So...are people still defending Vlade at this point? Or are you waking up to join the rest of us?
Nah, give credit where it's due, they found a bit of a groove. The problem is teams have adjusted to it. The Kings have become very predictable and with Walton focusing on half court play apparently, he needs to spice some things up. Spacing again was a major issue at times.
The coach that is managing that talent took one of the fastest paced and highest scoring teams in the league that made Buddy look like an All Star candidate to what you watched tonight. Dave did better with a garbage center who didn't rebound or defend the rim and less perimeter defensive talent.This team looked all kinds of deep just a few weeks ago and it did for a reason. There's serious talent on the team and we saw the depth first hand. If there's an overreaction to be had it needs to involve what happens in between those 4 lines. If that don't work, then figure it out elsewhere.
So...are people still defending Vlade at this point? Or are you waking up to join the rest of us?
The coach that is managing that talent took one of the fastest paced and highest scoring teams in the league that made Buddy look like an All Star candidate to what you watched tonight. Dave did better with a garbage center who didn't rebound or defend the rim and less perimeter defensive talent.
They're 12-19.
That's a bad team. Enough of the positive spin, excuses, etc.
Time to blow it up (yet again). Keep Fox and take offers on just about everyone else.
Point is Vlade made the call. And that isn't working out. Injuries or not, this team isn't improving. The state of the team is all on him, and that was my previous point.Ebbs and flows. I can say I never saw Dave Joerger ever have his team looking like they did not too long ago at any point in his tenure. Right now this is teetering. Does it bounce back again? We'll see.
Bjelica, Bogi, Holmes are positive value guys. It's probably better to hold on to Bagley as his value should be not worth moving him right now.
Not going to get a whole lot, but they are worth something.
Which draft? Besides 2018. Papa G? Who cares...same draft he swindled Phoenix out of Bogi. The 2017 trade down? Ended up with Barnes. Maybe we should have taken Mitchell? Great idea! Taking two PGs in one draft literally never backfires. Players and agents are super cool with that type of arrangement. Or, are we pretending this is a video game and not real life where 19 & 20 year olds are gunning for max contracts?Well that's why I said take offers because there are guys with value on this team.
Vlade has to go at the end the season. He made some positive changes to the team especially in terms of culture but his drafts have been awful along with many of his signings.
Barring a miracle this team will be drafting in the Top-10 again. You can't leave that pick up to Vlade again. He's proven that most of the time he gets it wrong.
Sactown ExPat" post: 1491936 said:Which draft? Besides 2018. Papa G? Who cares...same draft he swindled Phoenix out of Bogi. The 2017 trade down? Ended up with Barnes. Maybe we should have taken Mitchell? Great idea! Taking two PGs in one draft literally never backfires. Players and agents are super cool with that type of arrangement. Or, are we pretending this is a video game and not real life where 19 & 20 year olds are gunning for max contracts?
Forget defending Vlade, it's getting hard to defend my continued fandom at this point!
And even if (when) he gets fired, who knows who Vivek is going to trot out as a fan service GM. Mike Bibby? Slamson? Sign Lady?!
Who traded or signed the guys missing shot after shot? Who is coaching the same main pieces that weren't missing as many shots last season?Vlade didn't miss shot after shot after shot. Vlade didn't focus on iso and neglect passing to other Kings. Vlade certainly didn't come down wrong and hurt his hip - or his foot/ankle.
But whatever. There are some I know who cannot help but blame Vlade for everything.
Being a GM is always hit and miss. But the Bagley pick you just can't ignore. That will set us back at least 5-8 years.
Not really that it is directly his fault but at this point it looks like we drafted two star players who cannot stay healthy
I guess the better wording is projected star draft picksWe don’t have two stars my friend
But he drafted and signed the players who did. He is responsible for building the rosterVlade didn't miss shot after shot after shot. Vlade didn't focus on iso and neglect passing to other Kings. Vlade certainly didn't come down wrong and hurt his hip - or his foot/ankle.
But whatever. There are some I know who cannot help but blame Vlade for everything.
The sad thing is they could have played together, because Fox stays hurt all the time.Yeah, I’ll still defend him. I wanted Luka. I correctly deduced the decision was Luka or Fox, and I said I would trade Fox. Which most, if not all, of you Vlade bashers had the asinine idea that Fox and Luka would play together. Anyway, I still defend his ultimate decision. Fox, I believe, has better intangibles than Luka—so I understand the choice.
Having said that, it has not worked out so far. Let’s see what they get for Bagley this summer. It’s going to be another weird summer, particularly in the trade market.
I like Luke a lot. Joerger is the Jeff Fisher of NBA, and I’m not bothered he’s gone. Also, coaches are basically fungible at this level, so who really cares? You guys can mythologize Pop all you like, but he’s really just another dude who rode an all time great (second best in my life time) to a bunch of titles. If Jackson gets negligible credit for his rings, then so should Popo.
The rest of it is neither here nor there.
I guess the better wording is projected star draft picks
Well, we can draw a straight line from the Billy Owens pick to Chris Webber (and then Kenny Thomas, etc.-LOL). Was Owens a bad pick? Point being, things don’t happen in a vacuum. But, most importantly, I don’t trust Vivek to make a good hire should Vlade leave the position. I assume Vivek will target an analytics based approach, which is basketball I abhor (i.e. Harden), and those guys get snookered in the draft worse than anybody. They just make sure to tell Zach Lowe and Bill Simmons all about their rare draft hits, and their proprietary algorithm that discovered the player.See a few pages back on the Bagley thread from a few days ago. Vlade's drafts have been terrible (including last year 2018 and except for Fox). The Justin Jackson/Giles draft was awful and there were other guys besides Mitchell of high value. The Barnes trade is irrelevant to that draft and Barnes ain't exactly looking so great the last few weeks. He's just a guy makes almost zero difference whether he is on the team or not. Great guy but not a difference maker.
Sactown Expat,
Don't you get tired of continually making excuses for this team/organization.......only for them to continually let you down? You've been working overtime here the last few weeks spinning positivity and yet the team just keeps losing. They're 12-19 now they suck. Think otherwise all you want but the joke is on you.
They're 12-19.
That's a bad team. Enough of the positive spin, excuses, etc.
Time to blow it up (yet again). Keep Fox and take offers on just about everyone else.
Well, we can draw a straight line from the Billy Owens pick to Chris Webber (and then Kenny Thomas, etc.-LOL). Was Owens a bad pick? Point being, things don’t happen in a vacuum. But, most importantly, I don’t trust Vivek to make a good hire should Vlade leave the position. I assume Vivek will target an analytics based approach, which is basketball I abhor (i.e. Harden), and those guys get snookered in the draft worse than anybody. They just make sure to tell Zach Lowe and Bill Simmons all about their rare draft hits, and their proprietary algorithm that discovered the player.