Re-build overnight :)

[Dime Dropper]

OK, this is how to re-build over night with young players and picks.

1st trade to Phoenix.

Sactown trade:
Ron Ron
Price


Kings receive:
Kurt Thomas
Atl. 1st round pick

Kings team after trade

Bibby
Martin
Miller
SAR
Thomas

Why they do it? Instant favourites with even more firepower on both offense and defense. Now have 3 defensive stoppers and become probably the deepest team in the NBA.



2nd trade to Houston.

Kings trade:
Mike Bibby
Jason Hart

Kings recieve:
Juwan Howad
Rafer Alston
Luther Head (this is optional as they may not do it with him included)
Hou 1st round pick

Kings after trade:

Alston
Martin
Miller
SAR
Thomas

Picture this: A trio of Bibby, McGrady and Yao, with role players like Battier. Any doubters would have to get up and leave. They would be finals material if they could put it together with that trio.

3rd trade to Toronto:

Sac trade:
Miller
Potapenko

Kings receive:
Rasho Nesterovic
Fred Jones
Kris Humphries
1st round pick

Kings after trade:

Alston
Martin
Nesterovic
SAR
Fred Jones

Why they do it? Fred Jones and Humphries are just warming the bench there so I doubt they'd mind giving them up. They also give up Rasho and a first but get back a top 10 centre with excellent passing ability. Bosh and Miller as a frontcourt would cause a lot of problems in the ease. They could make some serious noise. Potapenko's an expiring, which could be attractive to them.

4th trade to Portland

Kings trade:
Kenny Thomas
Corliss Williamson
Francis Garcia
Quincy Douby
Hou 1st round pick


Kings recieve:
Zach Randolph
Sergio Rodriguez/Ime Udoka

New team:

Alston
Martin
Nesterovic
Randolph
Fred Jones

Why they do it? I hear that they've been trying to shop Randolph, and he's a phenominal talent. Of course, if they aren't shopping him, there's little chance they'd do this unless they like our youngsters and that pick and are hoping to get another big in the deep draft, which is also possible. If they did this, they'd be rebuilt with that young team and there pick (a very high one) and Houstons.

5th trade to Denver

Kings trade:
Fred Jones
Kris humphries
2nd round pick

Kings receive:
Najera
1st round pick

Why they do it? Get another player at SG which they need if they're gonna want to make some noise in POs and a good young talent in Humphries. Our 2nd rounder would likely be only a small downgrade from there pick anyways sice we'd have an early 2nd rounder.


So, after all these trades. tomorrow our team will look like this:

Alston/Sergio(?)
Martin/
Kurt Thomas/Martin
Randolph/SAR/Najera
Howard/SAR/Williams


Only problem is that we'd have no back up SG. Oh well, youth, picks and an overload of young talent comes at a price! We'd have to draft one.

Our picks would include:
Ours (top 7 after the trades)
Atl (top 5)
Denvers (14 - 21)
Torontos (14-21)


Thats rebuilding right there!

 

[91sickness]

first of all, spending all that time doing your homework and making all those trades work. second of all, that is way too complex and trades like that only happen on forums like these and never in real life. but i do like some of those players coming in but im not sure about some of the players going out. I would definintly like to see some of those players in kings uni's but we will just keep dreaming

 

[beb0p]

So, after all these trades. tomorrow our team will look like this:

Alston/Sergio(?)
Martin/
Kurt Thomas/Martin
Randolph/SAR/Najera
Howard/SAR/Williams


Our picks would include:
Ours (top 7 after the trades)
Atl (top 5)
Denvers (14 - 21)
Torontos (14-21)

Pad yourself on the back for a fine effort in coming up with thes trades. But the final team sucks. No franchise player, no center, no shotblocker, and very little athleticsm. And I also think we got a lot worse defensively. Kevin Martin would suffer in that team because no one, besides the backup Sergio, passes the ball. The frontline of Howard, Randolph, and SAR will give up lots of points in the paint. I suppose John Salmons will have to start at SF by default.

Zach Randolph is not a franchise player. That's why the Blazers want to get rid of him. I suppose having Atl's lottery pick is nice. But I'm not sure I'd get rid of so many good players to get it.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Pad yourself on the back for a fine effort in coming up with thes trades.

Thank you.

But the final team sucks. No franchise player, no center, no shotblocker, and very little athleticsm.

That was what I was aiming for. We have K-Mart and Randolph as the 2nd and 3rd options and we have 4 chances (2 good chances) of getting a superstar in the draft. And Martin and Randolph are both very young, so they would all have time to develop together. The other 3 picks can be role players, we could fill our needs through them picks (like athleticism, shotblocking etc., basically all the things you listed.)
I think that if you can get 4 first round picks in this deep draft, with at least two of them lottery picks, and you still have a team with players like Randolph and Martin, and young players like Rodriguez, then you just got some very good deals in the long run.

And I also think we got a lot worse defensively. Kevin Martin would suffer in that team because no one, besides the backup Sergio, passes the ball. The frontline of Howard, Randolph, and SAR will give up lots of points in the paint. I suppose John Salmons will have to start at SF by default.

See above. This would actually help us get a better pick in the short term, which is what we all want since this team isn't going to do any damage if we get to the POs.

Zach Randolph is not a franchise player. That's why the Blazers want to get rid of him. I suppose having Atl's lottery pick is nice. But I'm not sure I'd get rid of so many good players to get it.

I think it's too early to decide whether he can be a legit star. He's made some very big strides the past few years. If he could put up 20 and 10 on a team with Martin and a superstar (from draft) on it then we could be contenders in years to come.

I understand your reasoning, but I hate being stuck in mediocre land. If we're going to win, I really want to win. If we're going to lose, lets do it right and re-build properly. No half way meetings or quick fixes, they just frustrate everybody.
I realise that we gave up basically our whole team in those trades, but to get 4 picks and Zach Randolph while keeping Martin, I'd certainly do it.

Course now, I also realise that all this ain't gonna happen! But no trade proposals on these boards ever do, so I think these trades that I've proposed are interesting to discuss.

 

[ImAKing]

Kings trade:
Kenny Thomas
Corliss Williamson
Francis Garcia
Quincy Douby
Hou 1st round pick


Kings recieve:
Zach Randolph
Sergio Rodriguez/Ime Udoka

absolutely horrible for Portland. take out Sergio and Udoka and its still horrible.

 

[Dime Dropper]

That really depends on whether they're actually trying to shop Randolph. They'd be getting some "good guys" as veterans, two promising youngsters and a first rounder along with there own.
Not completely horrible. But I respect your opinion, at least your giving one.

 

[ImAKing]

That really depends on whether they're actually trying to shop Randolph. They'd be getting some "good guys" as veterans, two promising youngsters and a first rounder along with there own.
Not completely horrible. But I respect your opinion, at least your giving one.

Randolph being being shopped or not, it is still horrible for them. Portland is giving up a young 20/10 guy and none of the players they get back score more than 10 PPG. Kenny is not consider a "good guy" and his contract is horrible. I also think you are underating Sergio alot here. Dont be fool by his season stats. He have many good games this season and hes much more promising than both Garcia and Douby combine. Just to give you an idea Blazers are considering him untouchable.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Randolph being being shopped or not, it is still horrible for them. Portland is giving up a young 20/10 guy and none of the players they get back score more than 10 PPG. Kenny is not consider a "good guy" and his contract is horrible. I also think you are underating Sergio alot here. Dont be fool by his season stats. He have many good games this season and hes much more promising than both Garcia and Douby combine. Just to give you an idea Blazers are considering him untouchable.

You're probably right. I was just throwing them out for discussion. No trades that are posted here ever happen anyway.

But I certainly don't under-estimate Sergio. I was probably the only one that wanted us to draft him but everyone else said he was just another Jason Williams, with no shot and that couldn't play D. I warned people on here they were wrong about him but no one would listen. Dude has serious potential, unbelievable passer. I don't go by his stats. I know what he has the ability to do with extended minutes. However, I didn't know Portland considered him untouchable.

 

[beb0p]

Thank you.



That was what I was aiming for. We have K-Mart and Randolph as the 2nd and 3rd options and we have 4 chances (2 good chances) of getting a superstar in the draft. And Martin and Randolph are both very young, so they would all have time to develop together. The other 3 picks can be role players, we could fill our needs through them picks (like athleticism, shotblocking etc., basically all the things you listed.)
I think that if you can get 4 first round picks in this deep draft, with at least two of them lottery picks, and you still have a team with players like Randolph and Martin, and young players like Rodriguez, then you just got some very good deals in the long run.

I see.

Atlanta currently picks #7 and we pick #10. It's very hard to pick a superstar with the #7 pick. Most likely we get another role player.

Keep in mind, Oden, Brandon Wright, Julian Wright, Spencer Hawkes, Thaddeus Young and Thabeet may not come out this year. Making this a mediocore draft. I think the latest consenus is that Oden and both Wrights are staying.

 

[BMiller52]

I see.

Atlanta currently picks #7 and we pick #10. It's very hard to pick a superstar with the #7 pick. Most likely we get another role player.

Keep in mind, Oden, Brandon Wright, Julian Wright, Spencer Hawkes, Thaddeus Young and Thabeet may not come out this year. Making this a mediocore draft. I think the latest consenus is that Oden and both Wrights are staying.

Wrong. Oden and Brandan will come out.

 

[beb0p]

Wrong. Oden and Brandan will come out.

You're just guessing.

"This is an odd duck," the Eastern scout says of Oden. "He may decide he wants to stay in college. This isn't your normal guy who will just jump at the money."

Oden has said many times he won't leave college until he knows he can dominates the college game night in and night out. And he dreams of winning a national championship. The catch is, he won't accomplish any of that this season.

Brandon Wright has also said the same thing - he wants to work on his game in college. He may declare if Oden stays, but right now it's 50/50 with him. And I'd say 30/70 towards not declaring for Oden.

Julian Wright has said he won't leave until 2008.

Just remember what I told you come draft time.

 

[Troy]

You're just guessing.




Oden has said many times he won't leave college until he knows he can dominates the college game night in and night out. And he dreams of winning a national championship. The catch is, he won't accomplish any of that this season.

Brandon Wright has also said the same thing - he wants to work on his game in college. He may declare if Oden stays, but right now it's 50/50 with him. And I'd say 30/70 towards not declaring for Oden.

Julian Wright has said he won't leave until 2008.

Just remember what I told you come draft time.

And yet there are many on this site and elsewhere looking to tank to get a shot at drafting Oden. If he isn't dominating college, and might not come out this year....can we go back to wanting to win games again?

 

[Big Cuz 15]

LOL, damn thats ALOT of trading... is that all going to happen in one off season?

 

[beb0p]

And yet there are many on this site and elsewhere looking to tank to get a shot at drafting Oden. If he isn't dominating college, and might not come out this year....can we go back to wanting to win games again?

Yeah, part of the reason Oden isn't as dominating as he should be is because he hurt his right wrist and has been playing his entire college season with his left hand (his off hand). His interview with ESPN seems to hint that he won't come out until he can see how much of a force he is when he can play with both hands; which won't happen until next season. The fact that he initially volunteered to redshirt this year to heal his right hand also indicates he isn't in hurry to get to the NBA.

 

[Vlade4GM]

OK, this is how to re-build over night with young players and picks.

1st trade to Phoenix.

Sactown trade:
Ron Ron
Price


Kings receive:
Kurt Thomas
Atl. 1st round pick

Kings team after trade

Bibby
Martin
Miller
SAR
Thomas

Why they do it? Instant favourites with even more firepower on both offense and defense. Now have 3 defensive stoppers and become probably the deepest team in the NBA.



2nd trade to Houston.

Kings trade:
Mike Bibby
Jason Hart

Kings recieve:
Juwan Howad
Rafer Alston
Luther Head (this is optional as they may not do it with him included)
Hou 1st round pick

Kings after trade:

Alston
Martin
Miller
SAR
Thomas

Picture this: A trio of Bibby, McGrady and Yao, with role players like Battier. Any doubters would have to get up and leave. They would be finals material if they could put it together with that trio.

3rd trade to Toronto:

Sac trade:
Miller
Potapenko

Kings receive:
Rasho Nesterovic
Fred Jones
Kris Humphries
1st round pick

Kings after trade:

Alston
Martin
Nesterovic
SAR
Fred Jones

Why they do it? Fred Jones and Humphries are just warming the bench there so I doubt they'd mind giving them up. They also give up Rasho and a first but get back a top 10 centre with excellent passing ability. Bosh and Miller as a frontcourt would cause a lot of problems in the ease. They could make some serious noise. Potapenko's an expiring, which could be attractive to them.

4th trade to Portland

Kings trade:
Kenny Thomas
Corliss Williamson
Francis Garcia
Quincy Douby
Hou 1st round pick


Kings recieve:
Zach Randolph
Sergio Rodriguez/Ime Udoka

New team:

Alston
Martin
Nesterovic
Randolph
Fred Jones

Why they do it? I hear that they've been trying to shop Randolph, and he's a phenominal talent. Of course, if they aren't shopping him, there's little chance they'd do this unless they like our youngsters and that pick and are hoping to get another big in the deep draft, which is also possible. If they did this, they'd be rebuilt with that young team and there pick (a very high one) and Houstons.

5th trade to Denver

Kings trade:
Fred Jones
Kris humphries
2nd round pick

Kings receive:
Najera
1st round pick

Why they do it? Get another player at SG which they need if they're gonna want to make some noise in POs and a good young talent in Humphries. Our 2nd rounder would likely be only a small downgrade from there pick anyways sice we'd have an early 2nd rounder.


So, after all these trades. tomorrow our team will look like this:

Alston/Sergio(?)
Martin/
Kurt Thomas/Martin
Randolph/SAR/Najera
Howard/SAR/Williams


Only problem is that we'd have no back up SG. Oh well, youth, picks and an overload of young talent comes at a price! We'd have to draft one.

Our picks would include:
Ours (top 7 after the trades)
Atl (top 5)
Denvers (14 - 21)
Torontos (14-21)


Thats rebuilding right there!

i hope you're joking.