Sports Guys trade ideas

[kingsnation]

Sports Guy takes a look at potential trades this season..

Sacramento Kings (group C)
2009-10 payroll: $53.4 million
Projected 2010-11 payroll: $40.7 million

• VP's verdict: In a position of strength, if that's possible: They have a potential superstar in Tyreke Evans, only he's definitely not a point guard … which means he plays the same position as the best guy on their team (Kevin Martin, currently injured). And Martin's favorable contract ($46 million through 2013) gives him real value despite his bad luck with dopey injuries. I'd compare him to Jeff Hornacek in the earl '90s -- a very good offensive player who'd be even better on a contender.

• Mitigating Factor: None. After a shaky decade, the Kings are on a red-hot front-office run and T.J. Lavin'ed their last two drafts. I thought Rubio/Evans would haunt them; if anything, it totally invigorated them.

(Important note: Dismissing Evans' potential was my single biggest column-related misfire this decade, and I'm the same guy who thought Orlando was crazy for taking Howard over Okafor. In my draft diary, I wrote the joke, "(Stu) Scott on Evans: 'His nickname is 'Hugo' because he was born during Hurricane Hugo.' That pick was a natural disaster. Literally." The whole debacle mortally wounded my chances to become a GM someday. I'm not gonna lie. Evans has a chance to be a top-10 player some day. Although I still believe I was correct with one thing: In no way, shape or form is he a point guard. You will never sell me on that one.)

• VP's verdict: Package Martin with Kenny Thomas' expiring contract for future assets. Biggest no-brainer of this column. Move now. For example …

Fake Trade 12: Martin/Thomas to Utah for Andrei Kirilenko (expires 2011), Kyle Korver's EC, $3 million (not a problem because Utah still saves $3.2 million with the difference in salaries, plus another $3.2 million in luxury tax money) and the rights to New York's unprotected No. 1 pick in 2010.

(Hold on, we have to wait a few seconds for every Knicks fan to stop shaking his or her head. Just a few more seconds. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. And … we're good.)

I love this trade. For one thing, a Martin-Deron Williams backcourt would be loads of fun (shades of Utah teaming Hornacek and Stockton back in the day). Utah gets damned close to being under the luxury tax. Sacramento gets a gigantic expiring contract for next year (Kirilenko's $17.8 million), another scrappy, balls-to-the-wall guy (Kirilenko again), an official "this is your team" announcement to Evans AND a lottery ticket for the John Wall Sweepstakes.

Everyone wins. You can't say that too often during Year 2 of the No Benjamins Association.

More..

 

[Nighthawk1]

This is a variation of a trade that has been discussed on this board and gets discussed on another forum (realgm) on a daily basis... Most kings fans probably won't like it.. KMart + K9 is too much.. KMart + Noci however and we're talking.

 

[Kingsroots]

This would definitely be a good trade for both teams. One of the better trades I have seen.

 

[sactownfan]

This would definitely be a good trade for both teams. One of the better trades I have seen.

I strongly disagree.... If theres anything we've learned here on this board... its that no matter how strong your odds are at winning the lottery you can totally get jacked.... although Evans worked out... The draft is HIT or MISS....

Kevin Martin is a proven all star quality talent... you dont trade that for a chance at a good player...

just think about what the odds would be that this player we draft ends up being equal or better than Kevin???

trading great players for picks is retarded... i'd rater just keep Kenny Thomas and try to move NOC with Garcia or something like that....

 

[xrzn]

I just read this on ESPN.

The Utah trade is very compelling only because of that NY pick. If the Kings decide to go this route, then the Kings won't be contenders this year and will just play for experience and fun. Who knows, maybe an 8th seed to go up against the fakers in the 1st round.

Come next season, Kings have 2 1st rounder picks, potentially a very high pick with NYs, and a crapload to spend on a free agent. The Kings would pretty much be playing for next season.

 

[Chupacabra]

I dont think i like the idea of trading Martin AND K9's expiring contract for an expiring and a draft pick. No thank you.

 

[Chupacabra]

A package of Martin and K9 should net the Kings an star. Not a draft pick.

 

[Merdiesel]

I dont think i like the idea of trading Martin AND K9's expiring contract for an expiring and a draft pick. No thank you.

I agree.
I'd rather this team focus on shopping K9, Beno, Noc way before they shop Martin. I want to see what he can do with this team.

 

[Nighthawk1]

I agree.
I'd rather this team focus on shopping K9, Beno, Noc way before they shop Martin. I want to see what he can do with this team.

As weird as it sounds, I think beno has found his role on this team that fits him perfectly. A 6th man/spark off the bench. I would rather keep him around because I don't think we can get the value he's actually worth as a skilled player with his contract. Noci, K9 can go though and they're quite an attractive package to teams I'd think.

Personally I'm more excited to see how Garcia and Evans work together compared to Kmart and Evans. This would literally have to be a trade deadline trade that help Jazz get under lux tax, and we know where the Knicks pick falls... Even though AK47 actually does improve our D, and Korver is an expiring I want to make sure Knicks suck and we have a shot at a top 5 draft pick. Then give them Kmart and Noci possibly.

 

[reid1boys]

Agree 100%. It is mind boggling to me how people can want to trade a guy that can get 25 a night for a draft pick and an expiring contract. Look at the top 10 picks in the last 2 drafts. Now take out the bigs and how many of those players are lighting it up?

We are slowly coming together, you cant get rid of Martin before you get to see what this new car looks like complete and out of the showroom floor.

 

[Superman]

I strongly disagree.... If theres anything we've learned here on this board... its that no matter how strong your odds are at winning the lottery you can totally get jacked.... although Evans worked out... The draft is HIT or MISS....

Kevin Martin is a proven all star quality talent... you dont trade that for a chance at a good player...

just think about what the odds would be that this player we draft ends up being equal or better than Kevin???

trading great players for picks is retarded... i'd rater just keep Kenny Thomas and try to move NOC with Garcia or something like that....

How great is Kevin Martin, though? I'd rather keep him, but he's certainly not an untouchable. And for a guaranteed top ten pick (worst NY would pick based on their current record is eight, and that's if they get no love in the lottery), I think that's pretty good value for a guy who has had no impact on the team's very promising play so far this season. If we could grab a big man in the draft, we'd have a missing piece to the puzzle.

 

[Superman]

Agree 100%. It is mind boggling to me how people can want to trade a guy that can get 25 a night for a draft pick and an expiring contract. Look at the top 10 picks in the last 2 drafts. Now take out the bigs and how many of those players are lighting it up?

We are slowly coming together, you cant get rid of Martin before you get to see what this new car looks like complete and out of the showroom floor.

Why are we taking the bigs out again? Especially considering that that's what the team needs at this point, is a big man. A top ten pick could mean Blake Griffin or Kevin Love. Of course, it could also mean Spencer Hawes.

 

[xrzn]

How great is Kevin Martin, though? I'd rather keep him, but he's certainly not an untouchable. And for a guaranteed top ten pick (worst NY would pick based on their current record is eight, and that's if they get no love in the lottery), I think that's pretty good value for a guy who has had no impact on the team's very promising play so far this season. If we could grab a big man in the draft, we'd have a missing piece to the puzzle.

Exactly. And with AK's $17.8 million expiring, Kings could also grab a nice piece from free agency to add to the team. Probably not a big time player, but maybe a good bench player or backup center.

 

[reid1boys]

Include the bigs, point is that if you go back to the 2007(top 10 picks)draft, how many of those players are players that if we had any one of them instead of Martin, we would be a contender.

Now factor in the luck in volved with the player you actually draft ending up being a keeper, and your odds get even worse.

Draft= crapshoot.

 

[sidney]

Give up our best trade chip AND lose our cap space this summer? For a possible mid first round pick? No.

Martin + Nocioni = possible
Martin + KT = no

We have to at least be able to shed our primary bad contract if we are going to give up a talent like Martin.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Include the bigs, point is that if you go back to the 2007(top 10 picks)draft, how many of those players are players that if we had any one of them instead of Martin, we would be a contender.

Now factor in the luck in volved with the player you actually draft ending up being a keeper, and your odds get even worse.

Draft= crapshoot.

Well, let's keep in mind we have a GM who is pretty good at craps.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

The draft becomes less of a crapshoot the higher you draft. This is tough. I'd say yes for sure if the knicks were a little worse, but there only a few games out of the playoffs in the weak EC.

An Underrated part of this trade Is AK's contract. You think K9's contract is a good chip... Holy moly 17 mil is really valuable. Epecially when you add Nocioni expiring that summer too, because in reality that's the summer that will matter to us, not this one.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

The draft becomes less of a crapshoot the higher you draft. This is tough. I'd say yes for sure if the knicks were a little worse, but there only a few games out of the playoffs in the weak EC.

An Underrated part of this trade Is AK's contract. You think K9's contract is a good chip... Holy moly 17 mil is really valuable. Epecially when you add Nocioni expiring that summer too, because in reality that's the summer that will matter to us, not this one.

I agree with this. I will say that I would make the Knicks throw in Koufos too. Let's get a legit 7 footer back in the deal if we are sending them an elite scorer and cap relief.

 

[Nighthawk1]

The draft becomes less of a crapshoot the higher you draft. This is tough. I'd say yes for sure if the knicks were a little worse, but there only a few games out of the playoffs in the weak EC.

An Underrated part of this trade Is AK's contract. You think K9's contract is a good chip... Holy moly 17 mil is really valuable. Epecially when you add Nocioni expiring that summer too, because in reality that's the summer that will matter to us, not this one.

Noci's doesn't expire for us in 2011, which is when Ak47's does. People have to think about it this way though, you're basically trading for a bigger expiring next season who is still a good player. Personally I'd prefer Noci + Kmart, but I wouldn't scoff at K9 + KMart. I think sadly people are looking at AK47 like he's washed up but he's still a solid player and a better defender then Noci. We get Korver who is an expiring, so even us trading K9 turns our in our favor a year later. It really depends though on the draft pick. I would say if they want Kmart + K9, they would have to add Fresenko or Koufos to the trade for it to be K9 + Kmart for Korver ($5 million expiring), Ak47 (still good player and a $17 million expiring in 2011), Ny Knicks draft pick (chance at Wall, Favors, ed davis, larry sanders, monroe, cousins, etc..) and Fesenko (young defensive 7 footer)

This deal saves them about 4 million instantly (or if they wanted to insert Noci they save about 1 million more) which puts them under luxury tax... they get Kmart... and we get lots of trade assets, potential draft pick, defensive 7 footer, and a talented AK47 who also turns into trade asset.

Trade really isn't that bad, I'd take it... depending on where the draft pick falls. I trust GP enough to pick pretty freaking well with our lottery draft picks

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Noci's doesn't expire for us in 2011, which is when Ak47's does. People have to think about it this way though, you're basically trading for a bigger expiring next season who is still a good player. Personally I'd prefer Noci + Kmart, but I wouldn't scoff at K9 + KMart. I think sadly people are looking at AK47 like he's washed up but he's still a solid player and a better defender then Noci. We get Korver who is an expiring, so even us trading K9 turns our in our favor a year later. It really depends though on the draft pick. I would say if they want Kmart + K9, they would have to add Fresenko or Koufos to the trade for it to be K9 + Kmart for Korver ($5 million expiring), Ak47 (still good player and a $17 million expiring in 2011), Ny Knicks draft pick (chance at Wall, Favors, ed davis, larry sanders, monroe, cousins, etc..) and Fesenko (young defensive 7 footer)

This deal saves them about 4 million instantly (or if they wanted to insert Noci they save about 1 million more) which puts them under luxury tax... they get Kmart... and we get lots of trade assets, potential draft pick, defensive 7 footer, and a talented AK47 who also turns into trade asset.

Trade really isn't that bad, I'd take it... depending on where the draft pick falls. I trust GP enough to pick pretty freaking well with our lottery draft picks

Ahh brain fart, my bad.

 

[Nighthawk1]

Ahh brain fart, my bad.

no worries i have plenty of them myself