Possible 3 Way Trade (Pistons,Bucks,Kings)

[Capt. Factorial]

2nd. you guys act like this trade is horrible and will put an end to our rebuilding plans.

again. cap space, something we need, we can't be fully rebuild until we have cap and alot of it.

Do you realize that this deal doesn't do anything for us in terms of cap space for next year? We'd be taking on $18.4M in salary for the '10-'11 season in Prince and Gadzuric, and giving out only about $15.5M. Before you take into account our #1 draft pick, we're essentially $3M dollars worse off in cap space. The most we could "save" by giving away the pick would be $3.1M (for the #4 pick, because you said top-three protected) so in the best case scenario salarywise, we break even next offseason and don't see any benefit until the '11-'12 offseason. That's a bit far in the future to worry about cap space.

On top of that, we're giving up 5 players (Nocioni, Casspi, Greene, Brockman, and a #1 pick) for 2 players, one of whom is a career backup and one of whom is solid, but only a minor upgrade from Nocioni, not a push-you-over-the-top player by any means. So on top of actually losing some cap space, we'd have to spend more money just to fill out our roster.

It's not a good idea.

Kings fans aren't going to be very high on trading away Casspi, because he's brought some excitement into town, he's cheap for four years, and there's hope that he'll be the next draft steal that Petrie pulls off in the 20s. They're going to be even less high on trading away a draft pick that is looking to be in the high lottery. It's not terribly surprising that you haven't found any takers on the deal.

 

[Kingsguy881]

This trade idea insults the Kings.

 

[hammystyle]

do you really think denver would never sign off on that? thats like trading melo for 20cent to the dollar.

i honestly get all the arguement against this trade, i get it.

but.

lets say we dont give up the 1st round pick.
(which the more i look think about the more that i'd like to keep it.)

so the trade would be

Omri Casspi
Jon Brockman
Donte Greene
Beno Udrih
Andres Nocioni

for

Tayshaun Prince and Dan Gadzuric

we save $13.5 mill on salaries. have a ****load of cap space by 2011 and rebuild from there, with only our "core players" still under contract(tyreke, kmart, frisco, hawes, thompson and 2010 1st round pick, 2011 1st round pick) that REALLY does not sound to bad at all. i like greene and casspi, but im not in LOVE with them. there will be other SF's in the draft or thru FA's.

I wouldn't mind getting rid of Beno and Noc's contracts, but the fundamental idae of this trade is flawed. Prince is NOT a difference maker. We are still going to be one of the worst teams in the West with him. He's an exceptional role player who shoots and defends, but if you're a decent playoff team he's probly your 4th or 5th best player.

If you think he's better than that, than why aren't the Pistons better than they are? They won 37 games last year surrounding him with Rasheed, McDyess, Stuckey, Hamilton, Iverson and Maxiell. That's not great, but its better than what we'd surround him withfor this year.

only reason why we love casspi and greene so much is because we're kings fans and we watch the games. bet you 90% of the league aren't in love with casspi and greene like you guys are. im not that in love with casspi n greene, they are moveable pieces. only thing that keeps me asleep at night is the fact that we have a SUPERSTAR in the making in our hands with tyreke evans. only kid i LOVE on the kings.

Greene sucks right now. No one loves him, not even Kings fans. Eve

There's a LOT of buzz on Casspi. The two ESPN columnists who follow NBA rookies most closely, Thorpe and Ford have both singled him out as a rookie who has looked great.

BTW - Its only 4 games obviously, but Casspi has played better than Prince so far.

 

[Merdiesel]

1st. you guys swear like casspi is the next superstar
2nd. you guys act like this trade is horrible and will put an end to our rebuilding plans.

again. cap space, something we need, we can't be fully rebuild until we have cap and alot of it.

yu guys really dont think the maloofs will pull a trade like this to attempt to attract fans to come to the games so they wont lose money!? and possibly move this team out of sac?!

plus i honestly dont even think detroit would sign off on giving us taysaun for 2 unproven sf's n noc.

only reason why we love casspi and greene so much is because we're kings fans and we watch the games. bet you 90% of the league aren't in love with casspi and greene like you guys are. im not that in love with casspi n greene, they are moveable pieces. only thing that keeps me asleep at night is the fact that we have a SUPERSTAR in the making in our hands with tyreke evans. only kid i LOVE on the kings.

If you or anyone thinks that this trade would gain excitement in the city of Sacramento or that this would push us closer to the playoffs you're delusional.

Prince is slightly better than Nocioni.
Casspi will be better than Prince.
..and we're throwing in a good shot at John Wall on top of that?

It's a stupid trade, plain and simple.

 

[Section 101]

Not a fan of Princess. He's a role player that flourished in a system. That system has changed in Detroit and so has his play. Offensively, he's really not much better than Garcia and he comes at a lot higher price.

 

[NME]

The package isn't even the issue; there's no reason for us to be going after Prince. That's a finishing move for a team already on the verge of contending. For our purposes, he'd just be a better defending version of Nocioni, which isn't going to make any difference in our future prospects.

 

[hammystyle]

Not a fan of Princess. He's a role player that flourished in a system. That system has changed in Detroit and so has his play. Offensively, he's really not much better than Garcia and he comes at a lot higher price.

Actually he's been one of the most consistent and versatile players in the league for the last five years and would fit in any scheme. Sure he's a role player, but he's a great one. Solid shooter, passer, ball-handler and a great defender. Doesn't try to do too much. Can exploit certain matchups to be a go-to guy.

This trade idea is bad because Prince is the guy you want next to a couple stars in their prime, not around a bunch of young guys finding their way.

But he's a heck of a lot better than Noc and Garcia.

 

[miltonap]

do you really think denver would never sign off on that? thats like trading melo for 20cent to the dollar.

i honestly get all the arguement against this trade, i get it.

but.

lets say we dont give up the 1st round pick.
(which the more i look think about the more that i'd like to keep it.)

so the trade would be

Omri Casspi
Jon Brockman
Donte Greene
Beno Udrih
Andres Nocioni

for

Tayshaun Prince and Dan Gadzuric

we save $13.5 mill on salaries. have a ****load of cap space by 2011 and rebuild from there, with only our "core players" still under contract(tyreke, kmart, frisco, hawes, thompson and 2010 1st round pick, 2011 1st round pick) that REALLY does not sound to bad at all. i like greene and casspi, but im not in LOVE with them. there will be other SF's in the draft or thru FA's.

you're right. that REALLY does not sound too bad at all. It sounds fkin horrible. so we're basically moving back a few years. We're starting our rebuild RIGHT NOW. We drafted who we drafted for a reason. We have most of our pieces. Casspi's a very good player and Brockman gives us rebounding and toughness off the bench, something we need. Tayshaun is not a superstar. Doing this trade to get that money is not smart. i'm sorry. but you need to leave. now.

 

[Nighthawk1]

Oh wow.... is this the realgm trade boards????

 

[VF21]

again... can you not put the word "POSSIBLE" in the title if its just your idea and not really happening. It's misleading.

Actually, you're the one who missing something. Read the description of this sub-forum.

Personnel Moves - Discuss your trade idea, coaching moves, potential draft picks, etc.

The OP was doing the right thing. If it was a trade that was actually going down and it concerns the Kings, it would be in the Kings Rap forum.

 

[fxhsurjono]

dumars denies trade rumors
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/62557/20091104/dumars_again_denies_prince_trade_rumors/

*gasp* has real gm been reading our posts?

 

[KingsFan54]

again... can you not put the word "POSSIBLE" in the title if its just your idea and not really happening. It's misleading.


now to your trade idea...

So your saying we give up:

Omri Casspi
Jon Brockman
Donte Greene
Beno Udrih
Andres Nocioni
2010 Kings 1st Lottery Pick
2010 Bucks 2nd Round Pick

all of that for Tayshaun Prince and Dan mf'in Gadzuric?!

Thats insane.
NO WAY IN HELL.

I totally agree. this is not a good trade for the kings. You don't trade a first round draft pick before you have a chance to see if he will work on your team. IMHO

 

[zo0mmike]

Are you sure you're not a Pistons fan??

 

[Big Cuz 15]

someone is drinking southern california well water.............

 

[Chupacabra]

again... can you not put the word "POSSIBLE" in the title if its just your idea and not really happening. It's misleading.


now to your trade idea...

So your saying we give up:

Omri Casspi
Jon Brockman
Donte Greene
Beno Udrih
Andres Nocioni
2010 Kings 1st Lottery Pick
2010 Bucks 2nd Round Pick

all of that for Tayshaun Prince and Dan mf'in Gadzuric?!

Thats insane.
NO WAY IN HELL.

I second this. The thread title appears that its talking about a potential trade that is really in the works. Instead all it is is someones idea. Nothing wrong with having ideas and posting them. Its just annoying to see the thread and think to yourself, "wow a trade might happen" only to see that its something someone thought up.

 

[Dreadnought]

I don't really see how having "possible" in the thread title is such a big deal. I for one did not think 'possible' meant 'rumor' or any subtle message that hinted anything else. You guys need to CALM DOWN.