So Long Kings ? ... the potential impact

good but depressing read. =(

KC Kings again??? I'm still one of the believers who thinks LV is still the frontrunner.
Still puzzling is how KC, which is similar to size in Sac, can raise 4 billion bucks to renovate. we still have no arena?? Everyone is at fault, except us fans who want to see our team stay. I hate politics, but its the reason why the kings have a good chance of taking a hike.

Boy that's depressing, but realistic.
 
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Rockmeister said:
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I really believe if we don't get a new arena in the near future, then its goodbye Kings.
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I know that is something that is very possible but im just trying to stay positive and hope that everything works out as all of us are. (Except those in KC or LV)
 
Once again, people are putting words into the mouths of the Maloofs or assuming they know what they're thinking...

The Maloofs said they haven't considered moving the team. They also said they're disappointed the arena deal hasn't moved ahead.

This article doesn't say anything new, IMHO. It's just a way to keep the issue in the public eye.
 
Yep, "potential impacts" - which is a journalist's way of saying let's play make-believe.

;)

I honestly fear that some of these articles are written in the hopes they may become self-fulfilling prophecies. Instead of crying about the sky falling, why not write an article about what could be done to get the city and the Maloofs on the same page? Why not explore other means of private funding? I, for one, would find that kind of article refreshing AND interesting.

But I'm swimming against the tide, I know. Until and unless some kind of deal is made for the new arena, these articles will continue because the Kings are the only game in town and if they leave there WILL be a huge impact.

And I'll have a broken heart.

;)
 
VF21 said:
I honestly fear that some of these articles are written in the hopes they may become self-fulfilling prophecies. Instead of crying about the sky falling, why not write an article about what could be done to get the city and the Maloofs on the same page? Why not explore other means of private funding? I, for one, would find that kind of article refreshing AND interesting.
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I've often thought that myself ... IS THERE A MIDDLE GROUND or HALFWAY POINT ???

The other thing that keeps getting brought up is EDUCATING THE PEOPLE ON THIS ISSUE (frankly, I think this is where all the debate is, pluses/minuses) ... "short-sighted" rather than "years from now".
 
Tick tock. Tick tock.


Haven't lived in Sacto in years, but the inability or unwillingness of the Sacto public to get educated on this issue -- whether it be their fault or the educators' -- has hit the blatant stupidity level at this point. Classic bureaucratic footdragging on the one side, flat out ignorance on the other. And all around the wolves are gathering to watch the farce play out. Sooner or later here, one of these cities is going to break ground on the arena Sacto should have put up itself. Then there will likely be an ultimatum from the Maloofs, looks like a lot of whining from the Sacto side, and maybe I get to go moderate a board for the new KC Kings (seem the more likely candidate with both history and no gambling on their side).

Tick tock. Two years. Three max. Then you lose your team. And quite frankly there will be absolutely nobody to blame who doesn't live in the 916 area code. Least Sacto will still have the Pig Bowl (if they still play that thing). :rolleyes:
 
It's not called the Pig Bowl any longer. Where it was once the county sheriffs vs. Sacto City police, it's now law enforcement vs. the firefighters.

Not sure what they call it nowadays...
 
With such a rabid fan base and garuntees of sellout after sellout, there is no wonder to me why the Maloofs have never considered moving the Kings. A new arena in Sacramento would mean a lot of revenue.
 
I'm not well informed on the whole new arena thing, but i do have one question. Is it the Maloof's that will move the team if no new stadium is built??? And if so, I know Arco is a little old and outdated, but could they choose to stay in the old arena or is that out of the question?
 
SacTownKid said:
With such a rabid fan base and garuntees of sellout after sellout, there is no wonder to me why the Maloofs have never considered moving the Kings. A new arena in Sacramento would mean a lot of revenue.
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And therein lies perhaps the greatest irony of this whole thing -- the very same rabid fans that you would expect to be powering a movement to get a new arena instead seem to be smugly complacent that their rabid-fanness means the Maloofs would never ever go, because after all we're the best right?

There is a rude rude awakening coming down the pipeline for some people. A strong fanbase is basically the ONLY thing Sacto has going for it. Its enough to make a team reluctant to move and give the home town the clear first shot to get an arena built. Its not remotely enough to trump a first, or even second rate package from another city featuring a brand new arena, tax breaks, perks, new kid in town excitement etc. etc.
 
“Excluding the players, there are other small businesses that pay their employees a much larger salary and have more of a benefit to the community,” he says. “I didn’t notice Los Angeles sinking into the Pacific when the Rams and Raiders left.”

This line disgusted me.

Could this be because Los Angeles has the Lakers, Clippers, Dodgers, Angels, and the L.A. Kings???

Sac has only the Kings.
 
thesanityannex said:
I'm not well informed on the whole new arena thing, but i do have one question. Is it the Maloof's that will move the team if no new stadium is built??? And if so, I know Arco is a little old and outdated, but could they choose to stay in the old arena or is that out of the question?
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Arco Arena isn't a little old and outdated, it's a LOT old and outdated. It wasn't built to last a long period of time; it was built for then, not now. It's only getting older, and the problems are getting worse. It's a matter of time before it simply doesn't meet the needs of anyone.

If the team is to continue to stay in Sacramento, they will eventually need a new place to play. If that doesn't happen, the Maloofs will move the team.

It isn't just about the Kings, however, and that's what is so sad. The arena is a hub for activity; there are a lot of other things that occur there, from concerts to youth tournaments, monster trucks to ???? A first-class arena would be good for Sacramento and the neighboring areas. The ripple effect of events is far-reaching - from hotels to restaurants to taxis to other entertainment venues.

People need to quit acting as though it's just about the Kings, because it's not.
 
stevetaebo said:
Still puzzling is how KC, which is similar to size in Sac, can raise 4 billion bucks to renovate. we still have no arena?? Everyone is at fault, except us fans who want to see our team stay. I hate politics, but its the reason why the kings have a good chance of taking a hike.

Boy that's depressing, but realistic.
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Why was Kansas City able to fund the new arena? Hmmmmm. Is it a coincidence that they HAD an NBA franchise and after losing it finally realized how good it might be to try and get one back?

Just something to think about.
 
I've never been to Sac but I would think that as the state capital, it would need a decent arena but maybe that's the problem, all the politicians are there. They can raise money for reelection but not something that benefits the community and ultimately them. If it was really close to LA then I could understand people could travel there.
Politics should not mix with sports but unfortunately it does.
I hope they stay, it would be weird saying LV kings or KC or wherever.
 
VF21 said:
It's not called the Pig Bowl any longer. Where it was once the county sheriffs vs. Sacto City police, it's now law enforcement vs. the firefighters.

Not sure what they call it nowadays...
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I think they call it 'Guns and Hoses' now.
 
Bricklayer said:
And therein lies perhaps the greatest irony of this whole thing -- the very same rabid fans that you would expect to be powering a movement to get a new arena instead seem to be smugly complacent that their rabid-fanness means the Maloofs would never ever go, because after all we're the best right?

There is a rude rude awakening coming down the pipeline for some people. A strong fanbase is basically the ONLY thing Sacto has going for it. Its enough to make a team reluctant to move and give the home town the clear first shot to get an arena built. Its not remotely enough to trump a first, or even second rate package from another city featuring a brand new arena, tax breaks, perks, new kid in town excitement etc. etc.
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Hit the nail on the head, Brick.
Just something else to think about. a sell out at ARCO is 17317. A NON sell out at most other arenas may actually boast numbers higher than this and just not be capacity for that venue. Take a look where we rank in TOTAL attendence and we are near the bottom dwellers of the league.
Would the Maloofs prefer to keep the team here? Absolutely. Will they keep the team here if no deal is reached? No smart business would.
Worse, even the 'rabid' fans seem divided on the need for a new arena, like it's a choice.
 
I don't live in Sacto, but I know they are great fans, so I would never want them to leave. Arco arena has a college like feel, with the small stadium and the raucous crowd and that's part of the reason the homecourt advantage is so great for them. That's why I don't think they will leave and that's why I don't want them to leave. They do need a new stadium though, regardless if the energy in the building is the same or not.
 
Were working on a deal to move them up here to Yuba City, since Sac doesn't seem to want them. ?? They will keep the same fan base for the most part and you Sac guy's will just have to drive up here... LOL............

Remember this - "Build it and they will come"


If Sac "Doesn't build it" - "they will go" and this is a fact everyone!!!!
 
Brick, it sounds to me like you are directly blaming kings fans for what is going on (or not going on) with a new arena. The maloofs are directly to blame for not educating the public. Who has any idea how much a new arena will cost? Location? How much are the maloofs willing to spend? Naming rights? Will the city get a slice of the concessions? Etc, etc, etc. The maloofs silence has been deafening throughout this whole process.
 
I havent heard any lobbying on tv or radio. I put the maloofs right there with Gov. Swar. They both have some good ideas but are doing a horrible job of selling them to the public.
 
sanchosforhire said:
Brick, it sounds to me like you are directly blaming kings fans for what is going on (or not going on) with a new arena. The maloofs are directly to blame for not educating the public. Who has any idea how much a new arena will cost? Location? How much are the maloofs willing to spend? Naming rights? Will the city get a slice of the concessions? Etc, etc, etc. The maloofs silence has been deafening throughout this whole process.
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Actually, what he said was Kings fans will have no one to blame but ourselves if this comes to pass. It is not the Maloofs job to push it through against all opposition. The Maloofs are not the sole ones to blame for the lack of education the general public has on this matter, and I happen to agree that they (along WITH the city council) should make this the number 1 priority. I think they probably thought the deal for a new CITY Arena could be done without them looking like they were the ones pushing it, which seems to be a big point of contention among people against the idea. In retrospect, they should have gone about it different, and I'm sure they would. But it is what it is now. Assesing blame on why it is the situation it is now isn't going to get anything done on it.
 
sanchosforhire said:
I havent heard any lobbying on tv or radio. I put the maloofs right there with Gov. Swar. They both have some good ideas but are doing a horrible job of selling them to the public.
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1. Please keep political references out of it...

2. Why should the Maloofs lobby for anything? And what exactly would you like them to say? "Please build us an arena"?

Now, for your other comments:

Brick, it sounds to me like you are directly blaming kings fans for what is going on (or not going on) with a new arena. The maloofs are directly to blame for not educating the public. Who has any idea how much a new arena will cost? Location? How much are the maloofs willing to spend? Naming rights? Will the city get a slice of the concessions? Etc, etc, etc. The maloofs silence has been deafening throughout this whole process.
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Oh please... Most of those answers are out there. First, the cost of an arena that would meet most needs has been estimated to be $400-$500 million. That would vary, of course, depending on where it's built. The location is one of the points of disagreement so to state the Maloofs haven't educated the public about that is naive. The Maloofs have already stated several times they would be willing to pony up with a portion of the cost. I don't have the exact figures at my fingertips but it has been repeated numerous times in the Bee. What about naming rights? They would be put out for sale, like virtually every other arena, if the people who build the facility have a brain in their heads. As far as the concessions go, that's icing on the cake and something you negotiate further down the road.

Sorry, but for you to say the Maloof's silence has been deafening sounds to me like you haven't been listening.
 
VF21 said:
1. Please keep political references out of it...

2. Why should the Maloofs lobby for anything? And what exactly would you like them to say? "Please build us an arena"?

Now, for your other comments:



Oh please... Most of those answers are out there. First, the cost of an arena that would meet most needs has been estimated to be $400-$500 million. That would vary, of course, depending on where it's built. The location is one of the points of disagreement so to state the Maloofs haven't educated the public about that is naive. The Maloofs have already stated several times they would be willing to pony up with a portion of the cost. I don't have the exact figures at my fingertips but it has been repeated numerous times in the Bee. What about naming rights? They would be put out for sale, like virtually every other arena, if the people who build the facility have a brain in their heads. As far as the concessions go, that's icing on the cake and something you negotiate further down the road.

Sorry, but for you to say the Maloof's silence has been deafening sounds to me like you haven't been listening.
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Oh I've been listening and I have to disagree with you about the Maloofs. I have read many articles and listened to radio, newspaper, and television interviews whenever available for years now as most rabid Kings fans do. They have danced around the issue of what their "fair share" is. They have been asked directly what they would contribute by newspaper, radio, and televison journalists. There vague and ambiguous answers only add clouds of mystery to what they will pony up. They have NEVER given a dollar amount. They have only stated that they would pay what would not put them at "competitive disadvantage". Well, what is that. They have given virtually no specifics on anything related to the arena other than what it should cost to build and that it should be state of the art.
They have done an awful public relations job on trying to sell it to the community. What have they said or done to get people behind it. All I have heard is their reactions to repeated failures of proposed financing of which they have not facilitated. They have to take some responsibility for failing to get the public behind it.
Many uninformed people see the "billionaire owners" as Graswich repeatadly refers to them, as building the hottest casino in Vegas, and another addition to it, raking in tons of cash. Many Sacramentans feel why should they pay for it when Joe and Gavin are spending like crazy in Vegas. They dont understand that these businesses are two separate entities and that one produces revenue whole the other is more of a loss leader and makes very little money, if any. The perception of these rich guys, right or wrong, is out there.
I love the Kings, the Maloofs, and what they have done for the this franchise and for what they have given back to the community but, up to this point they have failed miserably at leading the charge to get a new arena. At some point soon, they need to step up and start getting the masses informed and educated with specifics.
Oh, and for the record. I am willing to pay an extra tax to keep our Kings here.
 
The biggest desire for team owners seeking new facilities over the past 25 years or so is the ability to have "private boxes" that they can sell for enormous sums to local business interests (who, in turn, use them as a write off for client "entertainment"). And, depending upon the lease arrangements between the teams and the cities, the combination of parking, concessions and souvineers (sp?) just isn't enough now days requiring private box sales as another avenue of revenue. Sacramento's problem, as I see it, is a lack of major industries to sell boxes to. Sure, they would sell but not at the prices that, say, the Lakers get at Staples. So, to my way of thinking, it means our fan base must be more represented on a daily basis by making the stadium that much more bigger...say 23-24 thousand which puts the price tag closer to $500 million than $400 million. But the major sticking point, I think, is the location and the peripheral sale of ag land to contractors to build homes on all the way to the Yuba/Sutter county lines. Now you're talking more players and mega-government intervention when you take ag land out of production.
 
elektrik - One interesting note, since you brought up Graswich and his proclivity for calling them the "Billionaire Maloofs." He hasn't done it lately. In fact, the last three or four references to the Maloofs have been almost respectful...
 
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