The Absolute State of This Franchise (Perry/Armstrong/Christie)

Hawkmi

Hawkmi

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Is anyone else actually seeing this, or am I just trapped in a fever dream? I feel like I’m watching someone play MyLeague on 2K while actively trying to get fired.

We hire a GM who was run out of New York, bring in B.J. Armstrong, and instead of clearing the deck of this mess, they double down on the chaos. Let’s look at the "vision" since the summer:

  • The Benchings: They hire Doug Christie as the permanent coach and immediately decide that defense is optional. Keon Ellis, one of the only guys on this roster besides Keegan who actually stays in front of his man, gets buried on the bench for a pair of aging vets.
  • The Backcourt Disaster: Who in their right mind signs Dennis Schroder to a $40M+ deal, then signs Westbrook, just to create a logjam that kills our spacing and stunts our young guards?
  • The "Trade": This is the kicker. We all expected a total reset. Trade Sabonis, DeRozan, LaVine, Monk-get whatever picks we can and pray for the lottery in a historic draft year, right? NOPE.
  • The Ultimate L: Instead of getting assets, we literally had to attach a pick just to get rid of the guy we just signed (Schroder). We lost Keon Ellis in the process and took back De'Andre Hunter, who is massively overpaid and does nothing to change the trajectory of this "dumpster fire."
And the worst part? We are sitting at 12–42, the worst team in the league, and yet we are still playing the vets heavy minutes like we’re chasing a play-in spot that doesn't exist. We are fumbling the best chance at a #1 pick in years just to "try and win" 18 games.

It’s ****ing insane. We are officially the worst-run franchise in professional sports. Change my mind.
 
Lots of incompetence for sure.

My only hope is that Perry seems to be decent at evaluating talent based on some of the young guys we have.

And now Doug seems to be forced to playing them so at least I have a reason to watch the games again the rest of the season.
 
The most blunting that will negate the shroder disaster will be if Hunter makes a comeback that we are then able to trade him for a first rounder or younger players. It doesn’t help that Perry started off with a mistake. He didn’t follow his own vision of youth. That’s what I don’t get. He claimed to be about this vision but immediately moved off of it. Sure we needed a pg but signing a vet to that many years was unacceptable. Turns out he should have just given Carter the keys.
 
The state of this team is Vivek is directly involved in every decision and has final say on the roster regardless of what any figurehead says. He doesn't know anything about basketball and has shown poor judgement when it comes to player evaluations his entire tenure as owner. This monstrosity of a roster has his finger prints all over it and I'm not convinced even if we get a prospect like AJ Dybantsa that we will be able to build a good team around him because Vivek will be the one trying to build the team.
 
Jdbraver137 said:
The most blunting that will negate the shroder disaster will be if Hunter makes a comeback that we are then able to trade him for a first rounder or younger players. It doesn’t help that Perry started off with a mistake. He didn’t follow his own vision of youth. That’s what I don’t get. He claimed to be about this vision but immediately moved off of it. Sure we needed a pg but signing a vet to that many years was unacceptable. Turns out he should have just given Carter the keys.
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He's really lucky it didn't turn into more winning, because it could have put them right near the "middle", which is where he openly talked about not being a good place. Still no idea what he was thinking, unless the ever present issue of Ranadive pushing ideas is what motivated it (very likely)
 
Folsomkingsfan said:
The state of this team is Vivek is directly involved in every decision and has final say on the roster regardless of what any figurehead says. He doesn't know anything about basketball and has shown poor judgement when it comes to player evaluations his entire tenure as owner. This monstrosity of a roster has his finger prints all over it and I'm not convinced even if we get a prospect like AJ Dybantsa that we will be able to build a good team around him because Vivek will be the one trying to build the team.
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A fact that is so blatantly obvious that it shocks me that some want to put all of the blame on Doug and his coaching philosophy.
 
Yeah it's Vivek.

It's no coincidence that multiple GMs have been doing the same dumb **** over and over again since he took over as owner.

Worst thing is that he's too big a fan to sell the team, so we as fans just gotta wait it out until he's in that big owners box in the sky.
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
A fact that is so blatantly obvious that it shocks me that some want to put all of the blame on Doug and his coaching philosophy.
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Which is why to me the #1 requirement of a GM is the ability to tell Vivek to butt out. The fact Perry has finally gotten this team to do a real rebuild to me is hopeful. 2010 was the last time we finished with a bottom 3 record.

Consider that in Vivek’s entire abysmal reign he has never once finished with a bottom 3 record.
 
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QWERTYLICIOUS said:
A fact that is so blatantly obvious that it shocks me that some want to put all of the blame on Doug and his coaching philosophy.
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I don't 100% blame anyone who has ever had a coaching or front office role for the Kings failures during the Vivek era. This includes Vlade. I've listed to Vivek talk about the game, make suggestions, and how he talks about players. It is incredibly clear that Vivek is the text book definition of someone who "doesn't know ball." The problem is he has an ego and I doubt he ever fully removes himself from the roster construction process. He's like Jerry Jones only way dumber.
 
sactowndog said:
Which is why to me the #1 requirement of a GM is the ability to tell Vivek to butt out. The fact Monte has finally gotten this team to do a real rebuild to me is hopeful. 2010 was the last time we finished with a bottom 3 record.

Consider that in Vivek’s entire abysmal reign he has never once finished with a bottom 3 record.
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Rather funny Freudian slip there, considering your predilections. 😉
 
sactowndog said:
Yes but Monte never did correct… fixed it to Perry :cool:
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i'm sure vivek understands that fans think he is out of touch.

but what if he looks at it a different way?

as someone pointed out, the Kings have never been "bottom three" under vivek - he likely sees that as a "big plus" in an owner evaluation.

as i''m sure he would say, he has managed the "cap" with great expertise, always having a payroll that is very close to the cap - but NEVER over - yet the Kings spend more money on salaries each season than about half of the NBA franchises.

and OF COURSE the KIngs will NEVER play for a Championship, but they will alternate between rising and falling, staying closer to the middle than this lost season (but at least Domas and Keegan had "lost season - injuries" in the same season). Maybe there will be a fluke season sometime when NOBODY gets hurt and other teams all have injuries and we could win two or maybe even three postseason series, but all the cards would have to fall exactly right.

I believe Chat GPT picked the Kings to win one title in the next 75 years - somewhere in the 2070's.

The Kings had phenomenal injury luck during the beam team season - but those things tend to even out.

Perhaps next season will be a "no injuries" year
 
Hawkmi said:
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We are officially the worst-run franchise in professional sports. Change my mind.
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There are some other contenders, but the Kings have to be in the conversation given the past 20 years of team history (13 of which can be attributed to the current owner). I don't think this franchise has ever made a single trade as dumb as what Nico Harrison did to the Dallas Mavericks last year though and the Kings do play in a very nice facility. So it's not all bad.
 
Doug Christie and his lead assistants should resign in shame after the conclusion of this season. Of the teams I follow, I have not seen one that was worse coached than the Kings since Randy Waldrum coached the Houston Dash in 2017, when he resigned just a couple of months into the season. Waldrum has proven to be a good college coach, but was a disaster with the Dash. Similarly, Doug Christie looks to be a good teacher, but is a disaster as a head coach, and now, in the fifth month of the season, seems to be actively trying to lose games.

Scott Perry hired this guy. I suspected at the time that he wanted to make Coach Christie a sacrificial lamb. Nothing since has made me change my mind.
 
sactowndog said:
Which is why to me the #1 requirement of a GM is the ability to tell Vivek to butt out. The fact Perry has finally gotten this team to do a real rebuild to me is hopeful. 2010 was the last time we finished with a bottom 3 record.

Consider that in Vivek’s entire abysmal reign he has never once finished with a bottom 3 record.
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Perry trading for Hunter points to a retool rather than a rebuild. We actually lost a draft asset here.

Perry signing vets like Dennis, Westbrook, Eubanks, and McDermott pointed to a retool.

Perry claiming to be going for a rebuild all along, after falling flat on his face, is some serious cope.
 
coolhandluke said:
Perry trading for Hunter points to a retool rather than a rebuild. We actually lost a draft asset here.

Perry signing vets like Dennis, Westbrook, Eubanks, and McDermott pointed to a retool.

Perry claiming to be going for a rebuild all along, after falling flat on his face, is some serious cope.
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I disagree on Hunter. If anything the last 5 years should have taught us is the challenges in obtaining wings.

No matter what happens in the draft we are going to need another wing. As we add talent getting one gets harder and harder.
 
coolhandluke said:
Perry trading for Hunter points to a retool rather than a rebuild. We actually lost a draft asset here.

Perry signing vets like Dennis, Westbrook, Eubanks, and McDermott pointed to a retool.

Perry claiming to be going for a rebuild all along, after falling flat on his face, is some serious cope.
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Ah.

But you're forgetting the part of the story where Perry signed all these vets, traded Keon to clean up his #1 off-season acquisition, currently has us on pace to be a luxury tax team by bringing in Hunter was all a 5D chess move to show Vivek that we should actually be rebuilding not resetting. He's clearly a puppet master leaning Vivek on the right path!
 
Perry is still batting solidly, though very early on. The draft is the only thing he's had discretion on for me

Parameters (Vivek compete mandate/needing a pg without a strong FA pg class and/or not being a desired FA destination) (lack of value of previous administrations players) have shaped the rest - the best I can tell
 
Hawkmi said:
And the worst part? We are sitting at 12–42, the worst team in the league, and yet we are still playing the vets heavy minutes like we’re chasing a play-in spot that doesn't exist. We are fumbling the best chance at a #1 pick in years just to "try and win" 18 games.

It’s ****ing insane. We are officially the worst-run franchise in professional sports. Change my mind.
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Nobody is going to change your mind, clearly, judging by your tone and use of emphasis all throughout that drivel.

I won’t even try to defend this org’s leadership, or lack there of, other than to say, once again, that intentional losing is as bushleague as it gets yet you seem to endorse the practice all while accusing the KINGS of being the worst run franchise in all of sports. A bit hypocritical and lacking self-awareness.
 
KingsRUs said:
Perry is still batting solidly, though very early on. The draft is the only thing he's had discretion on for me

Parameters (Vivek compete mandate/needing a pg without a strong FA pg class and/or not being a desired FA destination) (lack of value of previous administrations players) have shaped the rest - the best I can tell
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Actually, he may have some part in the last bit, that we are still trying to win games, if true...

I'm not sure where you draw the line about how he is supposed to handle Doug, if the above sentence is indeed accurate (hard to say what is going on, Demar/Russ play too much but they have negative on/offs so..?). Other GM/coaches seem to be on the same page strategy wise. Domas/Keegan I doubt will see the court again

And if we aren't trying to win games, and there is some 3/D going on with Demar/Russ minutes (being possible losing players), Doug would have been secured for next year as its the only way he'd go along with it
 
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