Scott Perry is the new GM of Sacramento Kings
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Jdbraver137
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I think Zach could be a good shooter off screens and he doesn’t dominate the ball. I’d rather get rid of derozan and the constant 1 on 1. I also think Doug needs to go back to an assistant role.
SacTownKid
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Signing a few whatever vets is one thing, if the Kings go further in on this? It'll make that look like Disneyland. I think that had a lot to do with Joerger too. Joerger apparently said something along the lines of him not even having a legit NBA player his first day in. Now, Fox was 19 or whatever so that might have been what he was saying, like he's not ready, but still, dude didn't recognize talent.
Folsomkingsfan
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Having no young talent you can confidently build around, no pick this year, and a bunch of vets with lackluster trade value and not getting multiple opinions on what the path forward should be is very on brand for Vivek.
SacTownKid
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The issue was it started the trend of trying to push Fox out of position. The fact that those first 4 years didn't ruin Fox is amazing in and of itself. Joerger did it, then Walton did it for half his time. Is that Perry's fault? Can't say, he wasn't even here and wasn't coaching the team.
LPKingsFan
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I thought bringing those vets in was a sensible response to learning the lesson of 2009-14 or so, when you just let the rookies run the asylum. Now, was part of the problem that they made bad picks from 2011 on? Absolutely. But I’m convinced Evans and Cousins at least would have developed better with some established, credible vets to set the culture, along with stability and accountability. Maybe adding all the vets in 2017 was the pendulum swinging too far in the other direction, and you don’t want to block your rookies from getting playing time, but I think I understand the approach.
SacTownKid
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I get the process thing, but honestly, what's an interview going to do? Vivek has been swayed by interviews before, it means jack. You go out and get a top notch resume'd coach and pay the price, or you get a cheaper upside option. Looks like Doug Christie to me haha. Getting any other name coach that has never coached is only as good as the words someone says and the weight their words hold. Unless a coach can reshape the roster it's all about managing the locker room. No players looked completely less than what they are under DC. Under guys like Walton players looked worse. Role guys rose, stars shrank and so did their value. Get a new coach that doesn't shine up guys and this goes in the tank on all fronts.
Tetsujin
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This is probably an incredibly low hurdle to go over but I trust Doug Christie more than I trust any of the coaches we had during the Vlade regime haha
No big name coach is going to come here with the uncertainty we have. I'd give Doug a 3 year deal with the understanding he coaches to win for the next half a season and if that doesn't pan out he coaches a total reset as a talent development guy and role model before being kicked to a FO job as a thank you for your service.
I was disappointed to lose him so quickly in 2017, I think he was so-so in NYK. I guess I expect more out of a guy in NYK but being honest Dolan is another guy I'd put in the unquestionably worse than Vivek camp.
Tetsujin
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The only difference between Vivek and Dolan is that Dolan is based on New York and Vivek isn’t an unrepentant TV movie bad guy
SacTownKid
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There is a thin line of adding vets and a coach letting them get in the way of that young talent. No question, that's exactly what happened. When you have rookies on rookie contracts, teams CANNOT let those 4 years go to waste. You have get your young pieces up to speed and plan your cap to start building around them while you have that benefit. The players also need that time if not only to develop skills, but develop credit with other GM's should they at some point become a trade asset in a deal. We have seen multiple times over the years how hard it is to start fresh on a build once those players are on rookie max contracts. If a team has stuffed their cap with middling fit players that you really have no evidence of how it will work on the floor it's almost impossible to continue without taking steps back.
fansinceday1
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If things are changing, it should be up to Perry whether Christie stays or not. If Perry doesn’t want Christie then Vivek needs to let Perry do his job.
fansinceday1
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Perry also doesn’t care for Zach. How’s that gonna work with how Vivek feels about him? Who do you think is gonna win that battle?
Dolan's been meddling with the FO since 99? So basically a complete disaster after a fluke finals run until 2023? In the biggest market in the country.
I thought if nothing else the Kings run in 22/23 would merit the league to consider promoting Fox and Domas as future stars and cut us some slack instead they moved to squash us like a bug. Like sure we made some bad calls and Brown didn't integrate the centerpiece of our offseason but we were still getting the wrong end of the whistle after a breakout season and a limited TV schedule despite the fact that while Sacramento is not SF or LA we are a very large TV market in the capital city of a state that would be like the 5th largest economy in the world if it were its own country.
I am fine with Perry doing whatever Perry wants to do.
I think we know Vivek probably isn't.
If we trade Deebo for a PG or PF (or legitimate SF that pairs nicely with Domas and Keegan) of any quality level it would bring a ton of balance back to the roster.
But Domas and Zach have to learn to play together.
...and Monk probably has to come off the bench...
iowamcnabb
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I don’t know if Doug and Scott align and I want to know that they do. Scott, like Vlade appears to be a guy Vivek actually trusts so maybe he listens. I’m also not quite as convinced as you that Doug is a good coach. He could be, but I’m not ready to just hand him the keys. I’m hoping he is given his passion for the city and organization. If Scott and Doug are on the page and share a vision I’m cool with him getting the gig.
This year, probably not. Chicago was able to escape the contract because Fox burned his trade value on purpose and SA didn't have salary filler and didn't want to give anything up for a player they were going to get sooner or later anyway. The Kings had a gun to their head and obviously Vivek prefers reloading to rebuilding - Zach was the available reloading option.
Find another team with a gun to their head, maybe you can offload the contract. But I assume he's here for at least one more year if not both on the deal. Can't imagine he opts out.
So he's ours, and he's actually a decent player, just overpaid, and we need to figure out how to build around him because you know that Vivek doesn't want to bottom out. That's the situation. I don't care if people like it or if they hate it or what, that's what it is.
After listening to Sam Amick's reporting on the situation I have zero hope for this team going forward. The lowlights were:
Vivek was responsible for the DDR signing.
McNair "would have built the roster differently".
Ranadive is hoping to give Zach LaVine an extension.
DeRozan and Sabonis' agents want them out of Sacramento
I don't see ANY way that this team is ever successful with Vivek as the owner. You'd think after all this time he'd learn to stop meddling, but he just doesn't get it and never will.
I'll take a passing interest in what happens this summer, but barring some dramatic changes I'm likely tuned out for the duration of Vivek's ownership.
Vivek was responsible for the DDR signing.
McNair "would have built the roster differently".
Ranadive is hoping to give Zach LaVine an extension.
DeRozan and Sabonis' agents want them out of Sacramento
I don't see ANY way that this team is ever successful with Vivek as the owner. You'd think after all this time he'd learn to stop meddling, but he just doesn't get it and never will.
I'll take a passing interest in what happens this summer, but barring some dramatic changes I'm likely tuned out for the duration of Vivek's ownership.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
maybe he and Vlade are the only two guys on earth that he trusts to do anything given he has hired him twice haha
TaxMan
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Can someone explain the basics of NBA extensions for A player of Zach’s tenure and current salary? Is it doable to reduce annual salary in extension years? Restructure down remaining years to lower salary? I’m not seeing any up side to a Lavine extension but trying to imagine the best case scenario.
players generally want a raise yes, whether LaVine is worthy of one is anyone's guess.
He'd be eligible for the 10 year + contract, which would put him at 35% of the cap. He currently eats 30%.
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