Sacbee: Whisenant could be next Kings coach

[6th]

Also wonder how interested Whis would be in the Kings' coaching position of it paid similarly to the WNBA coaching positions.....

Silly, would you coach a team for 82 games over 7-8 months (or so) if you could get the same pay coaching a team for 34 games over about 5 months? Me neither.

 

[Warhawk]

Silly, would you coach a team for 82 games over 7-8 months (or so) if you could get the same pay coaching a team for 34 games over about 5 months? Me neither.

OK, then proportionally the same pay maybe? You get my drift.

 

[Geoff]

I'm not in Sacramento, and all I know of Whisenat is that he coached the WNBA team to victory last year. I was/am an Adelman supporter, I don't think he should have been released, and I think he should have been given one more year to work with this current bunch of players.

That being said, I'm not quite sure why the hostility to JW becoming the next coach. While the NBA and WNBA are two different leagues, a championship is still a championship and he's earned at least a chance. Sure, he doesn't have any NBA experience, but all coaches have to start somewhere, right? I am not supporting the method in which he seems to have gotten the job (based on my readings, I agree with Brick's analysis) but if he's such a loyal Maloof employee and he has at least SOME degree of basketball chops, then I'd say to wait and see what the results will be. Many of us thought that Artest would be the death of this team...maybe JW will be a similar situation.

 

[shaka zulu]

I'm not in Sacramento, and all I know of Whisenat is that he coached the WNBA team to victory last year. I was/am an Adelman supporter, I don't think he should have been released, and I think he should have been given one more year to work with this current bunch of players.

That being said, I'm not quite sure why the hostility to JW becoming the next coach. While the NBA and WNBA are two different leagues, a championship is still a championship and he's earned at least a chance. Sure, he doesn't have any NBA experience, but all coaches have to start somewhere, right? I am not supporting the method in which he seems to have gotten the job (based on my readings, I agree with Brick's analysis) but if he's such a loyal Maloof employee and he has at least SOME degree of basketball chops, then I'd say to wait and see what the results will be. Many of us thought that Artest would be the death of this team...maybe JW will be a similar situation.

Ron artest worked out half because the maloofs won the crap shoot with the gamble and the other half was because of adelman the players Coach he is, with 700 + wins 2 nba finals 3 all star games,coming off his 8th consecutive season in the playoffs, with a coaching staff consisting of hall of fame Coach pete carrill and 2 ex NBA defensive stalwarts in TR dunn and elston turner.

 

[shaka zulu]

I'm not in Sacramento, and all I know of Whisenat is that he coached the WNBA team to victory last year. I was/am an Adelman supporter, I don't think he should have been released, and I think he should have been given one more year to work with this current bunch of players.

That being said, I'm not quite sure why the hostility to JW becoming the next coach. While the NBA and WNBA are two different leagues, a championship is still a championship and he's earned at least a chance. Sure, he doesn't have any NBA experience, but all coaches have to start somewhere, right? I am not supporting the method in which he seems to have gotten the job (based on my readings, I agree with Brick's analysis) but if he's such a loyal Maloof employee and he has at least SOME degree of basketball chops, then I'd say to wait and see what the results will be. Many of us thought that Artest would be the death of this team...maybe JW will be a similar situation.

The Trade was a gamble that paid off because the maloofs were blessed with a coaching staff that had the unique ability to mesh Ron in on the fly with little preperation to make things work. Without this coaching staff this Trade would have not worked out. I don't think you will find too many coaching staffs around the league who could have accomplished that task so easy.

 

[Ryle]

The Trade was a gamble that paid off because the maloofs were blessed with a coaching staff that had the unique ability to mesh Ron in on the fly with little preperation to make things work. Without this coaching staff this Trade would have not worked out. I don't think you will find too many coaching staffs around the league who could have accomplished that task so easy.

Please....

The reason why the trade worked is because Ron is a leader and was able to take the team on his back to the playoffs and would kick peoplein the *** if they didn't play hard...the only coaching that had to be done was to get out of the way.

 

[VF21]

You're unbelievable, Ryle. You got your wish. Rick Adelman is gone. I simply cannot believe the depths of your denial about what he accomplished while he was here.

 

[Ryle]

You're unbelievable, Ryle. You got your wish. Rick Adelman is gone. I simply cannot believe the depths of your denial about what he accomplished while he was here.

Denial??

There is no denying he was succesful here. The players that were assembled by the GM had alot more to do with the wins than coaching(check that roster we had in '02-'03).

By the way, I'm not the one who keeps whining and crying about what a great coach we had and it's a shame his contract was not renewed. I'm over it and I wish the majority of the people on this board would get over it as well....I was simply responding to someone who's opinion I disagree with.....anything wrong with that??

 

[Padrino]

I'm not in Sacramento, and all I know of Whisenat is that he coached the WNBA team to victory last year. I was/am an Adelman supporter, I don't think he should have been released, and I think he should have been given one more year to work with this current bunch of players.

That being said, I'm not quite sure why the hostility to JW becoming the next coach. While the NBA and WNBA are two different leagues, a championship is still a championship and he's earned at least a chance. Sure, he doesn't have any NBA experience, but all coaches have to start somewhere, right? I am not supporting the method in which he seems to have gotten the job (based on my readings, I agree with Brick's analysis) but if he's such a loyal Maloof employee and he has at least SOME degree of basketball chops, then I'd say to wait and see what the results will be. Many of us thought that Artest would be the death of this team...maybe JW will be a similar situation.

yes, all coaches have to start somewhere: the assistant coaching position. (see avery johnson)

as for ron artest, there were only an outspoken few who thought he would bring death to this team. everybody has been holding their breath since minute one of his arrival, but it was primarily the peja-lovers who spoke out against bringing him to sacramento, claiming apocalypse and whatnot.

there is little room to compare hiring whisenant as the next kings head coach and trading peja stojakovic for ron artest, and little reason to believe hiring whisenant will work out great, like the artest trade has. ron still gets a bad rap to some degree, but he has a fantastic NBA resume that shows he is one of the league's most dynamic defenders. whisenant has no qualification to speak of that leads me to believe that he is ready to be handed a head coaching position in the nba. if he wants to enter the nba ranks, so be it. somebody give him a job as a kings assistant coach. but don't blindly hand him a head coaching position that he doesn't deserve. i don't give a **** about his one wnba championship. i wouldn't give a **** if it were an ncaa championship. the guy has never stepped on the floor as an nba player or coach. mario elie has. eric musselman has. pj carlesimo has. don nelson has. stan van gundy has. all of these options are highly preferable. pick one of those. any one of those will do, at this point.

 

[shaka zulu]

Please....

The reason why the trade worked is because Ron is a leader and was able to take the team on his back to the playoffs and would kick peoplein the *** if they didn't play hard...the only coaching that had to be done was to get out of the way.

Please don't delude youself to think that it was because of Ron's leadership. You must suffer from the same delusions of granduer that Ron and the maloofs suffer from. It is apparent that ron the maloofs and everyone else are deluded to believe that coaching and preperation intergrating schemes on the fly, with little or no practice time, meshing egos together,adpating to different personalites,putting together a whole new philosphy is so darn easy.


If you believe that coaching leadership has nothing to do with preparing a Team to play, that a system has nothing to do with complimenting skills of players, then you don't have a clue on how the game of basketball works.


There may be only 1 coach in the NBA that may can do what rick has done through out the years,Especially this past season. You tarde peja a player rick has coached for 8 seasons and then you throw in a Ron artest, a problem player with ton of baggage and you say that coaching flexibilty has nothing to do with the success. Rick had to create a whole new formual on the fly,he created a atmosphere for not just ron but 11 other guys who all had to make adjustments to the trade. Meshing these task together isn't as easy as you and the maloofs think, It takes a Coach with a high basketball IQ and skill to p for this to work.


Coaching flexibilty can't be taught, It is a skill some are just blessed with. Rick has a history of mind control on the worst of them. Rick gave ron the abilty to fullfill his desires, something he would never get to do playing under rick carlisle. He allowed ron to play guard, He gave him the green light to imitate kobe and mcgrady, he gave him the confidence to lead and take charge something that no other coach wasn't going to ever let him perform with the track record that he has.

Next season we will all see the significance of Rick adelman come to light.

 

[shaka zulu]

Denial??

There is no denying he was succesful here. The players that were assembled by the GM had alot more to do with the wins than coaching(check that roster we had in '02-'03).

By the way, I'm not the one who keeps whining and crying about what a great coach we had and it's a shame his contract was not renewed. I'm over it and I wish the majority of the people on this board would get over it as well....I was simply responding to someone who's opinion I disagree with.....anything wrong with that??

Everyone plays their part. Without coaching a GM doesn't become successful,Without a good GM the coach cannnot put the right talent on the floor. Baketball is a team sport and each person watches the next person's back. You win together and you loose together.50/50 with everything

 

[shaka zulu]

Please....

The reason why the trade worked is because Ron is a leader and was able to take the team on his back to the playoffs and would kick peoplein the *** if they didn't play hard...the only coaching that had to be done was to get out of the way.

Ron isn't a leader either

 

[Padrino]

Ron isn't a leader either

ryle and shaka zulu...fact is, you're both wrong.

it was a concerted effort on the parts of rick adelman, ron artest, and the rest of the kings team. it was neither all ron or all rick. ron had to come in and adapt quickly. rick had to get ron to buy into his system, and convince the rest of the team to buy into the new style as well. the rest of the kings had to be willing to defer to ron. while all of these things seem so simple in hindsight, they had to bring it all together on the fly, and everybody deserves a round of applause for a great playoff push at the end of the season. but this is all in the past, as things are about to change a whole helluva lot at once. the kings get to start off another season in search of their "identity." yay!

 

[VF21]

Denial??

There is no denying he was succesful here. The players that were assembled by the GM had alot more to do with the wins than coaching(check that roster we had in '02-'03).

By the way, I'm not the one who keeps whining and crying about what a great coach we had and it's a shame his contract was not renewed. I'm over it and I wish the majority of the people on this board would get over it as well....I was simply responding to someone who's opinion I disagree with.....anything wrong with that??

You're OVER it? What's that mean? You've quit dancing in the streets?

Talk about revisionist history. What is there for you to be over? You hated Adelman, you wanted him gone, and the best day of your life was arguably the day his dismissal was announced so don't act like you're over anything. You're still elated...

The point is Rick Adelman was a major reason Ron Artest immediately felt at home here in Sacramento. Artest said so.

Of course you disagree with anyone who has anything good to say about Adelman. Anyone who couldn't predict that would have to be either BRAND NEW to this forum or simply not paying attention.

We get it. You do not want to give Adelman credit for anything. Why? He did a lot of good. It doesn't have to be absolute. You can still give him credit and keep hating him.

 

[shaka zulu]

ryle and shaka zulu...fact is, you're both wrong.

it was a concerted effort on the parts of rick adelman, ron artest, and the rest of the kings team. it was neither all ron or all rick. ron had to come in and adapt quickly. rick had to get ron to buy into his system, and convince the rest of the team to buy into the new style as well. the rest of the kings had to be willing to defer to ron. while all of these things seem so simple in hindsight, they had to bring it all together on the fly, and everybody deserves a round of applause for a great playoff push at the end of the season. but this is all in the past, as things are about to change a whole helluva lot at once. the kings get to start off another season in search of their "identity." yay!

Good post, But ron still isn't a leader, He must prove that he can stay together mentally 82 games. If things don't go his way will he crack under his own pressure,will he start acting childish. He still wants the ball like kobe and Mcgrady,under a new coach will he be allowed to bring the ball up court like he did with adelman,if he doesn't what will he do.


Just like Rick until he wins the big one,He will be still considered a regular season coach and the criticism will still be the same with rick. It doesn't make either weak or wack,there is a negative and positive,balance plays a big part in looking at these issues correctly.