[News] Scott Perry is the new GM of Sacramento Kings

I mean, do we REALLY think between Monk/Dev/Nique they couldn't have figured this out to some extent? All 3 would be perfectly capable of dribbling the ball up the court and getting the ball in Domas and DDR's hands (as we pretty much do now).

And again, if this was Perry's true thoughts that we HAD to bring someone on... you don't get to eat your cake before your veggies. He should have see how adding 2 ball-dominant ball-handlers would severely diminish everyone else in the back-court. And they have, including LaVine. So the "veteran presence" effectively killed everyone's value lol because they aren't starting caliber big minute players anymore.

The question then comes to what makes a PG? This is a team with Domas, he needs to be the PG if you're getting remotely close to full value out of him anyway. Fox was a PG? Yeah, lets see what Carter and Clifford do, they clearly aren't just SG's, they're combo's at the very least which is different. Fox averaged around 6.5 assists per 36 and he's a PG? Carter is obviously on low reps but he's right at 5 per 36 and just like last season when he got to play PG before being almost exclusively off the ball he's 4th on the team in AP36. He's making plays, now it's time to refine it. Carter and Clifford can be close IMO if they actually get a chance to run the offense.

Right now the next step is leaning less on DeMar and Russ to run the show and let the young guys work through the hurdles. Clifford flubbed some plays at the end and in the end that's exactly what you want if you're the Kings. Players learn by making those mistakes. If the cuffs are finally off Carter and Clifford then this season might not be a total loss.
 
OK, but why should he had wasted his time asking if he already knew what the answer would've been?

i don't think it is EVER a "waste of time" for one gm to talk to another.

matter of fact, that was vlade's biggest drawback - he seemed to have no sources, so, he was out of the loop on the Atlanta (Trae)/Dallas (Luka) draft switch when that happened and he was even MORE clueless when he did not know mccollum was available at a time when we were looking to pair DA with the correct backcourt partner. In that case, I looked at the deal between Portland and New Orleans and thought, "we could have made a MUCH better offer" (if we'd only known).

in this case, Milwaukee stated it's terms (a piece to build around and three future #1's) and it looked like we could meet those terms if they considered keegan as "a piece to build around" (certainly the Kings do - i think).

I don't know if he actually IS that, but THAT is why you make the call, to get a free opinion from another GM.

On my trade deadline thread in the Personnel section, I suggested making the call not primarily about Giannis but asking about the availability of Pete Nance (the Bucks showcased him again last night, playing him the entire fourth quarter) and then working around to, "so - what are you going to do about Giannis - if you and i were able to work out a deal, do you think he would be opposed to coming to Sacramento?

But no - don't make that call because qwerty already knows your answer - so, listen to the expert.
 
Perry is a fraud. Just another in a long line of GMs that talks a big game but has no results to show for it. I can only measure him off what he’s done so far. Dennis Schroeder, Russel Westbrook, Dario Saric, Drew Eubanks. These were his additions. Props on Cardwell as an undrafted FA and Max as a second rounder but I’m still skeptical on Nique (Justin Jackson 2.0) though he has looked a little better as of late. Hunter addition was meh. There seems to be no direction other than just lose games and hope the lottery saves us, which frankly takes no foresight.
 
People really mad at Perry for not cleaning up Vivek's mess in one trade season?

Deebo and Zach will tank us into good picks 2 years in a row and then expire, if you're looking for a silver lining.

I'm surprised Domas didn't get more action but it is what it is.

Let's hope. The situation is ambiguous, which is very common for Kings' fans to deal with.
 
To your neophyte head coach whom you likely hired as a stopgap to appease your owner? What GM worth his salt cares what Doug Christie wants in a gap year? The guy's not Tom Thibodeau. He doesn't have that kind of clout, to be forcing roster decisions in a critical season for evaluation. More to the point, Perry gave Doug his PG when he signed Dennis Schroder... and then he went out and signed Russell Westbrook just for kicks! He doubled down on the bad decision-making! If you're the GM walking into this mess, you simply cannot be driven by whimsy or caprice. It's madness to waste your first year the way Scott Perry has.

The fans feel cheated for a reason. Many of them might not even know why, but it's because, to this point, this season has meant nothing. DeRozan and Westbrook have had their fun, and it's amounted to nothing. Both remain on the roster, and the Kings are no closer to understanding what they have in some of their young pieces. They've got 30 games left, but that amount of time is not helping you answer the kinds of questions you're meant to ask yourself when you're the GM of an NBA franchise.
I'd feel cheated if I was paying too.

But we're executing a strip down and tank perfectly. There were no trades for picks so he did nothing. The losing will continue and our own picks will have to do for now.
 
They are talking on 1140 about how seriously sour Zach's attitude was last night. He obviously wants out. I didn't see Monk look very happy either. Didn't look happy walking off the floor during the game and not meeting Doug's eye. That can sink the ship right there, especially with Christie being as weak as he is. Very BAD CULTURE (This one's for you, Perry). All in all, Perry gets a D- so far in my book. He gets the team a little longer, but delay and dithering is what this team has done for years now and my toleration for it is nil.
 
They are talking on 1140 about how seriously sour Zach's attitude was last night. He obviously wants out. I didn't see Monk look very happy either. Didn't look happy walking off the floor during the game and not meeting Doug's eye. That can sink the ship right there, especially with Christie being as weak as he is. Very BAD CULTURE (This one's for you, Perry). All in all, Perry gets a D- so far in my book. He gets the team a little longer, but delay and dithering is what this team has done for years now and my toleration for it is nil.
F Zach. He and his agent worked this deal to get here and he has done 💩 to help us out for it. He has an exit if he doesn't want to be here. Take it. Please. We beg you. Go away.

D is about the only grade I can give him today but an incomplete with a full letter grade deduction for a late assignment might be appropriate if he gets rid of some of these guys in the offseason without converting them into worse assets or giving away picks. If we enter 2027 with flexibility to absorb contracts for picks or become the beneficiary facilitating 3-way trades I'm all for it. It's just too late and yet too soon (from the beam team) all at once.
 
F Zach. He and his agent worked this deal to get here and he has done 💩 to help us out for it. He has an exit if he doesn't want to be here. Take it. Please. We beg you. Go away.

D is about the only grade I can give him today but an incomplete with a full letter grade deduction for a late assignment might be appropriate if he gets rid of some of these guys in the offseason without converting them into worse assets or giving away picks. If we enter 2027 with flexibility to absorb contracts for picks or become the beneficiary facilitating 3-way trades I'm all for it. It's just too late and yet too soon (from the beam team) all at once.
Perry is soooo far from complete that the term "incomplete" is incomplete to describe him. He hasn't even gotten rid of the garbage that he brought in. Just keep kicking that can down the road.
 
I'd feel cheated if I was paying too.

But we're executing a strip down and tank perfectly. There were no trades for picks so he did nothing. The losing will continue and our own picks will have to do for now.
It's not a perfect tank by any means. You can't have players that totally go against your ethos of playing hard, especially on defense, when you have Westbrook, Zach and DDR on it. By doing so the organization is showing they have no integrity, they are mouthing the words with no accountability, and the youngsters are looking at this and going.... WHAT??!
 
Perry is soooo far from complete that the term "incomplete" is incomplete to describe him. He hasn't even gotten rid of the garbage that he brought in. Just keep kicking that can down the road.
The garbage he brought in won't be here next season if they're even here in two weeks. He did get us three rookies, at least two of which people here are over the moon with so far. Hunter is absolutely an incomplete.

The fact he didn't cripple us by desperately moving Monte's trash is very very frustrating but it could still work out positively vs. if he had made further bad moves compounding the nightmare.
 
It's not a perfect tank by any means. You can't have players that totally go against your ethos of playing hard, especially on defense, when you have Westbrook, Zach and DDR on it. By doing so the organization is showing they have no integrity, they are mouthing the words with no accountability, and the youngsters are looking at this and going.... WHAT??!
We are losing and they will all be gone.
 
If what James ham said is true, in terms of the Kings having to move their own picks in order to move Lavine or DeMar, i don’t blame Scott Perry for saying hell no. Doesn’t make any sense and fans would just be upset for another reason
I am unimpressed by Scott Perry, but I would have been furious with him if he threw valuable draft compensation in to get rid of contracts. There is absolutely no reason to at this point.

- With our vets on the court, we are bad (no risk of bad lottery odds).
- I'd like to see the young guys get more playing time, but lets be honest, we don't have any blue chip rookies on this roster. Role players at best.
- All of our vets generally seem like solid guys. Maybe Zach is a little grouchy, but for a terrible team, our morale doesn't seem all that bad.
- All of the money will be coming off the books before we are even sniffing the playoffs again.

I wanted some trade action because this team is oh so very boring right now. But that's just my instant gratification. If we step out 50,000 feet, I'm willing to see where things end up after the draft and any other rebuilding type moves we can make in the offseason. At that point, I think we will have a better idea of how promising things might look over the next couple years. My opinion is that Perry will only be a "good" GM if he lucks out in the draft (if that happens, I just don't want him to mess things up). Otherwise, I think he's at best middling / non-difference maker GM.
 
Can you give me examples (backed with citable sources) of instances when one GM made a call to another GM for the sole purpose of getting a "free opinion"?

Sure, I'll give you two (you probably don't know one of these stories):

These have to do with the 1988 NBA draft, at a time where Coaches served as quasi-Gm's themselves

During the early summer, the 76ers let it be known that had about had it with Charles Barkley and would be willing to trade him.

The Clippers had the first pick AND the sixth pick of that draft (The 76ers had pick #3) and they had already agreed to terms with Danny Manning. (to be the #1)

But they contacted Philly, thinking maybe they could work something out.

Philly wanted two lottery picks for Barkley and the Clips had them.

But they were only willing to part with the #6 pick in 1988 (and one in another year) - they really wanted Manning,

They danced around but neither moved, so, the trade did not get done.

But, because they were talking and learned what each party needed, on draft day, the Clips called Philly as the third pick approached and worked out a deal where the Clips gave Philly a future first in order to move from #6 to #3. So, the Clips wound up drafting Hersey Hawkins and sending him to Philly for Charles Smith (who they selected third).

It wasn't what they started out to do, but because they had numerous conversations, they were able to agree on a different deal - because it never hurts to keep everyone informed.

The second example (from the 1988 draft) involves "communicating for nefarious reasons"

Background:

Back in the 80's, there was a predraft "tournament" for seniors entering the draft.

Each year, two NBA coaches were selected to coach the two teams of seniors.

In the early summer of 1988, those two coaches were Don Nelson and Cotton Fitzsimmons (who knew each other quite well - Nelson actually WAS the GM and Cotton might as well have been and held that position in the 90's - it was HE who arranged the eventual Barkley trade not to the Clippers, but to the Suns ).

They had a "bird's eye view" of these seniors and both were impressed with a guy who was not so highly regarded: Mitch Richmond

So, the draft went Manning, Rick Smits, Charles Smith and then came New Jersey, the Warriors, LAC (who would be drafting Hersey Hawkins for Philly) and then Phoenix (where Cotton was coaching).

Nelson knew he wanted Mitch, so, first he called New Jersey on some pretext and found out that they were going to draft Chris Morris. but not with great enthusiasm. From the discussion, Nelson deduced that if Fitzsimmons called seeking to move up to #4, the Nets would listen.

So, then he calls Cotton to tell him ostensibly that Barkley is on the block. During the conversation, he let's "slip" that he had spoken to the Nets and that New Jersey is super high to take Morris and "fibs" that he is looking seriously at Rony Seikaly at #5.

So Cotton does not call New Jersey to try to trade up and get above Nelson, because Nelson has made him believe that he will be able to get Richmond at #7.

Then, when Nelson takes him, he tells Fitzsimmons that at the last minute, he soured on Seikaly.

Fitzsimmons winds up with Majerle at #7, but without making those calls, Phoenix likely moves up, drafts Mitch and he never becomes a King.
 
My opinion is that Perry will only be a "good" GM if he lucks out in the draft (if that happens, I just don't want him to mess things up). Otherwise, I think he's at best middling / non-difference maker GM.
His claim to fame is he basically set the table for what NY is doing right now. Cleared out all the garbage and had the pieces put together for the next guy to make a ECF team. It's possible if given the opportunity he'd have been there when it happened. But really the one piece of the puzzle we won't have is a big time FA like Brunson ditching his team to join Sacramento because it was his lifelong dream to play for the Kings.

Pinch me if that ever happens.
 
They are talking on 1140 about how seriously sour Zach's attitude was last night. He obviously wants out. I didn't see Monk look very happy either. Didn't look happy walking off the floor during the game and not meeting Doug's eye. That can sink the ship right there, especially with Christie being as weak as he is. Very BAD CULTURE (This one's for you, Perry). All in all, Perry gets a D- so far in my book. He gets the team a little longer, but delay and dithering is what this team has done for years now and my toleration for it is nil.
"Bad Culture" starts and ends at the ownership level. If you're gonna the current state of this franchise on "Bad Culture", then you're, in effect, putting all of the blame on Vivek. I'm not going to argue against you if this is the case, as I've made it perfectly clear that I do believe that our recent decisions as a franchise have all been influenced by Vivek, and Scott may not have had as much say in them as some of you may have been led to believe.

Vivek is the ultimate failure in my eyes.
Scott is just an unfortunate byproduct of Vivek's incompetence, and eventual failures because of it.

Just an all-around mucky situation to be in.
 
His claim to fame is he basically set the table for what NY is doing right now. Cleared out all the garbage and had the pieces put together for the next guy to make a ECF team. It's possible if given the opportunity he'd have been there when it happened. But really the one piece of the puzzle we won't have is a big time FA like Brunson ditching his team to join Sacramento because it was his lifelong dream to play for the Kings.

Pinch me if that ever happens.
you said:

"It's possible if given the opportunity he'd have been there when it happened."



my understanding is that his contract was not renewed in nyc - is there anything about that you can share?
 
Aside from wanting fair value for Domas it really seems he was trying to clear players off the roster, I am not happy about what didn't get done but if nobody wants Monk, DeMar (or Zach lol) that isn't a reflection on Perry. If we had traded Domas without a FRP in return that would have been unacceptable as well. I do wish we would have taken Poetl on for more picks but at the same time that screams making a trade just to make a trade, doesn't it?

We really need to come to terms with thinking Monk and DeMar were fair market contracts and not classic Kings overpays. Jeez, we even got off Dennis fairly lightly compared to what all this baggage Monte brought over apparently is going to cost us to get out of.
The Poetl contract could well be the worst contract in the NBA. Toronto only made discussions because they thought the Kings might be dumb enough to take it. The fact Perry held firm is not a negative in my mind.

The base contract jumps to 27.3 and runs through 29-30. It also has a number of incentives.

Key Incentives in the 2027-2030 Extension:
  • Minutes Incentive: Base compensation increases by $5,000,000 for each season he plays at least 1,400 minutes, starting with the 2026-27 season.
  • Playoff Incentive: Base compensation increases by $2,433,333 for each season he plays at least 1,400 minutes and the team makes the playoffs, starting with the 2026-27 season.
  • Structure: These are likely structured as bonuses related to the 4-year, $104 million total extension value, which included him opting into his 2026-27 player option ($19.5M) and adding three more years.
 
you said:

"It's possible if given the opportunity he'd have been there when it happened."



my understanding is that his contract was not renewed in nyc - is there anything about that you can share?
No, just that he tore down the team to set it up to be put back together. Really the Brunson signing was going to happen one way or another. That is what put all the wheels in motion.
 
The Poetl contract could well be the worst contract in the NBA. Toronto only made discussions because they thought the Kings might be dumb enough to take it. The fact Perry held firm is not a negative in my mind.

The base contract jumps to 27.3 and runs through 29-30. It also has a number of incentives.

Key Incentives in the 2027-2030 Extension:
  • Minutes Incentive: Base compensation increases by $5,000,000 for each season he plays at least 1,400 minutes, starting with the 2026-27 season.
  • Playoff Incentive: Base compensation increases by $2,433,333 for each season he plays at least 1,400 minutes and the team makes the playoffs, starting with the 2026-27 season.
  • Structure: These are likely structured as bonuses related to the 4-year, $104 million total extension value, which included him opting into his 2026-27 player option ($19.5M) and adding three more years.
If we got 3 picks for it I was on board. That was not on the table so yeah.
 
Who cares if Monk is not a starting PG? Similarly, who cares if Domas or Zach effing LaVine want a PG? Why is the front office listening to players who aren't likely in the Kings' long-term plans in the first place?

The Houston Rockets never bothered to acquire a PG after Fred VanVleet went down and they're 4th in the brutally tough Western Conference with a .633 win percentage. If a successful, well-run franchise like that sees no value in adding salary and putting lesser veteran talent in front of its young, developing players, then the Kings are certainly in no position to be doing otherwise.

Again, this is where the Kings constantly err. They decide they "need" a PG, so they go out and add unnecessary salary that they'll ultimately decide to dump later instead of just trusting in their developmental program to determine what they have in the youth already on their roster by ensuring those players see significant time on the court.

Would it have been a mess to trot out a "PG" rotation of Monk/Nique/Carter? Probably. But again... who cares? What did anybody expect the Kings to even be playing for this season?! It seems like the Kings are consistently in the business of tanking the value of their own assets by refusing to commit to the ones that matter in the long-term.
What we don’t know is did Vivek think we were just a point guard away?

If Dennis was the cost to get Vivek to finally agree to tank and do a full rebuild ….. that was well worth it to me.
 
Almost certainly Doug seemed to have input into requesting to have a PG. It was mentioned on twitter. It was mentioned in the exit interviews last season. The issue is the roster Perry inherited.

I'm not suggesting he's good, I said I can't give him a passing grade. But the instant fix was never happening.
It’s not Perry’s fault that Keon and Keegan were the only assets anyone actually wanted.
 
If what James ham said is true, in terms of the Kings having to move their own picks in order to move Lavine or DeMar, i don’t blame Scott Perry for saying hell no. Doesn’t make any sense and fans would just be upset for another reason
Especially since if we just wait a year they become expirings and therefore more valuable at next years trade deadline.
 
What we don’t know is did Vivek think we were just a point guard away?

If Dennis was the cost to get Vivek to finally agree to tank and do a full rebuild ….. that was well worth it to me.

Once again, who cares? This is speculation completely unrooted from any verifiable evidence. As you said, we don't know. This is like saying, "I'm not sure if the bacon-wrapped drumsticks I ate at the Superbowl party this weekend are responsible for the heart attack that convinced me I need to eat healthier, but if they were, then it was well worth it to me." You're trying to reverse engineer your way to an explanation that feels satisfying.
 
What we don’t know is did Vivek think we were just a point guard away?

If Dennis was the cost to get Vivek to finally agree to tank and do a full rebuild ….. that was well worth it to me.
That's my read. Perry came in from the jump and was talking like we were rebuilding, but Schroeder/Westbrook were not really rebuilding moves. They ended up being proof-of-concept that a team with no perimeter defense and no interior defense is not just a PG away simply because it's stacked with scorers at the 2 guard.
 
That's my read. Perry came in from the jump and was talking like we were rebuilding, but Schroeder/Westbrook were not really rebuilding moves. They ended up being proof-of-concept that a team with no perimeter defense and no interior defense is not just a PG away simply because it's stacked with scorers at the 2 guard.
The exit interviews all said "we need PG" so we got PG and it bombed. You can say this is genius or failure, the truth is it is neither but it gets us moving forward even if the timeline isn't fast enough for most.

But everything broken is a direct result of the disastrous double dip of Bulls talent we acquired in 24-25.
 
That's my read. Perry came in from the jump and was talking like we were rebuilding, but Schroeder/Westbrook were not really rebuilding moves. They ended up being proof-of-concept that a team with no perimeter defense and no interior defense is not just a PG away simply because it's stacked with scorers at the 2 guard.

He also got Russ for basically nothing, and say what you will about Schroeder, he's not hard to trade away haha
 
He also got Russ for basically nothing, and say what you will about Schroeder, he's not hard to trade away haha
Dude is gone. I don't get the sense that it was some irreversible mistake. We lost Keon and Schröder for Hunter, who we may get something out of next year. Then all that money is off the books. If Devin is a direct replacement for Keon that's two and a half years for defensive backup guard on a rookie scale contract. Cool cool.
 
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