Race to the Bottom thread

[Capt. Factorial]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023072060986273928

Unbelievable.

Worst commissioner ever, once again.

Abolishing the draft would mean that the Lakers and the Knicks would get every generational rookie and the Kings would be stuck winning 20 games a year while TRYING.

Plus, I can tell him how to end tanking while also keeping the intent of the draft (to improve competitive balance) intact. If I can figure this out, why can't the commissioner of the NBA?

 

[sactowndog]

Wait, who gets to be on this commission?

Up for debate. You could have GM’s from the opposite conference vote where you throw out outliers and then the commissioners merge them.

 

[sactowndog]

Unbelievable.

Worst commissioner ever, once again.

Abolishing the draft would mean that the Lakers and the Knicks would get every generational rookie and the Kings would be stuck winning 20 games a year while TRYING.

Plus, I can tell him how to end tanking while also keeping the intent of the draft (to improve competitive balance) intact. If I can figure this out, why can't the commissioner of the NBA?

Silver needs to be fired. Made stupid changes to the lottery to address tanking and made it worse and now wants to completely ruin the sport.

 

[The_Jamal]

Unbelievable.

Worst commissioner ever, once again.

Abolishing the draft would mean that the Lakers and the Knicks would get every generational rookie and the Kings would be stuck winning 20 games a year while TRYING.

Plus, I can tell him how to end tanking while also keeping the intent of the draft (to improve competitive balance) intact. If I can figure this out, why can't the commissioner of the NBA?

This would significantly be worse than tanking and what we have now. At least the bottom tier franchises like the Kings, Wizards and Pelicans have a chance to draft a transformative talent. They'd never get a look at a Peterson, Boozer, AJ, ever again.

 

[GWD]

Somebody give Silver a hamburger.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023099816457490434

 

[ockingsfan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023072060986273928

Considering that half the owners are tanking, I would think the NBA would have to wait until the summer to make any wholesale changes to the lottery and draft system.

Silver is probably going to need to stick to imposing fines to billionaire owners hoping to "deter" tanking this season.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Considering that half the owners are tanking, I would think the NBA would have to wait until the summer to make any wholesale changes to the lottery and draft system.

Silver is probably going to need to stick to imposing fines to billionaire owners hoping to "deter" tanking this season.

Obviously they can't do anything this year outside of these fines. Still, threatening tactics that will result in a permanent league underclass just to eliminate some kinda annoying things teams do to try to avoid being in an underclass is insane.

 

[eleventy]

Obviously they can't do anything this year outside of these fines. Still, threatening tactics that will result in a permanent league underclass just to eliminate some kinda annoying things teams do to try to avoid being in an underclass is insane.

is adam silver's head expanding?



look out - i think it's gonna blow...

that's why the mic is down by his throat - away from the explosion

what if the ghost of david stern emerges from the top of silver's blown up head?

what advice would he give mr. silver?

(other than, "you'd better get that patched up")

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Unbelievable.

Worst commissioner ever, once again.

Abolishing the draft would mean that the Lakers and the Knicks would get every generational rookie and the Kings would be stuck winning 20 games a year while TRYING.

Plus, I can tell him how to end tanking while also keeping the intent of the draft (to improve competitive balance) intact. If I can figure this out, why can't the commissioner of the NBA?

If you combine this with a true hard cap, let the teams pay player's taxes, and you also figure out how to value endorsement deals into it, that won't happen. but player movement will be off the charts. Not that the new CBA hasn't already pretty much pushed this in the direction where you can only keep one or two guys unless you are a finals contender yearly.

Not saying I support this fix. I think having a true needs based talent assignment is better. It's thoroughly ridiculous that Fox could demand a trade to San Antonio, kill his market value, destroy our team, and somehow they also get a #2 pick at the end of the season while loaded with young talent. But I don't think if guys had to sign where they would actually get playing time and earn contracts from a fixed pool of money that 2-3 teams would wind up with everything, unless they had the ability to spend unlimitedly.

 

[eleventy]

If you combine this with a true hard cap, let the teams pay player's taxes, and you also figure out how to value endorsement deals into it, that won't happen. but player movement will be off the charts. Not that the new CBA hasn't already pretty much pushed this in the direction where you can only keep one or two guys unless you are a finals contender yearly.

Not saying I support this fix. I think having a true needs based talent assignment is better. It's thoroughly ridiculous that Fox could demand a trade to San Antonio, kill his market value, destroy our team, and somehow they also get a #2 pick at the end of the season while loaded with young talent. But I don't think if guys had to sign where they would actually get playing time and earn contracts from a fixed pool of money that 2-3 teams would wind up with everything, unless they had the ability to spend unlimitedly.

i just had an idea (perhaps a bad one, but...)

what if at the end of each season (and before the next one starts), there was a draft not unlike the expansion draft?

each team could protect a finite number of players, but perhaps playoff teams get to protect less players than non-playoff teams

players you draft in the college draft count as "protected" (so, some playoff teams might "pass" in the second round - or trade the pick on the cheap - leaving more talent for lesser teams)

would this even out the talent level?

(i literally JUST had this idea - i'm sure it could be improved by the group)

i mean, the GOAL is "parity", right?

 

[Capt. Factorial]

If you combine this with a true hard cap, let the teams pay player's taxes, and you also figure out how to value endorsement deals into it, that won't happen. but player movement will be off the charts. Not that the new CBA hasn't already pretty much pushed this in the direction where you can only keep one or two guys unless you are a finals contender yearly.

It's true that a case could be made for the viability of small-market teams even with the removal of the draft under the right conditions. But just a salary cap alone seems to be out of reach - as best I understand the players union is so dead set against a hard salary cap that any such proposal is dead in the water. If on top of that you have to find a way for teams to pay players' taxes so California isn't disadvantaged relative to Texas (and Florida?), AND you have to value non-team endorsement deals into it as well (Kawhi, anyone?)...I just feel like asking for these sorts of conditions is kind of like asking for hand-held fusion reactors in a world where we can't even get fission plants built.

Whereas the league doesn't have to consult the players on how it runs the draft. They could in principle just change it up (or eliminate it entirely) and I don't think there's much to stop them. Which is why i thikn it's important to push back against dumb ideas like this that are being floated out of intemperance.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

i just had an idea (perhaps a bad one, but...)

what if at the end of each season (and before the next one starts), there was a draft not unlike the expansion draft?

each team could protect a finite number of players, but perhaps playoff teams get to protect less players than non-playoff teams

players you draft in the college draft count as "protected" (so, some playoff teams might "pass" in the second round - or trade the pick on the cheap - leaving more talent for lesser teams)

would this even out the talent level?

(i literally JUST had this idea - i'm sure it could be improved by the group)

i mean, the GOAL is "parity", right?

I can already hear that screams, the wailing, and the gnashing of teeth from the better teams in the league.

If it was anything like the expansion drafts, smart teams would simply design their rosters to expose marginal players. If it had teeth, nobody would buy in. Not even the teams who are traditionally "down" - even they wouldn't want to start building a roster that could compete only to have it pecked away at every year while they were trying to get to the top. And there wouldn't be any *real* talents in there anyway. You might get your occasional SGA who blossoms late into a superstar but mostly you'd be looking at MLE type guys at best.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

It's true that a case could be made for the viability of small-market teams even with the removal of the draft under the right conditions. But just a salary cap alone seems to be out of reach - as best I understand the players union is so dead set against a hard salary cap that any such proposal is dead in the water. If on top of that you have to find a way for teams to pay players' taxes so California isn't disadvantaged relative to Texas (and Florida?), AND you have to value non-team endorsement deals into it as well (Kawhi, anyone?)...I just feel like asking for these sorts of conditions is kind of like asking for hand-held fusion reactors in a world where we can't even get fission plants built.

Whereas the league doesn't have to consult the players on how it runs the draft. They could in principle just change it up (or eliminate it entirely) and I don't think there's much to stop them. Which is why i thikn it's important to push back against dumb ideas like this that are being floated out of intemperance.

I think that the hard cap is better than the stupid thing we have now, just push it up so it's well above the second apron but only partially guarantee contracts in exchange. I think the tax issue is resolvable. European leagues have figured out how to pay players based on net.

The team endorsement deals will of course be the area big markets would still win in and I have no idea how to regulate although with about 450 active players, I think they can figure out a fair way to do it if they ever went that route.

But its all contingent on equalizing the money or else you get Euro style soccer where there are 4 teams that can win and everyone else plays for side trophies or promotion/relegation which is definitely not something we'll have here.