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[News] Scott Perry is the new GM of Sacramento Kings
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Too soon.
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I am sure there are Scott Perry posters out there somewhere...
Padrino
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I'll grant that it takes time to extricate oneself from a roster as imbalanced as the one Perry inherited, but he's had an off-season and a trade deadline to start the process of rebuilding, and all he's functionally done is added to the mess himself before beginning the actual work of cleaning up the mess by... tidying the corner he made messier in the first place.
I think we had to bring a PG in it is kind of funny we shipped it out and didn't bring one back. And Nique looks good as facilitator. Maybe he should have had faith in the guy he drafted and told everyone could do that job despite everyone scratching their heads?
Of course that would also have meant acknowledging what was happening was happening, even though the whole "gap year" seemed to foreshadow that with about as neon a sign as one could.
Still what now? Buyout for Russ I imagine. Can't believe we couldn't flip him for a second on a vet min deal to a hungry team. I'm puzzled there were no takers for DeMar or Monk even at bargain value. We'll have to buyout or cut DeMar to get under the luxury line now. Unless I am missing anything. Kind of stunned Houston sat out.
Of course that would also have meant acknowledging what was happening was happening, even though the whole "gap year" seemed to foreshadow that with about as neon a sign as one could.
Still what now? Buyout for Russ I imagine. Can't believe we couldn't flip him for a second on a vet min deal to a hungry team. I'm puzzled there were no takers for DeMar or Monk even at bargain value. We'll have to buyout or cut DeMar to get under the luxury line now. Unless I am missing anything. Kind of stunned Houston sat out.
eleventy
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I never thought Scott Perry was a good hire - older than most GM's with little to brag about except getting another meal ticket which could take him to retirement. Just retire now, Scott.
Can someone tell me WHY we DIDN'T want Valunciunis but we DID want Schroder?
Valunciunas is the best backup center in the NBA - if Denver wins the championship, Val will be a major reason why.
And we got NOTHING for him (if Perry somehow shows up as Denver GM, i'll understand).
ok, so, he never should have signed Schroder - and he spent the trade deadline time trying to get rid of him.
I must admit, I did not expect much from Perry - but it's a little like "Musical Chairs" and we wound up stuck with DeRozen, Westbrook and LaVine when a chair was removed in each round.
Can someone tell me WHY we DIDN'T want Valunciunis but we DID want Schroder?
Valunciunas is the best backup center in the NBA - if Denver wins the championship, Val will be a major reason why.
And we got NOTHING for him (if Perry somehow shows up as Denver GM, i'll understand).
ok, so, he never should have signed Schroder - and he spent the trade deadline time trying to get rid of him.
I must admit, I did not expect much from Perry - but it's a little like "Musical Chairs" and we wound up stuck with DeRozen, Westbrook and LaVine when a chair was removed in each round.
AaronPDX
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With the moves a lot of other teams made (Clippers, etc), I think it's just time for us all to accept, Perry sucks at his job.
He's just going to give us some regurgitated Phil Jackson-esque pseudo Zen nonsense as an excuse for why he sucks at his job.
Perry sucks. Vivek sucks. The Kings suck. LOL
He's just going to give us some regurgitated Phil Jackson-esque pseudo Zen nonsense as an excuse for why he sucks at his job.
Perry sucks. Vivek sucks. The Kings suck. LOL
Yes
Joshyjosh31
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Dumars and Perry are friends and have run the two worsts FO’s this summer and deadline disgusting
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Well, as @Padrino stated earlier, let's remember that Perry didn't necessarily inherit the greatest set of assets in the world, so asking him to turn things around in less than a year is/was likely a bit too premature.
I'm not ready to accept the fact that he sucks at this job.
Vivek, on the other hand...(don't even get me started.)
Aside from wanting fair value for Domas it really seems he was trying to clear players off the roster, I am not happy about what didn't get done but if nobody wants Monk, DeMar (or Zach lol) that isn't a reflection on Perry. If we had traded Domas without a FRP in return that would have been unacceptable as well. I do wish we would have taken Poetl on for more picks but at the same time that screams making a trade just to make a trade, doesn't it?
We really need to come to terms with thinking Monk and DeMar were fair market contracts and not classic Kings overpays. Jeez, we even got off Dennis fairly lightly compared to what all this baggage Monte brought over apparently is going to cost us to get out of.
We really need to come to terms with thinking Monk and DeMar were fair market contracts and not classic Kings overpays. Jeez, we even got off Dennis fairly lightly compared to what all this baggage Monte brought over apparently is going to cost us to get out of.
Joshyjosh31
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Asking him not to make us older and bury young talent is asking for the bare minimum
LPKingsFan
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Curious what deals everyone would have preferred that Perry make?
Sabonis for Barrett, Poeltl and apparently one pick at most from Toronto?
Sabonis for an expiring and the Thunder 2026 first from Washington (likely 30)?
Didn’t hear a peep about any DeRozan interest, much less Monk or LaVine. I’d thought maybe the Bucks might pivot, but they’re likely wary of giving up picks until the Giannis situation is resolved, and the Kings are better off just keeping and cutting DeRozan than taking on a Kuzma salary without any sweetener.
Sabonis for Barrett, Poeltl and apparently one pick at most from Toronto?
Sabonis for an expiring and the Thunder 2026 first from Washington (likely 30)?
Didn’t hear a peep about any DeRozan interest, much less Monk or LaVine. I’d thought maybe the Bucks might pivot, but they’re likely wary of giving up picks until the Giannis situation is resolved, and the Kings are better off just keeping and cutting DeRozan than taking on a Kuzma salary without any sweetener.
Bosnian Diehard
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Sabonis for an expiring and 1st would be really good. Get off money (Perry says this is a priority, yet he did the opposite trading for Hunter) and acquire any sort of draft capital.
Hard to say unless we actually know what was being offered. Poeltl offer is a no go. If that is what was actually offered, Poeltl is a negative asset. RJ is fine. But there wasn’t anything else that the teams could come up with?
Look, Perry is the one that piled on to the problem with signing Schroder. Keon added to that deal. Failure on Perry’s part. Could be they were asking for more for these vets than what teams wanted to give.
I'd have been livid at either of those deals for Sabonis and its clear nobody wants anyone else we have except maybe Keegan.
Let's revisit Hunter in a year. I never liked the Schröder deal but if viewed as a whole signing and trade for Hunter that late 2nd round pick never existed, so it's just basically like we traded Keon for half a season of Schröder and 1.5 years of Hunter.
Anger has been percolating since the Fox deal which really screwed us up bad. JV and LaRavia seemed like nice (but totally separate) acquisitions post Fox but moved on. There hasn't been much to smile about, but Maxime, Cardwell and Nique. Who Perry might have had a hand in?
Padrino
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While I was being charitable in that opening clause, I do want to make clear that I don't think Perry is good at his job. I did not rate him highly upon his hire, and he's mostly affirmed my existing position since then. I'd like to be disproven, but I have yet to see anything that suggests a forward-thinking GM willing to leverage modern team-building tools to set the Kings up for long-term success. I did appreciate that he bought into the first round in last year's draft, but every move since then has been more of the middling "going nowhere" stuff that we're used to around these parts.
eleventy
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If I were asking Perry a question at a presser, it would be, "When Milwaukee announced that they would entertain offers for Giannis, and would not trade him unless a team "met their price" (said to be a young player to build around and three firsts), did you explore that avenue with the Bucks and what was their response?"
Because I don't think Perry even called them. Maybe he knew Keegan was NOT "that young player" but he certainly should have asked.
QWERTYLICIOUS
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I was trying to distinguish between being great/good/bad/terrible...
Do I think that Perry is great at his job? No.
Do I think that Perry is good at his job? No.
Do I think that Perry is bad at his job? Yes.
Do I think that Perry sucks at his job? No.
My comments were intended to differentiate between "bad" and "sucks". He is bad at his job, I agree. I don't think he sucks at it, though.
I hope that clarifies things a bit.
Padrino
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Hah. If we're splitting hairs between "bad" and "sucks", then that should probably be telling in and of itself.
At this point, I'm just hoping for a bit of luck. I can't count on the Kings to ever possess a strategy beyond lurching from one mid-level move to the next, so I hope they get the luck they need to back into a blue chip prospect in the upcoming draft. After that, I hope they can turn future draft picks into gold, wherever they may land. That's an awful lot of luck for which to hope, however, and that's usually why bad teams remain bad (or, I suppose, why teams that suck remain teams that suck). Hope is not a strategy. You have to do a certain amount of making your own luck if you're an NBA GM.
I just don't think this franchise will ever have the stomach for a modern approach to team-building. They'll make their draft picks and go home. They won't give themselves more bites at the apple. They may create cap space, but they won't know what to do with it. They won't use it take on bad deals so they can start snagging future firsts from other teams. They won't stockpile future seconds by shipping out their mid-level acquisitions at the deadline. They won't ever take a perceived step back in order to take two steps forward. Instead, they'll just keep converting mid-level assets into more mid-level assets until they've built an entire team of 30-something not-quite-good-enoughs.
As always, I'd challenge Scott Perry to prove me wrong, but I'm not optimistic.
It's hard for me to give him a passing grade this year but I will at least acknowledge our rookies and say I'm glad we haven't taken on long term salary or traded away any FRP.
If we do wind up just drafting our pick, letting Russ and DeMar go, and tertiary moves to fill the roster, the good news would be all the money coming off the cap in 27 should allow us to acquire more draft capital in exchange for shifting more bad salary onto our roster. FA will not be something that is a win for us. We're looking at a 4-5 year rebuild at earliest now. I'm not happy about that at all.
If we do wind up just drafting our pick, letting Russ and DeMar go, and tertiary moves to fill the roster, the good news would be all the money coming off the cap in 27 should allow us to acquire more draft capital in exchange for shifting more bad salary onto our roster. FA will not be something that is a win for us. We're looking at a 4-5 year rebuild at earliest now. I'm not happy about that at all.
Hah. If we're splitting hairs between "bad" and "sucks", then that should probably be telling in and of itself.
At this point, I'm just hoping for a bit of luck. I can't count on the Kings to ever possess a strategy beyond lurching from one mid-level move to the next, so I hope they get the luck they need to back into a blue chip prospect in the upcoming draft. After that, I hope they can turn future draft picks into gold, wherever they may land. That's an awful lot of luck for which to hope, however, and that's usually why bad teams remain bad (or, I suppose, why teams that suck remain teams that suck). Hope is not a strategy. You have to do a certain amount of making your own luck if you're an NBA GM.
I just don't think this franchise will ever have the stomach for a modern approach to team-building. They'll make their draft picks and go home. They won't give themselves more bites at the apple. They may create cap space, but they won't know what to do with it. They won't use it take on bad deals so they can start snagging future firsts from other teams. They won't stockpile future seconds by shipping out their mid-level acquisitions at the deadline. They won't ever take a perceived step back in order to take two steps forward. Instead, they'll just keep converting mid-level assets into more mid-level assets until they've built an entire team of 30-something not-quite-good-enoughs.
As always, I'd challenge Scott Perry to prove me wrong, but I'm not optimistic.
Here's the thing. We heard reports that nobody wanted our guys this off-season. Ok, fine, that's a difficult spot to be.
But Perry effectively doused any little flame those guys had left by bringing in Dennis and Russ and letting them run the team. Instead of showing everyone Monk could be a starting PG this year, THEY LITERALLY DNP-CD this dude for multiple week stretches for no reason. Same thing with Keon; you likely get a FRP if you get this guy on the floor for 25 MPG every single game. Crushed his value. Devin Carter gave us a glimpse last night that he should have been in the rotation getting minutes from day 1. Even if he's not a guy in the long-term plan, SHOWCASE A YEAR 2 LOTTO PICK FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO COME GET HIM.
The only bright-spot is Perry correctly did not deal Domas for peanuts. He's been an utter disaster with team management otherwise. Let's see if we can find the right move of buying out Russ and DDR
Ok but if he called and was told our offer was stupid, does that make it better or worse for you? This is such a silly complaint. Giannis was never on the table for us, call or no call. This is not the question Perry needs to answer.
What we are noticing is teams really do value the expiring contracts. It takes a real GM to actually take advantage of them, but there should be plenty of opportunity for us to shop around LaVine, Hunter, DDR (if we opt him in to shop the deal), to take in money for draft capital. Or facilitate bigger deals.
Again, no faith that Perry can execute anything with those contracts. But they in theory should be valuable assets around the league.
Didn't the back half of last season show Monk is not a starting PG?
That's why I think we had to bring one in. There was apparently pressure to do so from both Domas and Zach's camps. And I also heard some felt it would be unfair to Doug to not have one. I hated that Schröder signing but I don't know who the PG we should have targeted was.
To some extent yes, but it's becoming more valuable just to have cap space in the season to absorb a contract without sending anything back. That is what gets you picks.
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OK, but why should he had wasted his time asking if he already knew what the answer would've been?
Perry had significantly more information than we did about the value of our assets around the league. If nobody is calling... sorry Domas. Sorry Zach. We have to build up what we have here. We can't add to a potentially big problem (as we've seen here) when there's 3 or 4 situations to already have to figure out and sift through.
If Monk can't do it, then you throw Keon or Dev out there. You figure it out. All Perry did was take a problem that was at a 72 and bump it up to a 89. That's not smart GMing
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