Perfect trade ...Sac/Cle/Wash/Utah

[perezident]

This trade has to be good for all four teams imo. For a four way this is ok

Basically the trade looks like this...Sac(AK) Clev(Bibby) Utah(Hughes Etan) Wash(Drew Gooden)...

Based on previous rumors and previous deals that were already on the table but fell through

Sac trades: Bibby, Kenny Thomas 09 1st rounder (top 20 protected)
recieves: AK, Ira Newbold, Damon Jones

Newlineup
Brad/Mikkie/Hawes
AK/SAR/Justin
Ron/Cisco/Ira*
Kevin/Salmons
Douby/Jones/Shakur

Wash trades: Etan Thomas, Dominic McGuire
recieves: Drew Gooden

Newlineup

Haywood/Blatche/Pecherov
Gooden/Songalia
Jamison/Stevenson/Hall
Caron/Young
Arenas/Daniels

Clev trades: Drew Gooden, Donyell, Ira Newbold, Damon Jones,Larry Hughes
recieves: Bibby, Kenny, Matt Harpring 09 1st rounder top 20 protected (SAC)

Newlineup

BigZ/Jones
Kenny/Varajao
Lebron/Harpring
Plavovic/Gibson/Brown
Bibby/Snow/Wesly

Utah trades: AK, Matt Harpring
recieves Hughes, Etan Thomas, Donyell, Dominic McGuire

Newlineup

Okur/Etan/Fesenko*/Collins*
Booz/Milsap/Donyell
Almond/Brewer/McGurie*
Hughes/Gordon
Deron/Price/Hart

 

[hrdboild]

The more teams you add, the more unlikely it gets that such a trade would ever go down. In terms of pure speculation, sure that could work. But I don't think Washington makes that trade (who would play center? Brendan Haywood has been halfway out the door all summer) and I don't think Cleveland makes that trade (it's questionable whether they get better overall, and they want to win now). Not to mention I think Utah can do better in an AK trade than Larry Hughes and assorted spare parts. Hughes doesn't really fit their style of play either. Nice work figuring out all the details though. I can see where you're going with this (get Utah a SG, send Bibby to Cleveland, get us AK) but none of this sounds very likely to me.

The gold standard I apply to any multi-team trade is whether any team involved would rather just trade for the best player in the deal straight-up than get involved in some deal that sends that player somewhere else. I don't think this deal passes the test. Cleveland would rather have AK than anything they get here. There's no real incentive for Washington to swap Etan Thomas for Drew Gooden, especially if you include Dominic McGuire who looks like he'll be a stud pretty soon. It's going to be really hard to come up with any AK47 trades that pass this test actually (though I think Smills did a decent job of that here)

 

[perezident]

The more teams you add, the more unlikely it gets that such a trade would ever go down. In terms of pure speculation, sure that could work. But I don't think Washington makes that trade (who would play center? Brendan Haywood has been halfway out the door all summer) and I don't think Cleveland makes that trade (it's questionable whether they get better overall, and they want to win now). Not to mention I think Utah can do better in an AK trade than Larry Hughes and assorted spare parts. Hughes doesn't really fit their style of play either. Nice work figuring out all the details though. I can see where you're going with this (get Utah a SG, send Bibby to Cleveland, get us AK) but none of this sounds very likely to me.

The gold standard I apply to any multi-team trade is whether any team involved would rather just trade for the best player in the deal straight-up than get involved in some deal that sends that player somewhere else. I don't think this deal passes the test. Cleveland would rather have AK than anything they get here. There's no real incentive for Washington to swap Etan Thomas for Drew Gooden, especially if you include Dominic McGuire who looks like he'll be a stud pretty soon. It's going to be really hard to come up with any AK47 trades that pass this test actually (though I think Smills did a decent job of that here)

You said a mouth full bro which i appreciate, But i'll just touch on something you said.

about Etan and Drew Gooden

Well Etan too was also halfway out the door aswell. Ever since the fight between he and Haywood both have been on the trading block. Because Oconner basically spelled it out One of them has to go.

Drew>> Etan imo. Their team is by far better with the trade in terms of Post Defense and rebounding. This trade makes that Wash team a little more complete and balanced.

With this trade again. Clevland sneaks out like bandits imo. They get Bibby and rid themsleves of hughes without the expense of losing Gibson.

Kings rid themselves of Kenny who has become a lockerroom cancer. But he would do that of Drew Gooden and more in Clevland. Rebounding Put backs and banging bodies for loose balls etc.

Utah, with this deal they get alot better and deeper. Backup Center is a much improvement Etan>>Collins, Donyell>>>>Aruajo Hughes>>Gordon
Utah no longer has to worry about Gordon holding the Kobe's Tracy's and Redd's of the league anymore. Hughes gets alot steals and would only inhance the offense with his slashing ability. Able to drive and kick out. The ball doesnt have to be in Deron's hands all the time.
And lets not forget here, AK demanded a trade, which means Utah cant even dream about getting fair value for him. Unless they add Milsap to get an allstar caliber player in return, which will never ever happen.

 

[hrdboild]

You make some good points. Cleveland has been trying to acquire Bibby. Utah doesn't need anything Cleveland has to offer and neither do we, so perhaps they see this as their golden opportunity to get something done. Kenny Thomas is roughly equivalent to a shorter Drew Gooden, and the Kings certainly do need to move him ASAP if that's actually possible. I don't know how eager Cleveland is to move Hughes. I still see him as a solid wingman with a lot of desirable skills, even though they way overpaid for him. If they are looking to trade him, that's a better deal for Cleveland than I first read it to be.

I don't agree that Drew Gooden improves Washington's interior defense though. Etan Thomas has been a pretty good defensive role-player in Washington and they need defense in a big way. I don't see how Gooden helps them much, other than his ability to hit that midrange jumpshot. And I think Washington has too high hopes for Dominic McGuire to include him as a throw-in. He was one of the more impressive summer league performers this year.

And Hughes in Utah-- his slashing ability could help them and his defense, but I see him as more of a get up and down guy who's thrived in a fast-paced offense in Washington and not really anywhere else. Utah plays a strict halfcourt offense. That looks problematic to me. They also lose a ton of size swapping out AK at SF and swapping in Hughes at SG. Maybe Donyell, McGuire, and Thomas make up for it. Williams could play off the ball like Bibby sometimes does, but Hughes is better at setting himself up than setting up his teammates from what I've seen.

It's clear though that you've put more thought into this than I initially gave you credit for. We need the actual season to start so we can stop speculating and get back to talking about some actual ball again.

 

[perezident]

It's clear though that you've put more thought into this than I initially gave you credit for. We need the actual season to start so we can stop speculating and get back to talking about some actual ball again.

now that i agree with
I'm growing weary of these trade proposals now..they only keep me busy before i explode with suspense in having the season not started as yet

 

[beb0p]

Sac trades: Bibby, Kenny Thomas 09 1st rounder (top 20 protected)
recieves: AK, Ira Newbold, Damon Jones

Setting aside the fact that a 4-team trade is next to impossible in real life, your proposal could benefit all teams.

But I'll never do this trade. There's no way I'm giving up a 1st round pick. If the Kings is one piece away from a championship, then sure. But we're rebuilding and rebuilding teams just dont trade away picks. That top 20 protected in 09 becomes a lottery protected in 2010, then a top-three protected in 2011, and unprotected in 2012. Meaning if the chips fall right for Cleveland, we could end up losing a very high pick. I wouldn't trade away a late 1st round pick, and certainly wouldn't trade away a potential lottery pick.

 

[dude12]

Utah is not a better team with this trade. Because a player makes a trade demand doesn't mean he's going to get traded.

 

[hrdboild]

This just in...

What if he says he'll forfeit 63 million dollars just to get away from your team?

 

[dude12]

Then I would let him....tell him to take a flying leap. Look at all the cap money they just saved. If he doesn't show up then it can't count against the cap.....can it? AK, when right, is a hell of a player.....but that contract is monstrous.