Shooting Guard Rankings

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I posted the Point Guard Rankings a couple of days before, and now here is the Shooting Guard Rankings from the same writer:







And without further adieu, here are our top 10 shooting guards for the 2005-06 season, and a few more:

1. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat



Ht./Wt. 6-4, 210
Numbers: 24.1 pts., 5.2 reb., 6.8 ast.
Wade became the "It Player" during last year's playoffs. Strong, smooth and extraordinarily gifted, his best quality might just be his humility. And when you consider that he is just entering his third season ... it just puts everything in perspective. The fifth player taken in the special 2003 draft — after LeBron James, Darko Milicic, Carmelo Anthony and Chris Bosh — may indeed end up being the best of all.

2. Ray Allen, Seattle SuperSonics



Ht./Wt. 6-5, 205
Numbers: 23.9 pts., 4.4 reb., 3.7 ast.
Just when everybody thought the Sonics were headed to the cellar for good and Allen along with them, he gathered the troops and not only explained, but showed them how to win. He became an upper-crust superstar for good during the playoffs with a slew of extra-terrestrial performances against the Kings and Spurs that exceeded expectations even for Allen.

3. Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers





Ht./Wt. 6-6, 220
Numbers: 27.6 pts., 5.9 reb., 6.0 ast.
He's still the best package of talent, with the size, strength, quickness, defense and offensive skills. But there is so much resentment and disdain for his selfishness that he has to overcome that it tends to supersede his wondrous gifts. And it is amazingly ironic that Phil Jackson would return to coach after a one-year hiatus to help him prove otherwise.

4. Tracy McGrady, Houston Rockets



Ht./Wt. 6-8, 210
Numbers: 25.7 pts., 6.2 reb., 5.7 ast.
T-Mac appeared to do everything humanly possible in the first round of last year's playoffs against Dallas, and still couldn't prevent the Rockets from blowing a 2-0 lead coming home. It's too easy to point the finger at the irrefutable fact that he has never gotten out of the first round, but it's also why he's ranked no better than fourth.

5. Vince Carter, New Jersey Nets



Ht./Wt. 6-6, 220
Numbers: 24.5 pts., 5.2 reb., 4.2 ast.
There is still Vinsanity to reckon with, but the difference is in the definition. No longer is his talent what keeps fans in awe, but the contradiction of his great play to his frequent disappearing acts. He was outstanding down the stretch last season to get the Nets into the playoffs. Now in Year Two we'll find out how deep his commitment is. Plenty of people still need to be convinced.

6. Manu Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs



Ht./Wt. 6-6, 210
Numbers: 16.0 pts., 4.4 reb., 3.9 ast.
Many insiders watching the seven-game win over the Pistons believed it was Ginobili, not Tim Duncan, who should have been the MVP of the finals, and that it was backlash to commissioner David Stern's globalization theme that skewed voting from the writers. Whatever the case, Ginobili now is a legitimate All-Star in every phase of the game and getting better, regardless of whether he was raised in Argentina or Brooklyn.

7. Steve Francis, Orlando Magic



Ht./Wt. 6-3, 205
Numbers: 21.3 pts., 5.8 reb., 7.0 ast.
Stevie Franchise had hoped for bigger and better things with the Magic last season, only to suffer another disappointing trip into the lottery. He is not a point guard, nor a shooting guard. He is a guard, with exceptional talent, who just dribbles way, way, too much. Somebody else will play point, so he is a two, and we'll see if new coach Brian Hill can help him gain some consistency.

8. Michael Redd, Milwaukee Bucks



Ht./Wt. 6-6, 215
Numbers: 23.0 pts., 4.2 reb., 2.3 ast.
He has moved into the "elite player" category contract-wise and without question shooting-wise. But can he rise to the level of a player who helps his team win? The Bucks were a major disappointment last season and have added two key players in Andrew Bogut and Bobby Simmons, and new coach Terry Stotts. Now Redd has to prove he deserves the money and plaudits by leading them to the playoffs.

9. Richard Hamilton, Detroit Pistons



Ht./Wt. 6-7, 195
Numbers: 18.7 pts., 3.9 reb., 4.9 ast.
Rip's all-around improvement defensively and passing the ball have been vastly overlooked in the wake of the Pistons' back-to-back Eastern Conference titles. He remains one of the top two or three mid-range shooters in the game and is getting better all the time at setting up his teammates as well. Just because he's skinny, doesn't mean he can't play. He's potentially Reggie Miller with less range.

10. Joe Johnson, Atlanta Hawks



Ht./Wt. 6-7, 230
Numbers: 17.1 pts., 5.1 reb., 3.5 ast.
It's hard to figure what will happen to this marvelously talented 24-year-old now that he's going to the Hawks. A natural shooting guard, maybe he becomes a point guard, maybe a small forward. Whatever the case, he's the only other player who has the complete game on both ends of the floor and shooting touch to rival Bryant. The difference is, he may be too nice of a guy. Also under consideration: Larry Hughes, Cleveland Cavaliers; Michael Finley, free agent; Jason Richardson, Golden State Warriors; Jalen Rose, Toronto Raptors; Cuttino Mobley, Los Angeles Clippers; Stephen Jackson, Indiana Pacers.

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Here's the link for the whole article: http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/4806088
 
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I totally agree with Wade at the number 1 position. IMHO, he was the one who truly led the Heat to the ECF(not Shaq, though some will surely argue about this), and if he was 100% in the last two games they would be playing the Spurs and not the Pistons.
 
Although subjective rankings like this don't mean a thing they are very interesting to look at. However, for my money, Kobe has to be #1 on that list. They guy has three rings and has hit more clutch shots than all of the other guys on that list combined. I'm not a Kobe fan at all, but as a basketball fan it's hard to not just shake your head at his ability.
 
I agree that Kobe is the best Shooting Guard in the list IF you were playing one on one basketball. I think he would trash anyone on that list. But as a leader, he just simply sucks.
 
SG don't even have to be leaders, just basketball playerse, not one on one players.

Give me Wade, Allen, Manu, and T-Mac before you give me Kobe.

Unless I can trade him for one of those guys plus change :D.

Or KG *chuckles*
 
Vince Carter #5? Excuse me... I have to go be seriously and violently ill. I think that's a slap in the face to Manu, Redd, Hamilton and probably many more.
 
Kobe is better than Wade, Allen and Manu. The other guys aren't even on Kobe's level with the exception of McGrady. McGrady with his size and range is the only one who might be better than Kobe.

Besides being a bit soft, Carter is still a darn good ball player.
 
Kobe is number one, no way you can question that. 1 good post season and Wade is on top? No way. For as much as I hate the guy, I respect Kobe and his 3 rings (even though one should be ours). He is still a phenomenal player and proven over many years. DWade should be 2, maybe 3 if TMac goes in at 2. That leaves Allen somewhere between 2-4. Carter shouldn't be that high, but I suppose there is no one else to go up there, it is debateable whoever goes up. I'd put 5-Ginobili 6-Johnson 7-Carter 8-Rip 9-Francis 10-Redd, maybe put Hughes J-Rich or Rose at 9/10.
 
I'd put Kobe and T-Mac at the top, followed by Wade and Manu. I'd put Allen at 5...and Carter remains one of the most overrated players in the NBA.
 
BobbyJ_for3! said:
SG don't even have to be leaders, just basketball playerse, not one on one players.

Give me Wade, Allen, Manu, and T-Mac before you give me Kobe.

Unless I can trade him for one of those guys plus change :D.

Or KG *chuckles*

I'm sorry, but are you on drugs? Manu over Kobe? Let me put it for you this way: what would happen if Kobe was on the Spurs instead of Manu? I'd guess they would have one, say, the last 5 championships. The Sonics with Kobe instead of Allen would have stood a good chance of taking out the Spurs. What if Kobe was on the Heat instead of Wade? Squabbles aside, we have seen what Shaq and Kobe can do together. On the Rockets, well, they'd still fall short. TMac is an amazing player, and I might put him on an even level Kobe.

Imagine this:
Bibby
Kobe
Peja
SAR
Brad
Tell me you would say no to that. I hate Kobe as much as anyone, but give the man his due. On the basketball court, if nothing else.
 
Noone serious can put Ray Allen ahead of Kobe and McGrady.
I mean, is this based on how Allen played against Mobley ?
 
VF21 said:
Vince Carter #5? Excuse me... I have to go be seriously and violently ill. I think that's a slap in the face to Manu, Redd, Hamilton and probably many more.

It's a slap in face of Manu and that's it, and even that is questionable if you take away Duncan factor. Vince is an excellent player, but he was always asked to do too much. On the other hand, he is much more injury prone than anyone else on that list.
 
captain bill said:
What if Kobe was on the Heat instead of Wade? Squabbles aside, we have seen what Shaq and Kobe can do together.

If Kobe was with the heat they would have been *****slapped again by the Pistons like they did in the 2004 Finals. You cannot put the squabbles aside, because that is a part of Kobe. You cannot put another superstar with Kobe. That is his BIGGEST flaw. The can guy can ball, heck, he can blow away most of the guys in the NBA, i'd give him that. I would even say that he is one of the greatest ever. But right now, heading into the new season, i would definitely rank him lower than Wade, using last season's performances as basis.
 
I'd go like this:

1. Kobe (still the best)
2. D-Wade
3. Manu
4. Ray Allen
5. Vince Carter

I'd take Kobe over them all.
 
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dukeswh said:
If Kobe was with the heat they would have been *****slapped again by the Pistons like they did in the 2004 Finals. You cannot put the squabbles aside, because that is a part of Kobe. You cannot put another superstar with Kobe. That is his BIGGEST flaw. The can guy can ball, heck, he can blow away most of the guys in the NBA, i'd give him that. I would even say that he is one of the greatest ever. But right now, heading into the new season, i would definitely rank him lower than Wade, using last season's performances as basis.

Right, and all those squabbles got in the way of him ever being successful. It's not like he and Shaq ever had success together, it was just all fighting and nothing else. I would take a dysfunctional team if it meant getting a ring, especially 3. Yes, being dysfunctional is his greatest flaw, but that doesn't mean it outweighs everything else. Everyone has a flaw. Wade is young, unproven, and had one good postseason run that ended as soon as he ran into a legit contender to play against, and that was with a great supporting cast. Kobe had an absolute horrendous team to play with and still had a pretty good season.
 
Kings113 said:
I'd go like this:

1. Kobe (still the best)
2. D-Wade
3. Manu
4. T-Mac
5. Ray Allen

I'd take Kobe over them all.

I would have to agree, but eventhough Manu is a great player in Pop's system , I would be hard pressed to rank him over T-mac or Ray- Ray.
 
Well, over Allen because of Manu's age and versatility. While Allen hasn't had as many oppurtunities, Manu's post-season play has been great each year, and has gotten better each year. I know that sounds kinda unfair, but regardless of times, I think that's a factor. But mainly because of the former reason. Manu truly reached that "unstoppable star player" last season.

T-Mac, talent-wise? I'd say no, but similar to Allen with the post-season reason.
 
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It's hard to say, because until Tmac or Ray have a presence like Tim Duncan or Shaq, they may never go very far in the playoffs. They both played unbeliveably this past post season, but having someone like TD in the lineup, just takes you to that next level. But I agree post season (record) wise, it's a no brainer.
 
Combination of speed, ball-handling, agility, touch, and clutch play? ..Hey I hate the man more than anything, but their isn't a better shooting guard on the planet than Kobe Bryant.
 
KingKong said:
It's hard to say, because until Tmac or Ray have a presence like Tim Duncan or Shaq, they may never go very far in the playoffs. They both played unbeliveably this past post season, but having someone like TD in the lineup, just takes you to that next level. But I agree post season (record) wise, it's a no brainer.

Yeah.
 
Maybe they should re-name this list to "guys who had a good year last year". It's painfully obvious that whichever team goes furthest in the playoffs and therefore keeps themselves in the public radar the longest is going to be rewarded every year by finding their star players filling out lists like this one. Sure there are a few stragglers like Kobe Bryant who didn't make the playoffs, but he won the finals three years in a row so he's obviously still on the radar. Redd gets a free pass this year for being the number one free agent of the summer. I doubt he would have gotten a mention otherwise. This position doesn't have the same problem as the point guard list does because the SG spot lets you make an impact on the court in whatever way you are best at. But given how many of the games stars play the SG position, the choice of who is the "best of the best" definately seems biased towards recent history. Which I guess is the whole point of these lists, but for it to really be what it claims to be, I'd like to see consistency better rewarded. And that means Wade's got to play more than two years in the league before he earns the number 1 spot for the NBA's most star-studded position.
 
captain bill said:
Right, and all those squabbles got in the way of him ever being successful. It's not like he and Shaq ever had success together, it was just all fighting and nothing else. I would take a dysfunctional team if it meant getting a ring, especially 3. Yes, being dysfunctional is his greatest flaw, but that doesn't mean it outweighs everything else. Everyone has a flaw. Wade is young, unproven, and had one good postseason run that ended as soon as he ran into a legit contender to play against, and that was with a great supporting cast. Kobe had an absolute horrendous team to play with and still had a pretty good season.

From what i saw from kobe during their success(LA Lakers with Shaq in the lineup), he accepted the role of being a sidekick to Shaq. It was alright with him during those 3 championships to be no. 2 on the team. But one morning he woke up and realized "Hey, i'm a great player, i should be the one leading this team." Hence, the squables with Shaq ensued. Sure he had a great season this year, but did the Lakers had? Did his teammates had?

From what i understand from the article, the writer ranked the players as who is the best Shooting Guard heading into the 2005-2006 season. It's like a continuation of the season that ended. With that in mind, who do you think was the best Shooting Guard in the NBA when the 2005 season ended? or Who was the most successful of the bunch? And keep in mind, Wade was injured with the Heat leading 3-2. when he did not play for Game 6, the Heat recorded a franchise low for points in Game 6. Who knows what could have happened if he was 100% for those two games. And from what i believe he set a franchise record for points-per-game.

So if the ranking was based on who is the best Shooting Guard in the NBA today, i would rank Kobe as No. 1, hands down. But if the ranking is who is the best shooting guard during the 2005 season(as i understand the article is based on), i would say Dwyane Wade without batting an eyelash.
 
im sorry but how can you people rank wade and manu better than tmac? thats ridiculous.... he single handedly killed the spurs over the course of 13 seconds.... and tmac would be a lot more dangerous on the spurs than manu or even wade would ever be....

and though i hate the lakers..... kobe is the best shooting guard in the nba.... without a shadow of a doubt....
 
VF21 said:
Vince Carter #5? Excuse me... I have to go be seriously and violently ill. I think that's a slap in the face to Manu, Redd, Hamilton and probably many more.

slap in the face? are u kidding? carter single handedly got the nets to the playoffs. a midseason trade that brought carter to the lowly nets looked to be only a thing for the following year. but what did he do? the most 30 point games in a half a season after being traded to a new team and squeeked by the drowning cavs for the 8th and final playoff spot. the guys got skills. the only reason people bash him is for his last years in toronto. that organization is completly F***ed up. excuse my language. he couldnt stand being there and look what he did in a new environment. for what he did last year, he should be number 1 on that list(ok, maybe not number 1, but u know what i mean). just watch out ladies and gentlemen next year. carter is gonna steal the show. whats redd and hamilton done thats so great to make putting carter ahead of them a slap in the face? redds never seen the playoffs. hamiltons a choke artist in the playoffs. and for manu, as much as i hate his game but i still know hes great, is not even in the same category as carter.
 
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captain bill said:
I'm sorry, but are you on drugs? Manu over Kobe? Let me put it for you this way: what would happen if Kobe was on the Spurs instead of Manu? I'd guess they would have one, say, the last 5 championships. The Sonics with Kobe instead of Allen would have stood a good chance of taking out the Spurs. What if Kobe was on the Heat instead of Wade? Squabbles aside, we have seen what Shaq and Kobe can do together. On the Rockets, well, they'd still fall short. TMac is an amazing player, and I might put him on an even level Kobe.

Imagine this:
Bibby
Kobe
Peja
SAR
Brad
Tell me you would say no to that. I hate Kobe as much as anyone, but give the man his due. On the basketball court, if nothing else.

Drugs? Only when watching the Kings shoot free throws...

Kobe is a great basketball player and an amazing clutch shooter. The bottom line is he is not the player to build a franchise around. I hate Shaq even more, but Shaq and Kobe with that supporting cast in Phil Jackson's triangle offense winning 3 championships shoudl be credited more to Shaq. I mean, obvioulsy we dont nkow, but do you see them as championship contenders this year with Phil back? Just because Kobe is on the team?

Hopefully not.

And as for all those scenarios of him being elsewhere, the other players would get less touches and less shots. Kobe is a shot guzzler (cousin to a gas guzzler). Sure, he has passed very well during stretches, but we all know he is more of a one-on-one player. You can say that is good enough to be the #1 SG, but, at least to me, basketball is a team game. It's not swimming, its waterpolo. It's not track, its football. Team over individual is what I'm saying.

"Kobe's team won 3 championships, so of course he was a team player enough."

a)not kobes team.
b)should have been 2.
c)winning does not equal teamwork.

"Kobe is the most talented player in the league by miles."

Do we measure playeres purely by talent? It's like picking rookies by potential. Wait...lol

Bad example :D.

Anyways, Kobe canNOT carry a team, even with PJ back. Guys who can? Allen, Wade (rookie year). If Wade can do it without Shaq as a rookie, why can't Kobe?

Answer me that.

(speaking of answering, sorry I took so long to...hopefuly I didnt screw up or bring up points from the current arguments)
 
i always laugh when i hear clutch and kobe in the same sentence. kobes hit how many clutch shots in the playoffs? the only one i can think of is that game 2 finals against detroit when he forced OT with a three. regular season clutch? sure. but ive even seen paul pierce hit more clutch shots than kobe in the playoffs.
 
ONEZERO said:
i always laugh when i hear clutch and kobe in the same sentence. kobes hit how many clutch shots in the playoffs? the only one i can think of is that game 2 finals against detroit when he forced OT with a three. regular season clutch? sure. but ive even seen paul pierce hit more clutch shots than kobe in the playoffs.

I think your confusing being "clutch" with hitting game winners. You don't have to win the game in order to be clutch, although that's when there is the most pressure. It doesn't even have to be a shot, a simple steal, assist or even a defensive stop under pressure with time winding down can all be clutch plays. Larry Bird was great a getting the timely steal and assist that made the difference in the game. Do you not remember the Kings/ Lakers WCF when it was Kobe and Bibby going at each other hitting clutch shot after shot? The fact is when the game is on the line, I wouldn't want the ball in any other hands besides Kobe or Bibby.
 
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