Race to the Bottom thread

For all the grousing about the tanking teams tanking harder than the Kings, those above them in the standings keep pulling out wins, while the Kings keep losing games even though their strength of schedule has steadily leveled off.
 
Thats some "load management" for Domas, switching it from the back to the knee, as the knee is more plausible to keep him out long term due to that meniscus

Russ out too? That's interesting, wonder how that will affect our team. We can have hope for Devin, but not sure anyone else can really run the team at this point from that spot. could be a further tank wrinkle
 
Pacers beat the Nets with games against Brooklyn, Washington, Washington next. That is a bad Woss. If they win those 3 games they will be tied with Utah and likely giving up their pick to the Clippers who still have two games to go against Indiana and would be happy to sit Leonard and hand them 2 more Woss’s.
 
Warhawk said:
I don't follow college basketball at all, but when everyone keeps saying how there's 5 great players at the top and you can't go wrong with any of them I really start wondering how much is just piling on the hype train .... sounds like people are trying to convince themselves. We've seen this kind of thing too many times to believe that all five (or heck, likely more than 1 or 2) may ever be "great".
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Most draft years have at least one superstar, some have more, some have zero.

Going by projected_vorp > 45 calculation for consistency with previous analysis...

Years without superstar in the draft 15
1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1993, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2010, 2016, 2019, 2021, 2022, 2024

Years with 1 superstars in draft = 12
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1990 Gary Payton
1992 Shaquille O'Neal
1994 Jason Kidd
1995 Kevin Garnett
2001 Pau Gasol
2005 Chris Paul
2007 Kevin Durant
2008 Russell Westbrook
2013 Giannis Antetokounmpo
2015 Karl-Anthony Towns
2020 Tyrese Haliburton
2023 Victor Wembanyama

Years with 2 superstars in draft = 9
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1985 Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone
1997 Tim Duncan, Tracy McGrady
1999 Shawn Marion, Manu Ginóbili
2003 LeBron James, Dwyane Wade
2009 James Harden, Stephen Curry
2012 Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard
2014 Joel Embiid, Nikola Jokić
2017 Jayson Tatum, Donovan Mitchell
2018 Luka Dončić, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander

Years with 3 superstars in draft = 3
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1987 David Robinson, Scottie Pippen, Reggie Miller
1998 Vince Carter, Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce
2011 Kyrie Irving, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler

Years with 4 superstars in draft = 1
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1996 Allen Iverson, Ray Allen, Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash

Years with 5 superstars in draft = 0
 
hrdboild said:
He for sure was the #1 guy that year, not even in doubt. My skepticism was two-fold: (1) Would he stay healthy long enough to put together a superstar caliber career? We have seen a lot more instances than just Oden of enormous humans suffering repeated stress injuries on their lower limbs. (2) Even if he does stay healthy, his most proven skill is shot blocking and that's not usually enough to make you a superstar. He does everything else really well too but he's incredibly thin and every team he faces is going to be trying to find his weaknesses and expose them.

For me those were enough reasons to disqualify him from sure-thing guaranteed superstar status. And yes, the Greg Oden experience weighed into that. To reinforce the point, I loved Chet Holmgren's game in 2022 but also didn't think I could stomach picking him first overall for the same reason. The injury risk does not sit well with me for players of this body type trying to last 15+ years in the NBA.
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Well Wemby is a proven scorer. He scored 25pts in the first quarter tonight. And he’s a better shooter than his starting PG. He’s also 5th in rebounding. So he has elite defense, pretty much unstoppable on offense, and a top rebounder. Sounds like a superstar to me
 
Insomniacal Fan said:
Most draft years have at least one superstar, some have more, some have zero.

Going by projected_vorp > 45 calculation for consistency with previous analysis...

Years without superstar in the draft 15
1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1993, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2010, 2016, 2019, 2021, 2022, 2024

Years with 1 superstars in draft = 12
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1990 Gary Payton
1992 Shaquille O'Neal
1994 Jason Kidd
1995 Kevin Garnett
2001 Pau Gasol
2005 Chris Paul
2007 Kevin Durant
2008 Russell Westbrook
2013 Giannis Antetokounmpo
2015 Karl-Anthony Towns
2020 Tyrese Haliburton
2023 Victor Wembanyama

Years with 2 superstars in draft = 9
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1985 Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone
1997 Tim Duncan, Tracy McGrady
1999 Shawn Marion, Manu Ginóbili
2003 LeBron James, Dwyane Wade
2009 James Harden, Stephen Curry
2012 Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard
2014 Joel Embiid, Nikola Jokić
2017 Jayson Tatum, Donovan Mitchell
2018 Luka Dončić, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander

Years with 3 superstars in draft = 3
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1987 David Robinson, Scottie Pippen, Reggie Miller
1998 Vince Carter, Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce
2011 Kyrie Irving, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler

Years with 4 superstars in draft = 1
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1996 Allen Iverson, Ray Allen, Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash

Years with 5 superstars in draft = 0
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you don't consider Ant Edwards a superstar in 2020?
 
kingsboi said:
you don't consider Ant Edwards a superstar in 2020?
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I'm just applying the statistical test, not using my own judgement. (If I were using my own judgement, I'd probably take Marion out, and put C-Webb in.) For such a simple statistic, I think VORP jibes remarkably well with my own sense of the boundary between very good and great.

The point is not who's great, but how many great players there are, given some inevitably arbitrary definition of great.
 
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