Post game thoughts 12/21

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The “Since it has been awhile, I’m going to lump a bunch of things that may not necessarily pertain to this last game” edition.

Holy dung-on-a-stick Batman! A Douby sighting in the 1st quarter!! (It was good to see him take that charge after heaving a three with seven seconds to go.) Dude needs to get his nerves worked out though…

And then neither he, nor Price nor Hart play significant minutes thereafter. One has to wonder about messages that are being sent.

Kenny Thomas takes a lot of heat on this board. And, frankly, I’d rather him not be on the team. But, if he were 6’11” would he be taking the same heat? Here is a guy that doesn’t seem to need plays called for him but still rebounds and defends and, perhaps most importantly, tries hard seemingly all the time. If his name were Justin Williams would people love him?

Brad Miller has been setting off-the-ball screens and nobody seems to use them. If you were the coaching staff, wouldn’t you encourage people to take advantage of that?

Of course, that may require some sort of offensive “set” to be run.

Speaking of Miller and offensive sets, am I the only one who thinks Miller should be “running the point” on most half-court opportunities?

Speaking of offensive sets – I think it is time to realize, with or without Artest, this is not a team that will stopping opposing teams on many occasions. Time to start working on the offense. For a fighting chance at least…

Speaking of, what is the deal with Artest?

Regardless, it is good to see Martin on the floor.

As an aside, does anyone think Salmons was a bad signing at this point?

Does anyone object to applying the label “Superstar” to Gilbert Arenas? Dude changes games like few others can. Agent Zero is someone you have to gameplan for…

There was a 3-4 minute stretch during the 2nd quarter that encapsulates exactly why Corliss Williamson should not be playing.

Strictly my own opinion, Mussleman uses timeouts in a very panicky way. And I’m tired of it…makes you think of someone who is afraid to lose. Doesn’t add much confidence.

I try not to get caught up or berate people for comparing the Kings’ current team to past teams, but since it was brought up during the broadcast tonight: please stop. This team, and likely any future teams, are not going to ‘feel’ as good as teams that have been around in the past. And, right now, they aren’t going to play as well either. Those teams were an amazing confluence of complementary skills, ideas and personas. And, if those same players were still around, the Kings would be worse than the current group. And there it is…

Cue “World is ending” and/or “hate” threads.
 
1. Decide what you want the team to be

2. Make the moves to make that team

I'd keep the three swingmen Salmons, Martin and Artest(because Ron would be hard to trade) and replace every other position.

I'd feel different if I felt Bibby was just about to turn the corner, but I don't think we'll see normal Mike until after the all-star break, if at all. This is Brad's second season in a row in decline and it's time to unload him.
 
I just realized something...

Eric Musselman is doing his best to make sure we end up with one of the top 5 picks. He hasn't let the guys playing the game in on the plan, however, so they were actually trying to win. There was nothing Musselman could do but send in Douby...

It all makes sense now. I feel so much better...
 
Tonight's rant:
1) what the heck was i thinking (much) earlier in the season when i thought this team had some playoff potential?
2) the killer B's are killing us on defense. i train my eye on Brad and Bibby and these guys just can't keep track of their men or their rotations. Christmas all season long w/ those two generous souls.
3) problem only gets worse when you see how ridiculous their doubling up the ball is on a team that can pour the points on like Washington, Dallas, Phoenix, etc. Too many easy shots. Too much to overcome.
4) Bibby's shooting game is way off and it has nothing to do w/ his pained wrist but rather his wounded ego. Funny how that psychological rub can affect the slight of hand...
5) getting back to Brad - my God, take an aerobic's class. Get that body to move a little bit. create something out of nothing.
6)i am already way sick and tired of this new traveling call. they owe it to the NBA fan to run some instant replays on this call so we can finally decide for ourselves what all this bs is about
7) ongoing issue: speakin of bs will anybody who matters ever get their heads out of their arses and do away w/ the this charade of a defense called takin a fall and drawing the offensive. it's a joke and demeans the game. can we just get back to playing real defense instead of the masquerade. it's been feelin more like wrestling out there - all drama - no substance. Pure chicanery
 
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Kenny Thomas takes a lot of heat on this board. And, frankly, I’d rather him not be on the team. But, if he were 6’11” would he be taking the same heat? Here is a guy that doesn’t seem to need plays called for him but still rebounds and defends and, perhaps most importantly, tries hard seemingly all the time. If his name were Justin Williams would people love him?

Let's see, replaced greatest player in Sacramento Kings history, seriously undersized at his position, spent most of last season chucking bad jumpers from the free throw line, constantly sulking on the bench and/or causing trouble by demanding to start in front of an All-Star. I can't imagine why he would be taking any heat from the fans. I'm not anti-Kenny Thomas though. I think we need some size and athleticism at the PF spot in a big way and Kenny Thomas is giving us neither, but that's not his fault. He is what he is, and at least he plays hard. But seriously, what is with the Justin Williams garbage? If we could sign him for $300,000 or so instead of paying him 7 million plus for the next 4 years and he were 22 years old instead of 29 and 6-9 instead of 6-7 and particularly adept at one skill we are severely lacking and we wouldn't have to drop any rotation players to add him, yeah maybe he'd be a little more popular. No one is claiming that adding Justin Williams makes us a contender. We suck, I think there's been sufficient evidence -- it's about time we did something.
 
on the contrary, Martin doesnt suck big time

Martin is a bit overrated in these here parts.

Dude is great. But, his points come off of chaos and he doesn't do anything to help anyone else. He's bailed out --- a LOT (as are most of the Kings ... we get more phantom calls than any other team).

If you want to talk about one-dimensional - it's KMoney. He can't pass, even directly ... much less on the move. He's the epitome of "does not make anyone else better".

He's a guy that scores off of fast breaks and garbage. He's a dead-eye shooter like Peja, but not much with someone near him.

He's good and will get better. He's one of the few bright spots. I just get a little confused when we start thinking that he should "get more shots" or the "offense should run through him" stuff. He's not that level ... not yet anyhow.

I guess I'm just bitter and complaining. Ignore me, if you haven't already. :mad:
 
I just realized something...

Eric Musselman is doing his best to make sure we end up with one of the top 5 picks. He hasn't let the guys playing the game in on the plan, however, so they were actually trying to win. There was nothing Musselman could do but send in Douby...

It all makes sense now. I feel so much better...
My, my...are you mocking me?
 
I just realized something...

Eric Musselman is doing his best to make sure we end up with one of the top 5 picks. He hasn't let the guys playing the game in on the plan, however, so they were actually trying to win. There was nothing Musselman could do but send in Douby...

It all makes sense now. I feel so much better...

If You only believed that
 
7) ongoing issue: speakin of bs will anybody who matters ever get their heads out of their arses and do away w/ the this charade of a defense called takin a fall and drawing the offensive. it's a joke and demeans the game. can we just get back to playing real defense instead of the masquerade. it's been feelin more like wrestling out there - all drama - no substance.
Do not insult wrestling by comparing it to the play of this team.
 
Martin is a bit overrated in these here parts.

Dude is great. But, his points come off of chaos and he doesn't do anything to help anyone else. He's bailed out --- a LOT (as are most of the Kings ... we get more phantom calls than any other team).
Bailed out? Phantom calls? Do the Kings have the five Jordan/Wade doppelgangers that I've heard about on their team??
 
Martin is a bit overrated in these here parts.

Dude is great. But, his points come off of chaos and he doesn't do anything to help anyone else. He's bailed out --- a LOT (as are most of the Kings ... we get more phantom calls than any other team).

If you want to talk about one-dimensional - it's KMoney. He can't pass, even directly ... much less on the move. He's the epitome of "does not make anyone else better".

He's a guy that scores off of fast breaks and garbage. He's a dead-eye shooter like Peja, but not much with someone near him.

He's good and will get better. He's one of the few bright spots. I just get a little confused when we start thinking that he should "get more shots" or the "offense should run through him" stuff. He's not that level ... not yet anyhow.

I guess I'm just bitter and complaining. Ignore me, if you haven't already. :mad:

Yeah, how dare we try and find something positive to take away from tonight's game.

SHAME ON ALL OF US for thinking Kevin Martin might just have been the one bright spot. He is continuing to grow and improve. He has a long-range jumper; he has a mid-range jumper. He can slash inside and get to the hoop. He can draw fouls. He can and does pass. If his assist numbers aren't very high it's probably because the person he's passed to hasn't made the bucket.

I'm not ready to anoint Kev as an all-star but he is for real and he's getting better. I think he deserves the praise.
 
I don't understand the Martin hate. One-dimensional? Phantom calls? I'm not saying we should have him run the offense, but in the late 3rd, early 4th he was close to taking over for us.
 
Bailed out? Phantom calls? Do the Kings have the five Jordan/Wade doppelgangers that I've heard about on their team??

Oh yes ... the Kings get a LOT of bullcheese calls. I go ballistic when teams get as many BS calls as our boys do.

Bibby, Martin, Artest, Miller get a ton of calls from little to no contact. Worse yet is the self-created contact that Bibby and Martin do. (I never knew throwing your body into people or kicking your feet into people was a foul) Or the flops that Bibby does where he just spazzes and they blow the whistle.

We are 4th or 5th in the league in free throws, yet we're a perimeter oriented team. That's amazing to me.
 
Let's see, replaced greatest player in Sacramento Kings history, seriously undersized at his position, spent most of last season chucking bad jumpers from the free throw line, constantly sulking on the bench and/or causing trouble by demanding to start in front of an All-Star. I can't imagine why he would be taking any heat from the fans. I'm not anti-Kenny Thomas though. I think we need some size and athleticism at the PF spot in a big way and Kenny Thomas is giving us neither, but that's not his fault. He is what he is, and at least he plays hard. But seriously, what is with the Justin Williams garbage? If we could sign him for $300,000 or so instead of paying him 7 million plus for the next 4 years and he were 22 years old instead of 29 and 6-9 instead of 6-7 and particularly adept at one skill we are severely lacking and we wouldn't have to drop any rotation players to add him, yeah maybe he'd be a little more popular. No one is claiming that adding Justin Williams makes us a contender. We suck, I think there's been sufficient evidence -- it's about time we did something.
Look, as much as I really don't want to defend Kenny Thomas, I'm going to...It isn't his fault he's older and makes mucho dollares. Who is going to blame him for signing that contract?

And for Justin Williams, he wouldn't get off the bench on this team. Deal with it...
 
I don't understand the Martin hate. One-dimensional? Phantom calls?

It's not hate. I love his upside. I think he's going to be fantastic.

But, I also see him for what he is right now. He's very much like Peja in that he's a guy that nails open jumpers and he's a lot like Kerry Kittles in that he's so extremely fast he gets all the fastbreak points.

I guess I get frustrated how we, as a community, latch onto something and try to make it something it's not. Then when it doesn't perform to this standard, we tear it apart.

Peja last year is a prime example. The guy had a poor showing for us, but he was also being asked to play a different game. Do things he's not good at. People tore him apart.

Bibby this year. (and I'm a MAJOR culprit) We've told him he's the leader and he's our #1 option, but he's not that player. He's putting up bad shots and now he's got a complex. People are tearing him apart.

I'm just playing the realist ... mixed with anger and frustration.

I'm not saying we should have him run the offense, but in the late 3rd, early 4th he was close to taking over for us.

True. But, he wasn't exactly passing either. It was one pass - go. He never got anyone else involved.

Of course, I was out of my chair screaming! (a few times for him and a few times at him)
 
Oh yes ... the Kings get a LOT of bullcheese calls. I go ballistic when teams get as many BS calls as our boys do.

Bibby, Martin, Artest, Miller get a ton of calls from little to no contact. Worse yet is the self-created contact that Bibby and Martin do. (I never knew throwing your body into people or kicking your feet into people was a foul) Or the flops that Bibby does where he just spazzes and they blow the whistle.

We are 4th or 5th in the league in free throws, yet we're a perimeter oriented team. That's amazing to me.
You know, I was surprised to see the Kings at the top of the FTA category. I guess I could possibly, maybe , in a cold day in hell sort of way, be wrong. I just don't see the 'bullcheese' you are refering to...
 
Look, as much as I really don't want to defend Kenny Thomas, I'm going to...It isn't his fault he's older and makes mucho dollares. Who is going to blame him for signing that contract?

And for Justin Williams, he wouldn't get off the bench on this team. Deal with it...

Dude, you were asking why Kenny Thomas gets so much hate. I told you why I think he does, even though I don't blame him for being undersized or overpayed. What is there to defend?

I mostly just thought the Justin Williams thing was a cheap shot which makes fun of people for holding a position that I think is very defensible -- cheap young guys are a better use of roster space than aging veterans who never play. Deal with it? Oh that's right, cause we're too busy winning games right now to worry about playing rookies with potential.
 
True. But, he wasn't exactly passing either. It was one pass - go. He never got anyone else involved.
Why should the guy who's single-handedly getting us back in the game have to get anyone else involved? The other guys should have been going out of their way to keep him involved... We got back in the game *because* Martin took the game over, and you're acting like we made the run *in spite* of Martin taking all he shots.

For as much as you're ready to blow your stack about Musselman not sticking with the hot hand when Abdur-Rahim has the hot hand, the fact that you would try to turn it into a negative when it's Martin who has the hot hand is exasperating.
 
You know, I was surprised to see the Kings at the top of the FTA category. I guess I could possibly, maybe , in a cold day in hell sort of way, be wrong.

Eh, you're arguing with me.
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Second rule of fight club ... you're wrong. :D
Third rule of fight club ... you're right if you agree with me. :rolleyes:

I just don't see the 'bullcheese' you are refering to...

Watch for it next game.

It's really apparent with Bibby. He'll just flop or do some whole body shake when touched and he'll get a whistle.
 
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