[News] Scott Perry is the new GM of Sacramento Kings

pdxKingsFan said:
Portland and Chauncey Billups - Neil Olshey to Joe Cronin. The latter just extended him.

I think Doug has shown more in his 4 month stint than Billups showed in 4 years.

Why must we fire yet another coach just because we have a new GM. We all know this roster is a disaster needing to be fixed, why not let the GM fix the roster so the coach doesn't have to deal with the stench of that and if Doug proves himself able in the interim all the better. Otherwise you just start the new coach in the hole and we keep the treadmill going. While building up the dysfunctional narrative further.

We gave Brown the courtesy of cleaning up the roster and making Gentry suffer. If all Doug winds up is being fodder for a clean roster and future coach so be it. I think he has shown he deserves better, but if we hire a coach right now willing to sign with this roster it isn't going to end better. Only a chump would do that if they aren't already under contract to the team.
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I’ll tell you why. Because if you base my job performance on winning, I want my guy as a coach.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Portland and Chauncey Billups - Neil Olshey to Joe Cronin. The latter just extended him.

I think Doug has shown more in his 4 month stint than Billups showed in 4 years.

Why must we fire yet another coach just because we have a new GM. We all know this roster is a disaster needing to be fixed, why not let the GM fix the roster so the coach doesn't have to deal with the stench of that and if Doug proves himself able in the interim all the better. Otherwise you just start the new coach in the hole and we keep the treadmill going. While building up the dysfunctional narrative further.

We gave Brown the courtesy of cleaning up the roster and making Gentry suffer. If all Doug winds up is being fodder for a clean roster and future coach so be it. I think he has shown he deserves better, but if we hire a coach right now willing to sign with this roster it isn't going to end better. Only a chump would do that if they aren't already under contract to the team.
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Is an interim head coach for a few months considered "fired" if he doesn't get the full time job? I didn't realize that Portland with their owner and Billups was viewed as any sort of success story
 
What would Doug have needed to do for some of you to consider him a legitimate hire?
 
pdxKingsFan said:
What would Doug have needed to do for some of you to consider him a legitimate hire?
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Does the majority of the league view him as a legitimate hire, or just a legacy player getting special treatment by an incompetent meddling owner? Would any other NBA team interview him for a head coaching job or even a lead assistant spot at this point?
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
Does the majority of the league view him as a legitimate hire, or just a legacy player getting special treatment by an incompetent meddling owner? Would any other NBA team interview him for a head coaching job or even a lead assistant spot at this point?
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Why does this matter more than the apparent support of the players? Why do we not credit him with getting the team to bounce back after their start and all the trades?

You're projecting your personal view of Vivek onto Doug.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Why does this matter more than the apparent support of the players? Why do we not credit him with getting the team to bounce back after their start and all the trades?

You're projecting your personal view of Vivek onto Doug.
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Doug is a good communicator and a great people person. He has knowledge of Adelmans style. But you can’t just be a player coach, you have to tell people like derozan to pass the damn ball. Maybe he is holding back since he is interim. Idk. And again nothing against Doug but if I’m GM I want my guy. Vivek has been terrible at a one voice FO.
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
Does the majority of the league view him as a legitimate hire, or just a legacy player getting special treatment by an incompetent meddling owner? Would any other NBA team interview him for a head coaching job or even a lead assistant spot at this point?
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Who knows, but he took a team heading into turdville into the play in. What was the goal otherwise?
 
Jdbraver137 said:
Where did you get that? Isn’t the coach the one calling plays and insisting on ball movement. If he can’t confront the team on that idk if he is doing his job.
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From Doug Christie. He didn't change anything other than what he chose to do with the lineup. He said that much. He didn't even put Monk on the bench when it was clear that wasn't working.
 
Jdbraver137 said:
Then let’s tank with Christie
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It's going to take some convincing before Vivek agrees and there's a chance Christie will get better results with what they give him but ultimately that's probably what happens. Yes.

It's not even what I want to happen but most of y'all can't wait to start tanking soon enough, so I'm not sure the resistance.
 
Kingster said:
All that is fair, but I don't think it's apples to apples. It's one thing to have an underling learn on the job and after a few years promoted to middle manager. It's quite another thing to take an underling with a year of experience and make him CEO. If Christie were in the league for many years, became a lead assistant and acquired a reputation for his coaching acumen, he might be a good candidate for HC among many other good candidates. As of now, I don't think he qualifies for consideration.

I guess there are always exceptions to the rule. Pat Reilly was the color guy with Chick Hearn and the LA Lakers when Jerry Buss made him HC. He turned out to be pretty good. Of course he did have Jabbar, Magic et al on his team, which helped a bit. IMO, Christie isn't Pat Reilly and the circumstances aren't nearly as happy on the Sacramento Kings.
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Doug has been an assistant coach with the Kings since 2021. It hasn't been only one year that he's been coaching the team.

There's several examples of coaches getting a shot out of nowhere and succeeding their first year (including Kerr and Redick to name a couple of recent, high-profile examples).

I'm not saying he's going to succeed. I'm not saying we should keep him. I think that decision is up to the GM and should be only made by Perry. But I also don't get the constant bashing of him given the circumstances he was working with and his relative success during that time. It is not unreasonable that the new GM would give him a year or two to see what he could do with a training camp and a better-balanced roster. Like others have said, maybe even give himself some time to work on the roster for a year or two with a "placeholder" coach until he feels like it is time to make a longer-term decision one way or another once the roster is whipping into shape.

Edit - also, I assume the GM will interview some of the players and staff about the job DC did here as part of his early evaluation. That will take time. He may also need to bounce ideas around as far as possible replacements. These things can take some time, and more coaching possibilities may open up after the playoffs are complete. Let's not get into a big hurry for immediate answers here.
 
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SacTownKid said:
From Doug Christie. He didn't change anything other than what he chose to do with the lineup. He said that much. He didn't even put Monk on the bench when it was clear that wasn't working.
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Then he should have because the ball stopping was atrocious. Remember Mike Brown wanted to bring Derozan off the bench, that was the supposed tipping point. But Brown got that right.
 
Jdbraver137 said:
Then he should have because the ball stopping was atrocious. Remember Mike Brown wanted to bring Derozan off the bench, that was the supposed tipping point. But Brown got that right.
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Domas and Zach have spoken at length on multiple occasions that they aren't familiar with each's style of play and learning what the other wants/needs. We didn't have a true PG. There wasn't a lot of options for Doug and it seems an entirely new offense needs to be created if those two are to remain the leads of this team. At minimum they just need an offseason together. Monk and Deebo were at times the only ones that really seemed like they even knew what they wanted to do out there and then Monk got hurt.

In general I like Monte but I have no clue how we wound up coming on the other side of the Fox trade with no true PG on the roster and had to reach out for Fultz who is an interesting reclamation project but spent the year outside of the league waiting for a call. Did we have to give up Jordan McLaughlin?
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Domas and Zach have spoken at length on multiple occasions that they aren't familiar with each's style of play and learning what the other wants/needs. We didn't have a true PG. There wasn't a lot of options for Doug and it seems an entirely new offense needs to be created if those two are to remain the leads of this team. At minimum they just need an offseason together. Monk and Deebo were at times the only ones that really seemed like they even knew what they wanted to do out there and then Monk got hurt.

In general I like Monte but I have no clue how we wound up coming on the other side of the Fox trade with no true PG on the roster and had to reach out for Fultz who is an interesting reclamation project but spent the year outside of the league waiting for a call. Did we have to give up Jordan McLaughlin?
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Please stop. Those are excuses. They are nba vets. Not guys who have never played. Look at Jimmy Butler on the warriors. Zach will be so much better with ball movement and should already know how to run off screens. The team can’t allow derozan to be a ball stopper. That’s the coaches job and Christie never addressed it. I’m sure Doug will be a great HC someday, but today is not that day. Unless we want to tank then leave him.
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
Does the majority of the league view him as a legitimate hire, or just a legacy player getting special treatment by an incompetent meddling owner? Would any other NBA team interview him for a head coaching job or even a lead assistant spot at this point?
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SacTownKid said:
Who knows, but he took a team heading into turdville into the play in. What was the goal otherwise?
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I think most of us realize that Doug is not getting interviewed for a head or lead position by any other team at this point, or heading into this past season.

I wasn't against Christie. Have always been a fan,... but more not a fan of bringing in a new GM and doing the same thing that's been going on the whole time.....not allowing him to have the full power and decision making ability that every successful GM has.

The goal was to make the playoffs. They brought in a 45 million dollar player and still fell two games short, after getting off to a 7 game win streak with Christie. What was their record down the stretch after that win streak, not to mention the home record. There's plenty of excuses,... fit, injuries, etc etc. There will be more excuses next season when they likely also miss the playoffs. It always goes back to the one guy at the top, who really makes the decisions, but is completely unqualified to do so.
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
I think most of us realize that Doug is not getting interviewed for a head or lead position by any other team at this point, or heading into this past season.

I wasn't against Christie. Have always been a fan,... but more not a fan of bringing in a new GM and doing the same thing that's been going on the whole time.....not allowing him to have the full power and decision making ability that every successful GM has.

The goal was to make the playoffs. They brought in a 45 million dollar player and still fell two games short, after getting off to a 7 game win streak with Christie. What was their record down the stretch after that win streak, not to mention the home record. There's plenty of excuses,... fit, injuries, etc etc. There will be more excuses next season when they likely also miss the playoffs. It always goes back to the one guy at the top, who really makes the decisions, but is completely unqualified to do so.
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Which makes sense for any other coach that was developed from within otherwise? Joe Mazzulla wasn't some sought after name right? The Kings didn't bring in a 45 million dollar player. They traded a potential 300 million plus player for him. Lets not get this twisted.
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
Be the choice after a comprehensive search by anyone other than Ranadive and Divac.

and despite all this, I'll continue to root for him.
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And, hopefully, that is the process if they want to replace the coach this year. But maybe Perry doesn't. Maybe after talking with the players and staff he decides to keep him as coach for a year or so (at minimum) while he revamps the roster a bit. Maybe his vision and DC's vision are identical. What if they keep him on without a search this year?
 
SacTownKid said:
Which makes sense for any other coach that was developed from within otherwise? Joe Mazzulla wasn't some sought after name right? The Kings didn't bring in a 45 million dollar player. They traded a potential 300 million plus player for him. Lets not get this twisted.
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Point is they traded for ("brought in") an apparently win now player. They didn't trade for a player who might turn into a star later. I don't believe McNair with full power to decide, would have chosen Lavine or Christie.

We'll see how it goes. Odds appear heavily against, but hopefully they surprise some of us that are very doubtful about this kind of "process"
 
pdxKingsFan said:
What would Doug have needed to do for some of you to consider him a legitimate hire?
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I think we're confusing 2 points here.

1. I think Doug is a pretty reasonable HC candidate. He looked overmatched at times last year, but looked great at other things too. Think he did keep that locker room together in a tumultuous time.

2. What I (and I assume pretty much everyone else here) is worried about is who is making the decision to keep Christie. We already know that this Perry move has been in motion for weeks; because he was hired 12 hours after Monte was fired. Already heard reports that Vivek is the one who wanted Christie installed, wanted DDR and obivously wanted LaVine. And when you bring in a new regime, you want the guy in charge to have the full freedom to bring on whatever staff/coach he wants. I don't want to have to question a move if we attribute it to Perry making the call or Vivek. If Vivek is truly back to fully meddling into day-to-day operations, we're toast. Simple as that.
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
Point is they traded for ("brought in") an apparently win now player. They didn't trade for a player who might turn into a star later. I don't believe McNair with full power to decide, would have chosen Lavine or Christie.

We'll see how it goes. Odds appear heavily against, but hopefully they surprise some of us that are very doubtful about this kind of "process"
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True, but give credit if the plan was to do that without hamstringing the future. If Vivek starts creating a 7 year plan on vets, destroy him, but that isn't proven yet. If it is, we as fans are in serious trouble, lol. Christie has nothing to do with that regardless. He on paper is the "for the future" coach because he's the low cost, locker room, potential guy.
 
The_Jamal said:
I think we're confusing 2 points here.

1. I think Doug is a pretty reasonable HC candidate. He looked overmatched at times last year, but looked great at other things too. Think he did keep that locker room together in a tumultuous time.

2. What I (and I assume pretty much everyone else here) is worried about is who is making the decision to keep Christie. We already know that this Perry move has been in motion for weeks; because he was hired 12 hours after Monte was fired. Already heard reports that Vivek is the one who wanted Christie installed, wanted DDR and obivously wanted LaVine. And when you bring in a new regime, you want the guy in charge to have the full freedom to bring on whatever staff/coach he wants. I don't want to have to question a move if we attribute it to Perry making the call or Vivek. If Vivek is truly back to fully meddling into day-to-day operations, we're toast. Simple as that.
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I think it has been acknowledged by media that Vivek preferred to continue to go with Christie and Monte wanted to find another coach and that lead to their decision to part ways (among I'm sure other disagreements).

That alone does not mean Vivek is wrong, if the players want Christie. Just because a new boss comes in doesn't mean you fire the next guy down immediately. Some of the worst managers I have ever had have done exactly that, demanding to put their people in place right away. They never last. Maybe Perry and Vivek at least seeing eye to eye on a few things will lead to Perry having more sway if things go sideways.

We may not like that Fox returned Zach but we also know San Antonio didn't really seem to put forth anything of substance and prioritized getting rid of bad contracts to take him in. You can blame Vivek for that or you can blame Fox. I choose the latter. As for how we got there, that blame gets passed around, Fox, Brown, Monte, Wes, Vivek, nobody is blameless.

But I can't help but feel like by demanding a coach change as proof of who is in control, a lot of folks are actually rooting for chaos while claiming Vivek is the chaos agent.
 
The_Jamal said:
I think we're confusing 2 points here.

1. I think Doug is a pretty reasonable HC candidate. He looked overmatched at times last year, but looked great at other things too. Think he did keep that locker room together in a tumultuous time.

2. What I (and I assume pretty much everyone else here) is worried about is who is making the decision to keep Christie. We already know that this Perry move has been in motion for weeks; because he was hired 12 hours after Monte was fired. Already heard reports that Vivek is the one who wanted Christie installed, wanted DDR and obivously wanted LaVine. And when you bring in a new regime, you want the guy in charge to have the full freedom to bring on whatever staff/coach he wants. I don't want to have to question a move if we attribute it to Perry making the call or Vivek. If Vivek is truly back to fully meddling into day-to-day operations, we're toast. Simple as that.
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That said, the only person that has so far proven to potentially have a head on their shoulders is...? Doug Christie. If the broke clock is right, it's right. And hopefully it's right at the right time in the right sense. Even if potentially not right, the only thing that could really ruin this is any GM that sees this team as 1 or 2 moves away from contention. They could be right in the end, but for what it would take for that to be even close is a gamble totally not worth it.
 
SacTownKid said:
True, but give credit if the plan was to do that without hamstringing the future. If Vivek starts creating a 7 year plan on vets, destroy him, but that isn't proven yet. If it is, we as fans are in serious trouble, lol. Christie has nothing to do with that regardless. He on paper is the "for the future" coach because he's the low cost, locker room, potential guy.
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If we look back 7 years, were we already in serious trouble with him, without fully realizing it yet?
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
If we look back 7 years, were we already in serious trouble with him, without fully realizing it yet?
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It could have been total luck but no. Vlade didn't trade Cuz for total win now. He drafted Fox, and yes, F'd it up with FA signings and coaching hires but the Kings were pretty close to rebuild level. Vlade even kind of made sense with the Barnes move. He saved cap space and traded his own mistakes for a much better player. All we can do now is hope that Vivek learned something? If not, yeah, we as fans are SCREWED, lol.
 
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