So, gotta wonder what the NBA will say - if anything - about this:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ayed-like-richard-sherman-on-demarcus-cousins
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ayed-like-richard-sherman-on-demarcus-cousins
One writer sees flop as new plan to stop DMC
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annihilator_33
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Robinson pretty much asking the media if the flop was obvious pisses me off, invisible calls that are being treated as jokes have shifted games for us 2 straight weeks
SacKings384
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To be fair DMC isn't doing himself any favors. He's out of control out there. He's making it easy to make flops look like offensive fouls. Shaq learned early on how to bully people but in a controlled fashion. DMC lets his temperament get the best of him. Flailing his arms a lot, laying on the ground, taking frustration fouls, etc. Some of them are bad calls, but those bad calls look worse and are more crucial because of the rest of the unnecessary fouls he's taking.
It's also clear the refs are not fans of his. He never gets the benefit. I still don't like his attitude out there at times but he has been much more in control and much more of a leader out there. The problem is that you can see that losing has taken it's toll on him. He's not the same guy control wise out there as he was in the beginning. He got a warning last night and his T's have gone up significantly since the beginning of the season.
It's also clear the refs are not fans of his. He never gets the benefit. I still don't like his attitude out there at times but he has been much more in control and much more of a leader out there. The problem is that you can see that losing has taken it's toll on him. He's not the same guy control wise out there as he was in the beginning. He got a warning last night and his T's have gone up significantly since the beginning of the season.
You keep acting as though DMC hasn't changed from previous seasons, which is simply not true...at least until recently. Please feel free to continue to be critical but at least be timely.
SacKings384
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To be clear I did say that "he has been much more in control and more of a leader out there." He definitely has been.
He has grown up a ton, and I don't blame him for being frustrated. But there are most definitely times where you can see DMC is upset, gets the ball, and you KNOW he's going to the hole whether or not someone is in his way or if hes doubled. Those are the plays where he's out of control and it ends up biting him. DMC is our franchise player and should be in the all star game/all NBA team. He's awesome. I just wish every now and then he'd tone it down a bit with the antics as it's not doing him any favors with the zebras.
rhythmless
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In a lot of ways, DMC is the closest and only thing to Shaq in his heyday. And from Shaq in his heyday, people realized he was a monster in the paint. Hacking, fouling and flopping were the only true ways to stop Shaq. This isn't a new plan. It's just, DMC was usually the guy to keep DMC from dominating. Now it's less so.
Still, flopping and hacking will always be the preferred method against a guy who is bigger than everyone else and has post skills.
Still, flopping and hacking will always be the preferred method against a guy who is bigger than everyone else and has post skills.
If Thomas Robinson asked reporters if his flop looked obvious, why isn't there a fine issued already?
I'm glad the NBA has started trying to dissuade players from flopping but I haven't seen a marked decrease in flops since the fines started. And besides the fact, a fine is all well and good, but a flop impacts the game in real time. I think the refs need to use their judgement to call a technical foul on flops.
DeMarcus is much more skilled and Shaq was far bigger and more athletic than Cousins, but yeah DMC is absolutely the most dominant post scorer in the NBA right now and I'm not surprised to see guys flopping against him. Hacking obviously wouldn't work since Boogie is a very good FT shooter for a big.
I'm glad the NBA has started trying to dissuade players from flopping but I haven't seen a marked decrease in flops since the fines started. And besides the fact, a fine is all well and good, but a flop impacts the game in real time. I think the refs need to use their judgement to call a technical foul on flops.
DeMarcus is much more skilled and Shaq was far bigger and more athletic than Cousins, but yeah DMC is absolutely the most dominant post scorer in the NBA right now and I'm not surprised to see guys flopping against him. Hacking obviously wouldn't work since Boogie is a very good FT shooter for a big.
I do not believe Boogie is intentionally losing his cool, etc. I cannot imagine how frustrating it must be for him to constantly be treated differently by the officials when he is blatantly fouled, gouged, hit, tripped, etc. There is no way anyone could be completely immune to such treatment. Having said that, please think back to the early part of the year. Boogie WAS showing a lot more control. Why? Because he knew his coach had his back. He doesn't know that...and last night certainly proved it.
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Pace
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Not just flopping, the NBA has changed so much that you no longer win being predominately in the post. I think that's the basis for "NBA 3.0".
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
i hate the NBA so much right now
rhythmless
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I wouldn't say much more skilled. Shaq had a great power game and was far more athletic. DMC has the outside game. Hacking works not for the fts, but to get DMC all riled up and lose focus.
Shaq's passing, ball handling and footwork in the post were all underrated so I don't easily say that Boogie is more skilled, but I really believe he is. He's incredibly fluid and with a feel for the game that you don't see from guys that size.
That said, DeMarcus isn't nearly (and won't ever be) the unstoppable force that O'Neal was. Boogie still gets stymied by certain matchups (Pekovic comes to mind) whereas there wasn't anyone who could guard Shaq one-on-one. Sure, the Dream basically schooled him in that playoff sweep in Shaq's 2nd year, but in his prime he was a force of nature.
And I agree with you on the hacking and flopping. It's something teams will do if they think they can get Cousins out of sorts mentally. It's also yet another reason I'm mad that Malone was gone. Not only did Cousins look like he was making strides in that department under Malone (and regressed under Corbin - in part because of the frustration of losing I'm sure) but as gunks points out, Malone had Cousins' back. And Cousins knew that. In part Malone was barking at the refs to try and get the calls DMC deserved. But in part he was doing it to show his best player that he was in his corner.
I like Corbin - I do. I think he was a great choice as a lead assistant and has been thrust into an unfortunate position. But one major criticism I do have for him as a head coach is that he seems to lack fire and passion. For all his skills, DeMarcus is not a natural leader. Neither is Gay. Malone was this teams' leader and I think that's as much or more the reason for the slide as the X's and O's.
Comcast SportsNet @CSNAuthentic 29m29 minutes ago
Flopping trend going up as defensive scheme vs. DeMarcus Cousins *VIDEO* (via @billherenda) http://www.csnbayarea.com/kings/flopping-trend-going-defensive-scheme-against-cousins…
Flopping trend going up as defensive scheme vs. DeMarcus Cousins *VIDEO* (via @billherenda) http://www.csnbayarea.com/kings/flopping-trend-going-defensive-scheme-against-cousins…
Hadlowe
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Hey guys, we're doing it wrong.
Well, crap. I guess my career is over.
Oh, shoot. How did I get here.
I guess I should give back those rings I won after I developed a post-up game.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
DFC would welcome a hack a Cuz defense.
rhythmless
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I was vague when I said hacking. I don't mean fouling just to send him to the line. I meant adding extra force on fouls and being more physical off ball in order to get in DMC's head. As long as you get away with it a few times, DMC will feel like the refs are against him, and it'll make him rush and get tunnel vision.
I always rooted against Shaq, being a Kings guy, but he absorbed a LOT of extracurricular punishment.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I understand. I think DMC will learn to handle this as he knows darn well people are trying to get him to lose his temper. There was a game recently where he was "abused" by guards and bigs and the result was just a foul against the other team. He's gaining control. I am a little surprised, actually.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Hey guys, we're doing it wrong.
Well, crap. I guess my career is over.
Oh, shoot. How did I get here.
I guess I should give back those rings I won after I developed a post-up game.
You forgot the Spurs, who have had their offensive rebirth running a bit of a variation on Adelman's old high post elbow system.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
Chris Paul is super proud of this "Flop on DMC" movement
upinsmoke
All-Star
Demarcus shouldn't be punished for being bigger and stronger than the guys who are "attempting" to guard him. If you don't double team him and choose to play that grown man's game in the paint then live with the results. Imo these refs are completely unprofessional in their approach to DMC. We need a real head coach to back up Cuz. Aggghh.
Siranthony
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To be fair, I have seen Demarcus flop like that also. He hasn't done it much but he has. But it really seems like a propblem when everyone is acting and it's not really about basketball anymore. This seems to be falling on deaf ears. Sports is getting more difficult to watch every year with rules and refereeing being suspect.
captain bill
All-Star
As much as it sucks, the only real solution might be for Cuz to start flopping himself. He doesn't exaggerate contact or "flop-back" when another players starts flopping, which is, unfortunately, a proven tactic for dealing with floppers.
Ideally, I want to see fouls get reviewed, to rescind personal fouls, or to simply remove the "6 fouls and you're out rule." This is the second time Cuz fouled out on a poopoo call this week, and it was obvious last night that foul #5 demoralized the entire team (IIRC, we were up at the time but fell apart after that). But I don't think those rules will change anytime soon, and teaching Cuz to flop might be the best way to turn this issue around quick.
Ideally, I want to see fouls get reviewed, to rescind personal fouls, or to simply remove the "6 fouls and you're out rule." This is the second time Cuz fouled out on a poopoo call this week, and it was obvious last night that foul #5 demoralized the entire team (IIRC, we were up at the time but fell apart after that). But I don't think those rules will change anytime soon, and teaching Cuz to flop might be the best way to turn this issue around quick.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
be nice if our front office would step up and raise hell with the league because of the way our star player is being treated.....
then again, our front office is probably treating him worse than NBA officials are
IfAt1st
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This is misleading - always has been.
Shaq CAUSED the contact. His whole career was built around being bigger and stronger than anyone on the court, and he plowed into the defender, dislodging them until he got close enough to the basket to throw up his crap shots (or dunk it). Dude couldn't shoot outside of 6 feet for YEARS.
Shaq was favored by the NBA, and allowed to do this. Defenders did not have a choice but to force Shaq to "absorb punishment", because he was plowing through them regardless if they established position or not.
It is LIGHT YEARS away from that, to compare what Demarcus has to go through on the court to what Shaq caused. Demarcus is seldom allowed to initiate any serious contact. All it takes is one small gesture and the refs call the offensive foul on DMC.
Actually in retrospect, I'm completely offended at anyone bringing up Shaq's game and comparing fouls with Demarcus. Shaq CAUSED his contact - Demarcus is forced to spin around guys or take jumpers or he gets the charge. Shaq dictated to the league they way he was played (he was a favored superstar) - Demarcus has been screwed his entire career and been denied a fair game (he is still a pariah / whipping boy).
Further, Shaq was and is not a sophisticated person, or player. He was and is a brute, with an uncomplicated play/life-style ("Tell me how my ass tastes") who has been favored/worshiped his entire life.
I would not be surprised if Demarcus doesn't really like Shaq - Shaq is an unintelligent, superficial and entitled person and player, and he would probably be the LAST person to help Demarcus deal with the NBA crap that is Demarcus's bball life. Hell, Shaq left Orlando to be a bandwagon winner in LA (and the easy life) instead of sticking it out with his team.
If Boogie starts to flop, he is no better than they are AND he and we cannot complain about how he's treated. Two wrongs do not make a right, especially in this instance.
I feel like here is where Boogie's relatively low athleticism hurts him (on the offensive end). He's big and strong but lacks the vertical explosiveness to really force the refs to call the foul when he goes up and gets whacked. That's the difference between him and Shaq. Cousins often gets deep post position but is still unable to finish (albeit with contact) while a Dwight or Shaq would be able to just dunk it due to their athleticism. Hopefully the refs start giving Cuz some calls...
