Possible Bibby trade partners?

[ovrush]

So all season I've been hoping GP finds a way to trade Mike. Ive seen lots of trade proposals involving him, but generally they don't make much sense to me. I started looking around on realgm just now trying to find a good new home for Mike and I really had a hard time.

My assumptions:
1. Mike is a vet, if a team is rebuilding/not in the playoff hunt they won't want him.
This eliminated: Minnesota, Memphis, the Clippers, Philadelphia, Milwaukiee, and Seattle from the mix.
2. Mike's expensive and not a backup. Teams with established starting point guards most likely won't want him.
This eliminates: San Antonio, New Orleans, Dallas, Golden State, Phoenix, Utah, Denver, Washington, Detriot, New Jersey, Chicago, Charlotte, and Toronto.
3. We would have to get enders back at a min and preferably a young guy and a draft choice.
This Eliminates: Boston, Orlando, LA Lakers, Houston

What does this leave us with?

New York - Overloaded with bad contracts and average point guards. Isiah might get burned in effigy if he traded anyone young for another aging, expensive vet. No way we'd get lee or Balkman back for Mike and i don't want much else from them.
Conclusion: For what?

Cleveland - Makes sense, we've seen the rumors around, but to make the salaries match we have to take back something and it's going to be underwhelming. There's no way to get equal talent out of dealing with the cavs. The guys we could snag are Gooden and Gibson probly, but Gooden is another underwhelming PF who would get destroyed in the West, and im skeptical about Gibson's talent. Maybe if some picks were thrown in or they ate a bad contract??
Conclusion: we'd be settling on losing Bibby as a salary dump essentially

Atlanta - Probly the most interesting. They have some young talent and their pick is going to phoenix so making a move now would be nice. Also Bibby could make that team interesting in the east. Maybe Bibby for Claxton, Wright, and Marvin Williams who seems to be the odd man out in the Hawks youth parade?
Conclusion: this is my favorite

Portland - A divisional team going strong that may not want to mess with chemistry.... BUT, they have too many young contracts they like plus several draft choices next year... they HAVE to get rid of guys or risk losing them for nothing so there's an opportunity here. Maybe something like Bibby for Rodriguez, McRoberts, Lafrentz, and one of their lower extra picks? Gives them a proven bigtime playoff guy to show the young guys what the playoffs are about.
Conclusion: definitely an option


Am i missing something or is Mike really not all that marketable at the moment?

 

[dude12]

I think some of the teams you eliminated as having established PG's may be interested. Washington if still in it, could want Bibby since Arenas is hurt and you could feasibly play both guys together for long stretches........although there might not be enough balls in the arena for both. Bobcats may want to look at it as they were starting McInnis at PG and Felton at SG for awhile. Bobcats would like to make a run at playoffs. Chicago could absolutely use a guy like Bibby.

 

[ovrush]

I think some of the teams you eliminated as having established PG's may be interested. Washington if still in it, could want Bibby since Arenas is hurt and you could feasibly play both guys together for long stretches........although there might not be enough balls in the arena for both. Bobcats may want to look at it as they were starting McInnis at PG and Felton at SG for awhile. Bobcats would like to make a run at playoffs. Chicago could absolutely use a guy like Bibby.

Yah i had some better reasons i didnt think those would work but i didnt want ot get super long

The Bobcats have some nice pieces and I thought they could work but the more I looked at that team and saw how darned athletic it was, the more I realized Bibby can't run with those kids. On top of that, there are a ton of gunners on that team already. I don't think a shoot first point guard is a guy to add to Richardson and Wallace. MJ is their GM though, so we might be able to snooker them a bit

As for the Bulls I really think the last thing they need is another undersized gunner who can't defend. Heinrich is younger, cheaper, and probly can give that team almost as much as Bibby. Plus to match salaries with Chicago in a trade for Bibby they'd either have to give up more than they realistically would for a guy to split time with Heinrich, or we'd have to take back Wallace which is the last thing we need as a team ( an aging expensive long term contract)

 

['89 Kings Fan]

3. We would have to get enders back at a min and preferably a young guy and a draft choice.
This Eliminates: Boston, Orlando, LA Lakers, Houston

I don't know why this eliminates Orlando since they have Dooling, Garrity and Arroyo all expiring and their own draft pick. Of course it would be funny to see Reddick and Bibby on the same team. They could compare Better Basketball videos.

Also as much as I hate the lakers they have Kwame's big expiring contract and Crittendon who Theus wanted us to draft. Bibby would also be a good fit for the Triangle offense, since all he would need to do is shoot.

Lastly, you forgot Indiana who just suspended Tinsley and are Travis Diener cannot play us every night. They also have Foster and their draft pick they could trade to us. They are also in salary cap hell, so they might as well trade for Bibby.

 

[dude12]

The Bobcats have some nice pieces and I thought they could work but the more I looked at that team and saw how darned athletic it was, the more I realized Bibby can't run with those kids. On top of that, there are a ton of gunners on that team already. I don't think a shoot first point guard is a guy to add to Richardson and Wallace. MJ is their GM though, so we might be able to snooker them a bit

As for the Bulls I really think the last thing they need is another undersized gunner who can't defend. Heinrich is younger, cheaper, and probly can give that team almost as much as Bibby. Plus to match salaries with Chicago in a trade for Bibby they'd either have to give up more than they realistically would for a guy to split time with Heinrich, or we'd have to take back Wallace which is the last thing we need as a team ( an aging expensive long term contract)

If you get the right guys together, it could work....look at GS. They are loaded with guys who jack the ball up. Bibby would make that team better. Another scoring option is what they need to take pressure off of Gordon and.....and...I guess Deng and Nocioni are the next options. He certainly could help them.

 

[ovrush]

I don't know why this eliminates Orlando since they have Dooling, Garrity and Arroyo all expiring and their own draft pick. Of course it would be funny to see Reddick and Bibby on the same team. They could compare Better Basketball videos.

Also as much as I hate the lakers they have Kwame's big expiring contract and Crittendon who Theus wanted us to draft. Bibby would also be a good fit for the Triangle offense, since all he would need to do is shoot.

Lastly, you forgot Indiana who just suspended Tinsley and are Travis Diener cannot play us every night. They also have Foster and their draft pick they could trade to us. They are also in salary cap hell, so they might as well trade for Bibby.

youre right those three make sense too. I still dont buy that he fits in Charlotte.

 

[nbrans]

Portland is an interesting possibility since 1) they have so many young point guards, 2) if they decide they want to try and make a playoff run with a veteran steady hand (which they need) they could definitely be interested in someone like Bibby, and 3) bringing him on wouldn't kill their cap situation if it involved Raef LaFrentz, who has a similar contract.

Bibby for LaFrentz/Rodriguez and a pick/other young player (such as Rudy Fernandez, currently stashed overseas) could be an interesting trade for the Kings, although it doesn't bring any real salary relief and I think Petrie wants cap relief in a Bibby trade.

 

[Vlade4GM]

With Bibby we need to either demand a first or demand they take Thomas with Bibby.

 

[ovrush]

With Bibby we need to either demand a first or demand they take Thomas with Bibby.

The main point of this thread is that it really isnt that easy. There are limited viable trading partners for Mike and the size of his contract means that packaging him with Kenny Thomas makes trading him even more cumbersome. A first is probly something we could land in the right deal though.

 

[Vlade4GM]

The main point of this thread is that it really isnt that easy. There are limited viable trading partners for Mike and the size of his contract means that packaging him with Kenny Thomas makes trading him even more cumbersome. A first is probly something we could land in the right deal though.

Well if we package him with Thomas we're strictly trying to get contracts in return that end after next year at the latest so I don't think it would be extremely difficult. We just have to weight what's more important, cap space after next year or an extra first rounder this year?

 

['89 Kings Fan]

Portland is an interesting possibility since 1) they have so many young point guards, 2) if they decide they want to try and make a playoff run with a veteran steady hand (which they need) they could definitely be interested in someone like Bibby, and 3) bringing him on wouldn't kill their cap situation if it involved Raef LaFrentz, who has a similar contract.

Portland also has 22 Players next season and desperately need to make a 3-1 or 4-1 swap. However since they are winning I think they would be loathe to mess up what they have. The only way we could grab some of that talent would be to take on Darius Miles. But I don't think the Maloofs would want to eat that contract.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

As absolutely crazy as it may sound, boston could use him right now.. rondo is dinger up forcing eddie to play point.. i just dont see how the salaries would match up, but if we could get pruitt id be pumped.

 

[Entity]

Sac/Philly

Sac outgoing
Mike Bibby, Mikki Moore, Justin Williams

Sac Incoming
Andre Miller, Samuel Dalembert

plenty of reasons as to why and why not for both team. I'm just not going to type it all.

 

[VF21]

Sac/Philly

Sac outgoing
Mike Bibby, Mikki Moore, Justin Williams

Sac Incoming
Andre Miller, Samuel Dalembert

plenty of reasons as to why and why not for both team. I'm just not going to type it all.

Why not? Isn't that the standard for trade proposals we've pretty much come to expect and ask of our members?

IMHO simply posting names does nothing to further discussion. But that's just my three cents...

 

[C Diddy]

Sac/Philly

Sac outgoing
Mike Bibby, Mikki Moore, Justin Williams

Sac Incoming
Andre Miller, Samuel Dalembert

plenty of reasons as to why and why not for both team. I'm just not going to type it all.

I'll try.

Dalembert has a giant salary. Miller has a big salary too. Bibby/Miller is basically a wash and Dalembert is a younger, significantly better version of Mikki. This doesn't make either taem noticeably better this year or the next and salary wise its pretty comparable for this season and next, with the notable exception that we'd still have Dalembert's 12mill to pay. So Philly gives up their best young player, gains Justin who can't get off our bench and Mikki (who sucks) and Bibby (same player as Miller, minus defense and rebounding) for some cap relief 1.5 seasons away?

Why would the Kings do it? Just to get Dalembert? I guess if you need to make a move just for the sake of making a move, but it would limit our ability to add free agents after Bibby's contract clears and really doesn't make us a contender now or next year.

This doesn't make sense for either team.

 

[pkballr]

Philly's Starting Lineup:
Bibby
Green
Iggy
Evans
Mikki

Sacramento's Starting Lineup:
Miller
Martin
Artest
Miller
Dalembert


Ouch. To both. I can't seem to see the logic or benefit for either team to do this from a basketball standpoint. First off, it puts Iggy back next to a shoot-first PG, which obviously went well the first time around. Plus, their backcourt would be decimated. It's hard enough to see Mikki start for us, but to watch him in Philly? All those backcourt loaded teams in the East, their rebound number would plummet dramatically. Now, from a push-for-playoffs standpoint, the Kings don't look to bad. Miller is highly underrated and his numbers are proof in the pudding. Put in the right situation and this team can make some noise. But then you look at our backcourt as well, I'd hate to watch us against teams like the Suns. We would become a half-court team, which isn't the direction Theus was going for (at least from watching the young guys play). I still don't see the benefits though for either team.

 

[Smills91]

I don't know why this eliminates Orlando since they have Dooling, Garrity and Arroyo all expiring and their own draft pick. Of course it would be funny to see Reddick and Bibby on the same team. They could compare Better Basketball videos.

Also as much as I hate the lakers they have Kwame's big expiring contract and Crittendon who Theus wanted us to draft. Bibby would also be a good fit for the Triangle offense, since all he would need to do is shoot.

Lastly, you forgot Indiana who just suspended Tinsley and are Travis Diener cannot play us every night. They also have Foster and their draft pick they could trade to us. They are also in salary cap hell, so they might as well trade for Bibby.

I've never heard this before, do you have a link to it? Thanks.