. I don't think it will be so bad if he gets some stronger assistants around him to go with a revamped lineup. I had already made up my mind to give him a free pass for the first half of this season so in my book its what he does to close this season and start the next that will prove his worth as a coach.

Unfortunately for him the best thing he can do for the team right now is to continue losing in a way that develops the younger guys and sorts out who we can keep around. Maybe run our offense to highlight players as trade pieces.

I for one actually do hope that the front office is calling the shots on who is playing and who isn't because that would at least indicate that this franchise actually knows our lineup is bottom playoff also ran seed at best and instead has a long term plan to return us to glory.
 
kupman

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DocHolliday said:
Let me type this in caps so it gets across.

THIS IS A BAD TEAM. THEY HAVE A FEW GOOD PIECES, BUT THE PIECES IN BETWEEN AREN'T ALLOWING THE WHOLE THING TO BE COHESIVE. PHIL JACKSON, RICK ADELMAN OR RED AUERBACH HIMSELF COULD NOT MAKE THIS TEAM GOOD. PERIOD!!!!!!!!! NOTHING YOU DO OR SAY CAN CHANGE THIS FACT.
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You and I are 180 degrees from each other.

The sentence in bold (my bold): Rick had this team in the playoffs last year and playing well at that with pretty much the same pieces. Phil and Red may have done better.
 
VF21

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DocHolliday said:
You folks who bash on Musselman are just the typical ridiculous fan. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's the truth.

He leaves the starters in when they are playing bad- You question why he doesn't bench them to show them if they aren't playing well, they won't play. In your eyes he is a bad coach.

He benches starters when they aren't playing well to let bench guys havea shot- You question why he benched them, why there was no *great* come back. In your eyes he is a bad coach.

Let me type this in caps so it gets across.

THIS IS A BAD TEAM. THEY HAVE A FEW GOOD PIECES, BUT THE PIECES IN BETWEEN AREN'T ALLOWING THE WHOLE THING TO BE COHESIVE. PHIL JACKSON, RICK ADELMAN OR RED AUERBACH HIMSELF COULD NOT MAKE THIS TEAM GOOD. PERIOD!!!!!!!!! NOTHING YOU DO OR SAY CAN CHANGE THIS FACT.

WE ARE AT A POINT IN THE NORMAL CYCLE. GOOD, OK, BAD, OK GOOD. WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT GOOD PERIOD TO COME BACK AROUND. AS LONG AS OUR ORGANIZATION DOES WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE FUTURE AND GETS THE RIGHT PIECES WE'LL GET THERE. IF NOT THEN WE WON'T PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hey, we get it. And what do we get? YOUR OPINION (which I've typed in caps so it gets across).

We just have to wait for a good period to come back around? What, like Haley's comet? I sure hope Petrie isn't just sitting back waiting for a good period to come back around.

People are going to complain. And I firmly beleive they have a right to... Musselman isn't exempt nor should he be.

And comments like "typical ridiculous fan" aren't the truth. They are, once again, YOUR OPINION.
 
pdxKingsFan

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kupman said:
You and I are 180 degrees from each other.

The sentence in bold (my bold): Rick had this team in the playoffs last year and playing well at that with pretty much the same pieces. Phil and Red may have done better.
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Ignoring the loss of the inside game that Bonzi brought what exactly did that 8 seed and first round playoff exit get us.

Saying we are the same team means nothing when the teams that were just behind us got lottery picks and substantially better and all we did was lose our second best player and add a few role players. Being almost exactly the same team is only good for teams that are actually in title contention. Everyone else is also rans.
 
VF21

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pdxKingsFan said:
Ignoring the loss of the inside game that Bonzi brought what exactly did that 8 seed and first round playoff exit get us.

Saying we are the same team means nothing when the teams that were just behind us got lottery picks and substantially better and all we did was lose our second best player and add a few role players. Being almost exactly the same team is only good for teams that are actually in title contention. Everyone else is also rans.
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The point wasn't the results. The point was that Adelman was able to get more from those players than Musselman has gotten from these players...

The most illogical part of that argument, IMHO, is even thinking about comparing Musselman to Rick Adelman in the first place. There is NO comparison. Regardless of what his detractors might want us to believe, Rick Adelman has had a career most NBA coaches would give their left arm and first-born child to duplicate, even without a championship.
 
pdxKingsFan

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VF21 said:
The most illogical part of that argument, IMHO, is even thinking about comparing Musselman to Rick Adelman in the first place. There is NO comparison. Regardless of what his detractors might want us to believe, Rick Adelman has had a career most NBA coaches would give their left arm and first-born child to duplicate, even without a championship.
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That's actually why I'm in favor of getting off Muss's back for the time being. You can't compare them and anybody who thought Muss was actually going to come in and be better from the get go is nuts. He was never any better than a young coach with some upside. I'm not entirely convinced the upside is gone but I do believe he is going to need better assistants helping him to make the most of whatever he may have.
 
Elise10

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I'd tried being as sympathetic as I can to someone I share the same birthday but

it really is time to let Musselman go, lottery pick be damned.

Is this really what the Kings have been reduced to? There are no set plays on offense, defense? don't ask, our most productive player gets bench for periods of time because he's having a bad game but other players are free to shoot whenever. A guy we cut in preseason is rebounding better than our entire front line.

Did I fail to mention that a player who knew that he wasn't going to be an integral part of the team is now complaining because.....he's not being a part of the team.

Did I miss something?

We've had better, could have gotten better, maybe would have been worse if we stuck with Whisenant but we're stuck with a guy whose last name is also a brand for applesauce
 
VF21

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pdxKingsFan said:
That's actually why I'm in favor of getting off Muss's back for the time being. You can't compare them and anybody who thought Muss was actually going to come in and be better from the get go is nuts. He was never any better than a young coach with some upside. I'm not entirely convinced the upside is gone but I do believe he is going to need better assistants helping him to make the most of whatever he may have.
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You have to look at the job he stepped into, not the previous holder of the job...

Musselman is one of 30 head coaches in the NBA. That's pretty rarefied air up there...if he's gonna hang out with the big dogs, he's gotta run like a big dog. He's not running so far, IMHO.
 
TheJoker

TheJoker

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Musselman does not know the value of sucess, he thinks sucess comes from within but not from a coach.

this guy has never been sucessful at the NBA level. he doesn't know how to use rotations or any kind of rotation that is the best on the floor. his main focus is defense yet we seem teams killing us every night through peneteration and screen roll.

i don't care if i'm being negative there is no reason not to with the dump the Kings season is.
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pdxKingsFan

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VF21 said:
You have to look at the job he stepped into, not the previous holder of the job...
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Isn't that what I'm doing? My only defense of Muss has been stating my opinion that this lineup stinks and that comparing it to last year's is pointless because we lost one of our top players while the teams behind us all seemed to improve. I've resisted the urge to compare the coaches in order to bash or defend either of them.

I'm not thrilled with Muss so far but going into coach carousel mode isn't going to improve this franchise either other than guarantee us multiple lottery picks. I agree wholeheartedly with your "rebound coach" theory and even stated something similar without the catchy term as a reason for hiring an inexperienced guy like Muss or Elie before we even brought Muss in for an interview.

I'm actually somewhat concerned that canning Muss too early along with everything we know from the Adelman situation may sway good coaches from coming here if they start to believe the Maloofs have unrealistic expectations about mediocre teams.
 
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vfettke

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DocHolliday said:
THIS IS A BAD TEAM. THEY HAVE A FEW GOOD PIECES, BUT THE PIECES IN BETWEEN AREN'T ALLOWING THE WHOLE THING TO BE COHESIVE. PHIL JACKSON, RICK ADELMAN OR RED AUERBACH HIMSELF COULD NOT MAKE THIS TEAM GOOD. PERIOD!!!!!!!!! NOTHING YOU DO OR SAY CAN CHANGE THIS FACT.
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i made a nice long post the other day about the Mavs/Lakers game. Compare the Mavs with the Kings. Or the Lakers even. Talent-wise, our starters are better than their's overall, with the exception of Dirk and Kobe. But, both teams have better records than us. And the Mavs will probably be this years champion. Why are those teams so good, and why is our team so bad? how is it possible when we have better players? COACHING. Avery Johnson and Phil Jackson are excellent coaches. Musselman is not. Musse might be great in the future with some more experience. But, even most players with lots of potential show sparks of brilliance in between their crappiness. Muss hasn't
 
Entity

Entity

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true Adelman did have the same team. Only Mike Bibby was averaging 22pts and shooting 43% fg and 39% 3pt this year 38% and 29%. That is drastic drop off. Basically he is missing 2 more shot on 1 less attempt than last year.

Artest has alot of dropage also. Brad went form 15ppg to 9 shooting a lower % as well in all catagories. KT has lost everything.
 
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most_casual_observer

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DocHolliday said:
You folks who bash on Musselman are just the typical ridiculous fan. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's the truth.

He leaves the starters in when they are playing bad- You question why he doesn't bench them to show them if they aren't playing well, they won't play. In your eyes he is a bad coach.

He benches starters when they aren't playing well to let bench guys havea shot- You question why he benched them, why there was no *great* come back. In your eyes he is a bad coach.

Let me type this in caps so it gets across.

THIS IS A BAD TEAM. THEY HAVE A FEW GOOD PIECES, BUT THE PIECES IN BETWEEN AREN'T ALLOWING THE WHOLE THING TO BE COHESIVE. PHIL JACKSON, RICK ADELMAN OR RED AUERBACH HIMSELF COULD NOT MAKE THIS TEAM GOOD. PERIOD!!!!!!!!! NOTHING YOU DO OR SAY CAN CHANGE THIS FACT.

WE ARE AT A POINT IN THE NORMAL CYCLE. GOOD, OK, BAD, OK GOOD. WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT GOOD PERIOD TO COME BACK AROUND. AS LONG AS OUR ORGANIZATION DOES WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE FUTURE AND GETS THE RIGHT PIECES WE'LL GET THERE. IF NOT THEN WE WON'T PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, last year a lot of folks were angry when Rick got fired, saying that it wasn't fair to let Rick go just as the team was poised for new highs with the acquisition of Artest. You can't have it both ways. This team is not as bad as they currently play. There is only one person carrying that burden--Muss.
 
sauce-26

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Why is it that everyone is so IMPATIENT! My goodness, you guys expect him to come in and just make us a contender. Be realistic. He is in his first year. If this was year 3 of the Musselman era, then yeah, can his sorry rear end. We SUCK! PERIOD. We need to get better. It will take some time. Now, that being said, I don't know if he is the right coach or not. He might not be head coach material for us or for anyone else. The whole point of this post is to say give him a chance (that means this year and next year before we seriously say get rid of him). I will admit that the players are not playing as well as they could be. Hustle not being in question. All I am saying is that we should give him some time to get his system in. Just give him a chance.
 
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VF21

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sauce-26 said:
Why is it that everyone is so IMPATIENT! My goodness, you guys expect him to come in and just make us a contender. Be realistic. He is in his first year. If this was year 3 of the Musselman era, then yeah, can his sorry rear end. We SUCK! PERIOD. We need to get better. It will take some time. Now, that being said, I don't know if he is the right coach or not. He might be head coach material for us or ever. The whole point of this post is to say give him a chance (that means this year and next year before we seriously say get rid of him). I will admit that the players are not playing as well as they could be. Hustle not being in question. All I am saying is that we should give him some time to get his system in. Just give him a chance.
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I'd be willing to bet if things don't improve at least a little that Musselman will not be around for the full term of his contract. But, since this is the "Keep Musselman" thread, I'll leave it at that...
 
6th

6th

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sauce-26 said:
You work with what you have. The system he wants to install probably doesn't fit with what we have.
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Yes, that may well be. But, as a coach, shouldn't he then install a system that fits what he has? Otherwise, he cannot possibly be successful...nor can the Kings.

Either way, it would be helpful for us, and especially for the players, to see some kind of a system. Otherwise, everyone is just floundering, which sure seems the case right now.
 
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