Nighthawk1
Starter
Should we be interested? I haven't seen much of him since college
Rumors of Jarry Bayless available...
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Dreadnought
Bench
We should just monopolize all the players from Gunnin' for that No. 1 Spot.
In all seriousness, he's still a prospect, but the most I'd trade would be Sergio, and that wouldn't really make sense.
In all seriousness, he's still a prospect, but the most I'd trade would be Sergio, and that wouldn't really make sense.
ivan_fiba
G-League
hahaha that would be awsome and lets trade for Anthony Randolph nd draft kyle singler
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Interesting. I know we expressed interest in the past, but with the Euro connection playing so well right now...
bloom
Starter
You mean Jerryd Bayless?....I already love this thread. lol I think we should seriously try to get him. I love his attitude and the way he approaches the game and I think he would be awesome on our team. I don’t know how we can go after him, unless the Blazers either want Sergio back or they really like Sean May. Maybe Noc attracts them, but who would we offer them and what do you see as a potential realistic trade?
GeraldWallace#3
Bench
Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
He's a lot like Kevin Martin in a 6'2" body IMO...diverse scoring options, but limited all-around game. I really don't see us getting Jarry at all, because of that, and we don't really need another <= 6'5" guy with Sergio, Beno and Reke already there for us. Not the right time to do so.
Nighthawk1
Starter
I think he's a lot like Kevin except for his defense (well not that we've seen what he can really do in the NBA defensively) he's supposed to be a pretty solid defender and shooter. I think Sergio is gone after this season with us or could possibly go in a trade...
ivan_fiba
G-League
Yeah he didn't get camrA time but he was there
Packt
Starter
Where did you hear this?
Everything I've read has Miller as the odd one out, just like Sergio before him. Most of last year there was talk on KF of Bayless being the odd one out, but it was always Sergio. With Roy, you don't need a traditional PG like those two and of course Sergio got shipped out. It was a desperation signing by the Blazers and maybe an asset signing. There has already been rumblings of Miller not fitting in, the coaching staff seeing the lack of chemistry, and of Roy preferring to play with Blake.
Bayless can play with Roy because he's more a combo guard. He can be sixth man in the vein of Bobby Jackson. The question is whether he is willing to accept that kind of role.
Bayless is a not Kevin Martin. He's more explosive, has better handles and can create for himself. Too small to be a full time two guard, and isn't enough of a playmaker to be a full time point.
Everything I've read has Miller as the odd one out, just like Sergio before him. Most of last year there was talk on KF of Bayless being the odd one out, but it was always Sergio. With Roy, you don't need a traditional PG like those two and of course Sergio got shipped out. It was a desperation signing by the Blazers and maybe an asset signing. There has already been rumblings of Miller not fitting in, the coaching staff seeing the lack of chemistry, and of Roy preferring to play with Blake.
Bayless can play with Roy because he's more a combo guard. He can be sixth man in the vein of Bobby Jackson. The question is whether he is willing to accept that kind of role.
Bayless is a not Kevin Martin. He's more explosive, has better handles and can create for himself. Too small to be a full time two guard, and isn't enough of a playmaker to be a full time point.
Sergio would be so pist off competing for spot minutes again from the Blazers. I know we are trying to rebuild like them, but I don't think taking their "rejects" was the answer. (IE. Sergio and Udoka)
But just because I can...
Outgoing: Nocioni
Incoming: Webster and Bayless
Why Kings do this? Get the young stud with lots of potential and become much younger.
Why Kings don't? Doesn't fill needs plus we'd be adding another year of Webster and 2 years from Bayless. Also, we'd had a logjam at the 1 with 4 PGs and the logjam at the 3 is still there.
Why Blazers do this? They get that legitimate hard-nosed SF they've been looking for that'll protect the basket and be the bulldog for a young team.
Why Blazers don't? They'll be sacrificing potential talent at best.
Another one:
Outgoing: KT
Incoming: Bayless, Webster, Cunningham
Why King's do this? Same reason as above.
Why King's don't? Same reason plus the logjam at the 3 becomes seriously overwhelming.
Why Blazer's do this? Salary dump. They do this, they become major players for 2010. They also get out of the inconsisten Webster who's contract still has 4 more years remaining. Also, if they don't go for a FA, they'll still be able stay under the luxury tax without losing many major players.
Why they don't? Kenny Effing Thomas. It's a lot to give just to dump some contracts (that aren't even terrible.) But it'll help relieve in luxury tax pressure plus gives them 17 million in ending contracts.
As you can see from both of these scenarios, the Kings don't get much better. I think we should just stand on the sidelines. We really don't need to load up on young talent that doesn't fill any needs.
But just because I can...
Outgoing: Nocioni
Incoming: Webster and Bayless
Why Kings do this? Get the young stud with lots of potential and become much younger.
Why Kings don't? Doesn't fill needs plus we'd be adding another year of Webster and 2 years from Bayless. Also, we'd had a logjam at the 1 with 4 PGs and the logjam at the 3 is still there.
Why Blazers do this? They get that legitimate hard-nosed SF they've been looking for that'll protect the basket and be the bulldog for a young team.
Why Blazers don't? They'll be sacrificing potential talent at best.
Another one:
Outgoing: KT
Incoming: Bayless, Webster, Cunningham
Why King's do this? Same reason as above.
Why King's don't? Same reason plus the logjam at the 3 becomes seriously overwhelming.
Why Blazer's do this? Salary dump. They do this, they become major players for 2010. They also get out of the inconsisten Webster who's contract still has 4 more years remaining. Also, if they don't go for a FA, they'll still be able stay under the luxury tax without losing many major players.
Why they don't? Kenny Effing Thomas. It's a lot to give just to dump some contracts (that aren't even terrible.) But it'll help relieve in luxury tax pressure plus gives them 17 million in ending contracts.
As you can see from both of these scenarios, the Kings don't get much better. I think we should just stand on the sidelines. We really don't need to load up on young talent that doesn't fill any needs.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
if they give up that many players.. i don't think they have enough to make the playoffs. alot of their guys are injured at the moment. they are talking about possibly have 9 players suit up for the next game. if they trade 3 for 1.. they'll have 7 players available for a game.
Sptsjunkie
Starter
Come on now. Let's trade JT for Bayless. Fire PW and hire Don Nelson. And then we can start Sergio, Bayless, Udrih, Martin and Reke. It would be the ultimate Nellieball team.
Sptsjunkie
Starter
Eh. Lukewarm on this. Last year getting him would have been a no brainer. He does have a lot of upside though. Realistically we would have to do a deal that included us sending them Udrih since sending Sergio back won't happen and we can't carry 4 PGs who all want and probably deserve PT. If the Blazers wanted Udrih because they felt it made them more competitive this season, than by all means, I'd trade the contract for the potential of Bayless. If he developed a jumper, you could either start him with Tyreke or bring him off the bench to backup Reke and Kevin.
bloom
Starter
There’s another trade that could work.
Sac Outgoing: A. Nocioni - $7,500,000 (3 years)
Portland Outgoing: J. Bayless - $2,143,080 (2 years), T. Outlaw – $3,600,000 (1 year), D. Cunningham - $457,588 (2 years)
If we’re going to get a young, good big for Noc then I’d pull away but it really doesn’t seem like that’s going to happen. It also seems that Jerryd doesn’t want to be in Portland anymore (don’t know how reliable that is). Maybe all Portland just wants is a second round draft pick – I highly doubt it.
Sac Outgoing: A. Nocioni - $7,500,000 (3 years)
Portland Outgoing: J. Bayless - $2,143,080 (2 years), T. Outlaw – $3,600,000 (1 year), D. Cunningham - $457,588 (2 years)
If we’re going to get a young, good big for Noc then I’d pull away but it really doesn’t seem like that’s going to happen. It also seems that Jerryd doesn’t want to be in Portland anymore (don’t know how reliable that is). Maybe all Portland just wants is a second round draft pick – I highly doubt it.
Sptsjunkie
Starter
The problem is that the quote you had with this even said they wanted a big man, which makes a lot of sense with PBilla and Howard as their only two real bigs. However, we don't have any to offer them (that I would want to give up) unless they wanted Kenny (who besides being an expiring contract really doesn't offer them much more than Howard) or May (lol).
SacKings7
Starter
If you're counting KT as a "big", then you have to count Aldridge, Cunningham and Pendergraph too.
I've made it known that I'm a big fan of Bayless, but I'm just not convinced that he's available. Sure, he doesn't get many minutes so it's easy to believe, but (as someone else already mentioned) I also heard that Miller is the odd man out, and not Bayless. And we don't need Miller
Nighthawk1
Starter
I got it off Hoopshype and I'm sure he's the most available player on their roster... That being said I don't think Portland really knows what they want out of the pg position on their team lol
bloom
Starter
You’re right the article says they want a big man but they also need a tough nosed guy and Noc is a great option. And even though I don’t like to give the other team that I like a player really don’t care for, I like Jerryd too much to care. Anyway, I guess we’ll have to see if this is just talk or if they’re really considering trading him. I hope Petrie does make a call and try to make it happen.
And are we allowed to trade Sean May right now or do we have to wait a while?
I do agree with SacKings7, Andre Miller is probably on the block more than Jerryd (he’s still young and hasn’t really had that much opportunity). It seems that Miller’s been on the block since the beginning.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Bayless makes no sense for us. We need a full sized SG next to Tyreke not another midget
kingzallday
Starter
No Thanks.
Sptsjunkie
Starter
I was thinking Centers. Again KT would be a stretch, but you are right, Aldridge could slide over too. If the Blazers were and team looking for one last gasp then maybe, but even then not likely. I just don't see it at a price we would want to pay.
Sptsjunkie
Starter
The irony is a trade for Noc might have been more likely is Oden had stayed healthy and closer to the deadline Portland thought they needed a tough nosed SF who could shoot and be everything for them that Outlaw and Webster have failed to be in order for them to have a chance to compete with LA, San Antonio, Phoenix and Dallas. However, with Oden out and the front office probably questioning if they can ever count on having him for a full season, I just don't see them trading young for old like this unless they were acquiring a proven center.
At most, looking at the teams who would likely be interested in Noc, I think we would be lucky to trade him for expirings and a late first round pick (since we would be trading with a contender) or a low level prospect (i.e. JR Giddens from Boston). The only real exception might be the Clippers if they thought they could snag a playoff spot by upgrading over the Thornton/Butler combo at SF. Then we could possibly get expiring contracts and DeAndre Jordan or a lottery protected first rounder that would likely be in the teens.
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