Regional authority will be created to finance NBA arena

[Dr. Spaceman]

What about Elk Grove?

We have the freeway system in place, and the land out here.. 99 and Grant Line has a great brand new onramp, and new roads.. Plenty of parking with the failed mall..

Honestly, Elk Grove has as much appeal as Natomas right now. They both offer the same practicality of cost benefit and easy infrastructure, but the growth potential just doesn't compare to the railyards site. But the development of that area in the past couple of decades has taken on a strictly suburban feel, much like Natomas. I really believe that an urban arena would do wonders for the growth of the Sacramento region.

 

[sk4ever]

Probably was working and doing mayoral things and didn't get the chance to read the paper or twitter I guess. It's not even that long though. Just half a day.

I thought something was fishy when it said John Dukes was heading it, but should have thought more of it. If a JPA comes about, KJ will be the first to say it. He's been very candid and honest with everything regarding this issue.

Yes youre probably right on there, If KJ's out of town, Duke's just wanted some spotlight. When the Cat's away....

 

[Nikefutbolero]

If we are going to get a new arena, it NEEDS to be downtown PERIOD. Not in the damn suburbs. It needs to be downtown so we can have more urban development and less suburbs.

 

[Section 101]

What about Elk Grove?

We have the freeway system in place, and the land out here.. 99 and Grant Line has a great brand new onramp, and new roads.. Plenty of parking with the failed mall..

Sorry, I preferred to drive I80 by del paso heights to elk grove.

 

[sk4ever]

I think the consensus is to agree, but if the feasibility says not.....we'll cross that bridge later

 

[Glenn]

If we are going to get a new arena, it NEEDS to be downtown PERIOD. Not in the damn suburbs. It needs to be downtown so we can have more urban development and less suburbs.

I hate this discussion. I live in the damn suburbs and 75% of the season ticket holders live outside the city limits. The plan was to have the damn suburbs to be part of a regional collection of 6 counties to somehow fund the arena. The political problem is how to make this work. For instance, what's in it for Elk Grove? Who is this guy from Yuba City and why does he think any arena in Sacramento or any aleternative that has ever been discussed will do him any good?

I have stood up for a regional approach just as long as I have criticized the city of Sacramento. I don't have a clue as to how it would work. I think the railyard is perfect and never have said anything different unless in jest.

Instead of a knee jerk reflex to defend Sacramento, what's in it for the damn suburbs? Don't say tourism as there is nothing in Carmichael to see. And Yuba City, I can't imagine what tourists would go that far north unless they got lost.

 

[Arena Skeptic]

I just can't see this. In order for a JPA to work, those who send funds to build, say, a sports and entertainment facility, will expect a return on their investment.

Take a look at El Dorado and Placer Counties. They go all the way to the Nevada border. I feel certain there are Kings fans in South Lake Tahoe, but really, what does an arena in Sac have to do with them? It just looks to me as though Sac would only love them for their money.

Now, PARTS of Placer and El Dorado? That makes some sense. I can see El Dorado Hills and Granite Bay saying, Sure, we benefit! So maybe you get Sac, Elk Grove, West Sac, Davis, Rocklin, Granite Bay, Roseville and other selected towns scattered throughout this area taking part. But Yuba City? Why? For all the rental car revenue they'll generate in Yuba City? And luxury hotel rooms in Linda?

We just look like we're grasping at straws now. We are out of time, so someone says, Hey, I know, let's ask a bunch of people who don't care! Maybe that'll work!

I think this is a screwup. Seriously. Look for another approach.

The real key here is that the Maloofs still haven't given their info to Taylor-ICON. What does that tell you?

 

[Arena Skeptic]

Glenn and I, more-or-less agreeing?

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

 

[Gary]

I just can't see this. In order for a JPA to work, those who send funds to build, say, a sports and entertainment facility, will expect a return on their investment.

Take a look at El Dorado and Placer Counties. They go all the way to the Nevada border. I feel certain there are Kings fans in South Lake Tahoe, but really, what does an arena in Sac have to do with them? It just looks to me as though Sac would only love them for their money.

Now, PARTS of Placer and El Dorado? That makes some sense. I can see El Dorado Hills and Granite Bay saying, Sure, we benefit! So maybe you get Sac, Elk Grove, West Sac, Davis, Rocklin, Granite Bay, Roseville and other selected towns scattered throughout this area taking part. But Yuba City? Why? For all the rental car revenue they'll generate in Yuba City? And luxury hotel rooms in Linda?

We just look like we're grasping at straws now. We are out of time, so someone says, Hey, I know, let's ask a bunch of people who don't care! Maybe that'll work!

I think this is a screwup. Seriously. Look for another approach.

The real key here is that the Maloofs still haven't given their info to Taylor-ICON. What does that tell you?

1. We have a new man in town. If it can get done in the next year it will be.. If not then at least they got us that year and actually tried. I can't see KJ just giving up, and I cannot see all those big money backers that want the team in Sac to leave us high and dry.

2. Who cares about the Maloofs? This is obviously going to be something that doesn't have much, if anything, to do with them. So screw them.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

2. Who cares about the Maloofs? This is obviously going to be something that doesn't have much, if anything, to do with them. So screw them.

I think this is a big key. The NBA seems to be working with us independent of the Maloofs and what they "want." I don't think the NBA is trying to force the Maloofs out, but Sacramento is a top 20 market and I don't think they want the team fleeing if they feel there is a viable market and plan here.

One things I have posted on another board that I haven't here yet is that I think there's a lot of fans who don't really get the concept that in the Kings the Maloofs do not own a business. They own a franchise.

With a business, you get to make all of the decisions about location, naming, assets, etc. With a franchise, you sign a contract which gives you certain rights, but you are largely operating at the discretion of the actual business owner. In many ways, the Maloofs owning the Kings franchise is much like a person owning a Subway franchise.

The franchisee gets to operate it and collect revenue generated by the business (minus franchise fees); however, the business owners dictate the location, menu, etc. If you don't like the decisions the business owners are making you can sell your franchise. However, you don't get to dictate all of the processes and cannot sue the business owner just because you disagree with their decisions unless they are violating the rights they gave you in the franchise contract.

If the NBA decides the Kings franchise is going to be in Sacramento. And the NBA sets certain standards for what the city needs to do to accommodate the Kings and what documents the Maloofs need to give the city. Than the Maloofs have little recourse and will simply have to decide if they want to continue owning a NBA franchise or if they would like to sell and get out. This isn't their own personal business where they call the shots.

 

[vikinginferno]

I think this is a big key. The NBA seems to be working with us independent of the Maloofs and what they "want." I don't think the NBA is trying to force the Maloofs out, but Sacramento is a top 20 market and I don't think they want the team fleeing if they feel there is a viable market and plan here.

One things I have posted on another board that I haven't here yet is that I think there's a lot of fans who don't really get the concept that in the Kings the Maloofs do not own a business. They own a franchise.

With a business, you get to make all of the decisions about location, naming, assets, etc. With a franchise, you sign a contract which gives you certain rights, but you are largely operating at the discretion of the actual business owner. In many ways, the Maloofs owning the Kings franchise is much like a person owning a Subway franchise.

The franchisee gets to operate it and collect revenue generated by the business (minus franchise fees); however, the business owners dictate the location, menu, etc. If you don't like the decisions the business owners are making you can sell your franchise. However, you don't get to dictate all of the processes and cannot sue the business owner just because you disagree with their decisions unless they are violating the rights they gave you in the franchise contract.

If the NBA decides the Kings franchise is going to be in Sacramento. And the NBA sets certain standards for what the city needs to do to accommodate the Kings and what documents the Maloofs need to give the city. Than the Maloofs have little recourse and will simply have to decide if they want to continue owning a NBA franchise or if they would like to sell and get out. This isn't their own personal business where they call the shots.

This is 100% true. I have been thinking about this also and some people here have been saying "Of course the Maloofs can move if they want! It's THEIR business!" when that just isn't completely true.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

This is 100% true. I have been thinking about this also and some people here have been saying "Of course the Maloofs can move if they want! It's THEIR business!" when that just isn't completely true.

People who say that must not be very familiar with how corporations and franchises work. To expand/reiterate on what others have already said, you can't just buy a McDonald's restaurant or a Shell gas station and then move it where you please, or change the logo, or start selling products of your choosing, etc. the way you could with a Mom & Pop outfit that you own outright. When you own a franchise, you're bound by the rules of the parent corporation (the real owner). You really don't own a franchise in the true sense of the word, you're basically leasing it from corporate headquarters with an agreement to run it they we they tell you to.

 

[The Hammer]

OR NOT....:

mayorcabaldon Christopher Cabaldon
there is no 6-county regional authority to build an arena--period. will keep my mouth shut despite a powerful urge to scream.

@CarmichaelDave one man's imagination does not make a regional joint powers authority. incredibly premature & counterproductive.

there is no JPA. "regional leaders" haven't made plans to form one. just one guy making an alexander haig declaration.

CarmichaelDave Carmichael Dave
Spoke w/ @TonyBizjak, who wrote the JPA story. Very frank. Rewriting to reflect @KJ_MayorJohnson's position. Appears JPA may be premature.

And from the re-written article:

"Dukes said he expects to invite officials from Sacramento, El Dorado, Placer, Yolo, Yuba and Sutter counties to the meeting this week.

Dukes, who said he volunteered to head the effort, declined to say what financing plan the joint group might advance."

... and KJ's response:

"Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson's office, however, issued a statement later in the day distancing itself from Dukes efforts, saying, "our current focus is one hundred percent on the NBA's May 2 relocation decision and doing everything we can to keep the Kings in Sacramento. Any discussions beyond that are premature at this point."


Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/04/25/3577826/regional-authority-will-be-created.html#ixzz1KcFEdtjX


Wow. Yuba City John Dukes is an ***. We don't need anybody going rogue here. We don't need any heroes. Here's where KJ's floor general skills come in handy I think. You deal with this type of thing sometimes in sports.

So Dukes is apparently trying to grab the spotlight and commando his way into a some kind of "leadership" role. And KJ just shut him down with one sentence.

Methinks all parties will be checking with KJ before responding to the "invitation" to attend a meeting to form a six county JPA.

Nice try Dukes. This thing already has a leader, it's KJ. He's gotten us to where we are... just relax and let things take their course... and don't **** it up!!!

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

And from the re-written article:

"Dukes said he expects to invite officials from Sacramento, El Dorado, Placer, Yolo, Yuba and Sutter counties to the meeting this week.

Dukes, who said he volunteered to head the effort, declined to say what financing plan the joint group might advance."

... and KJ's response:

"Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson's office, however, issued a statement later in the day distancing itself from Dukes efforts, saying, "our current focus is one hundred percent on the NBA's May 2 relocation decision and doing everything we can to keep the Kings in Sacramento. Any discussions beyond that are premature at this point."


Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/04/25/3577826/regional-authority-will-be-created.html#ixzz1KcFEdtjX


Wow. Yuba City John Dukes is an ***. We don't need anybody going rogue here. We don't need any heroes. Here's where KJ's floor general skills come in handy I think. You deal with this type of thing sometimes in sports.

So Dukes is apparently trying to grab the spotlight and commando his way into a some kind of "leadership" role. And KJ just shut him down with one sentence.

Methinks all parties will be checking with KJ before responding to the "invitation" to attend a meeting to form a six county JPA.

Nice try Dukes. This thing already has a leader, it's KJ. He's gotten us to where we are... just relax and let things take their course... and don't **** it up!!!

I don't have a problem with what dukes did/said. Sure, he may be overstepping his bounds but I'd rather have leaders from the region doing that than sitting back in silent apathy.

 

[The Hammer]

I don't have a problem with what dukes did/said. Sure, he may be overstepping his bounds but I'd rather have leaders from the region doing that than sitting back in silent apathy.

It's not the initiative that is the problem. It's that now we have a cohesive vision and plan and you've got to have everybody on the same page. This type of thing can create a PR problem. Dukes obviously opened his mouth to the media without even talking with KJ. And I can bet that that was deliberate, cause you know KJ would have cautioned against it. KJ is trying to keep the focus (and that means airwave space, and newspaper column space) on the exact next important task, and he's been doing a great job. And he knows what he's doing, and he knows what those tasks need to be.

This was an opportunistic political move by Dukes to try to get his name in the paper during this short window of fervor around keeping the kings. Not helpful.

We don't have to choose between this kind of stunt and silent apathy.

 

[Larry David]

I still believe it will be regional in some sense but there will only be a sac west sac jpa. I think the small fish from yuba was so excited that he couldn't handle his load.


And I'm floored that Jimmy both couldn't see what was clearly happening and misread the story and called him the leader. At this point Jimmy is mr irrelevant

 

[kennadog]

I just can't see this. In order for a JPA to work, those who send funds to build, say, a sports and entertainment facility, will expect a return on their investment.

Take a look at El Dorado and Placer Counties. They go all the way to the Nevada border. I feel certain there are Kings fans in South Lake Tahoe, but really, what does an arena in Sac have to do with them? It just looks to me as though Sac would only love them for their money.

Now, PARTS of Placer and El Dorado? That makes some sense. I can see El Dorado Hills and Granite Bay saying, Sure, we benefit! So maybe you get Sac, Elk Grove, West Sac, Davis, Rocklin, Granite Bay, Roseville and other selected towns scattered throughout this area taking part. But Yuba City? Why? For all the rental car revenue they'll generate in Yuba City? And luxury hotel rooms in Linda?

We just look like we're grasping at straws now. We are out of time, so someone says, Hey, I know, let's ask a bunch of people who don't care! Maybe that'll work!

I think this is a screwup. Seriously. Look for another approach.

The real key here is that the Maloofs still haven't given their info to Taylor-ICON. What does that tell you?

JPA's have been done elsewhere to build arenas and/or stadiums. It is hardly a new concept. I work with a multi-county JPA on affordabele housing. Since the JPA would likely be formed. Its likely to be for the purposes of selling bonds. In that case, the city doesn't loan the money and its the investors who get any return on the funds, because its their money being invested.

The issue becomes one of being able to help repay the bond by passing various taxes and probably a ticket surtax. If other jurisdictions were going to raise "tourist" taxes or somehting else, they likely would prefer to do use that funds in their own jusrisdications. That doesn't make this a bad idea, because no matter how you slice it, the arena is a regional amenity and can help those different jurisdictions in some of the same ways it helps Sacramento.

As to location, downtown, actually becomes more attractive to people outside the county, I would think. AMTRAK, buses and light rail would take you directly to the arena. Something not possible at Natomas.

By the way, I'm not convinced a new area in Natomas would fall under the ban on new construction in Natomas. While its technically new construction, it could easily fit the definition of replacement of an already existing use. In other words, one building for a certain use would be torn down and a new building for the same use would repalce it.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Since when do the Railyards NOT have access to freeways? They'd be just as close as Natomas to I-5 and 80, and CLOSER to 50/Business 80. Not to mention 160, which would pretty much be a straight shot in.

 

[Larry David]

Since when do the Railyards NOT have access to freeways? They'd be just as close as Natomas to I-5 and 80, and CLOSER to 50/Business 80. Not to mention 160, which would pretty much be a straight shot in.

Yeah, its not freeway. Its Kings fans that want to speed down a freeway and into a huge lot next to the arena, and that fighting a little traffic to get off freeway, down a few blocks, and into a lot isn't something that most basketball need to do .

Of course, that extra 15 mintues is what spurs the boom with the arena, and a lot of the same fans that gripe about the railyard location are the same people who kill Sacramento for not getting this done because of the boom that will come with it. That makes sense.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

That "extra 15 minutes" would have been a wash anywhere I ever lived in Sac as the arena would be much closer downtown, and I'd come out way ahead after figuring in today's gas costs. Plus I'd have definitely used RT from at least two of those places and walked from a third. Which is the real advantage to a downtown arena, unless you're banking on hefty parking fees.