Now that utah has favors, big al, and milsap

[pupsingh]

what do you think are the chances they would trade one of them? i would like milsap the best, i know hes a good scorer, but hows his defense? similar stats as landry when he was a starter but that didnt go so well. also what could we get him for? jt+greene? hopefully not the draft pick and obviously not cuz or reke.

p.s. isnt it kind of wierd that dwill got sloan out the door now hes gone too?

 

[rainmaker]

Simply put, no.

Neither plays defense. Both are somewhat undersized. Milsap is similar to Landry. No thanks. And with Cousins and Maloofs publicly stating they want to resign Dally, why Big Al?

 

[kingsboi]

Simply put, no.

Neither plays defense. Both are somewhat undersized. Milsap is similar to Landry. No thanks. And with Cousins and Maloofs publicly stating they want to resign Dally, why Big Al?

When did Cousins state he wanted Dalembert signed? I didn't see it anywhere.

 

[vikinginferno]

The only one I like for our team is Favors. If he pans out (which I actually have some doubts about), he would fit perfectly next to DMC. The only problem is I realllyy doubt they trade the 3rd pick in this year's draft for anything less than our draft pick this season and possibly that wouldn't even be enough.

 

[Showtime]

Neither plays defense. Both are somewhat undersized. Milsap is similar to Landry. No thanks.

LMFAO what planet are kings fans on?

Not only is Millsap better than any big man currently on the roster (as in, today), but he's far more productive and talented than Landry, and I would deal anybody on the kings not named Cousins or Evans to get him and it would be worth it.

The guy has had to share the ball with two other scorers in Williams and Big Al, and still has been a productive scorer getting 18 PPG on 53% shooting. He's also a bigger body than Landry, so he doesn't get punished inside like Landry often does. He also gets a good number of steals and blocks. He's a better rebounder than Landry as well. Dude has an overall game.

 

[steelevt]

Neither plays defense. Both are somewhat undersized. Milsap is similar to Landry. No thanks.

LMFAO what planet are kings fans on?

Not only is Millsap better than any big man currently on the roster (as in, today), but he's far more productive and talented than Landry, and I would deal anybody on the kings not named Cousins or Evans to get him and it would be worth it.

The guy has had to share the ball with two other scorers in Williams and Big Al, and still has been a productive scorer getting 18 PPG on 53% shooting. He's also a bigger body than Landry, so he doesn't get punished inside like Landry often does. He also gets a good number of steals and blocks. He's a better rebounder than Landry as well. Dude has an overall game.

the longer i've been a fan the more i see that sometimes kings fans have 2 pairs of glasses on. the ones that see that our players are alot better than they really are, and the glasses that make them see that no player is good enough to play for the kings. lebron, kobe, carmelo...not good enough. maybe at a glance, you can see that milsap is an undersized pf so he might resemble landry from a distance. but if you really compare the two, milsap>>>landry

 

[rainmaker]

When did Cousins state he wanted Dalembert signed? I didn't see it anywhere.

With Cousins and the Maloofs stating they want to resign Dally. That would be 2 centers on our roster. Comprende?

 

[rainmaker]

LMFAO what planet are kings fans on?

Not only is Millsap better than any big man currently on the roster (as in, today), but he's far more productive and talented than Landry, and I would deal anybody on the kings not named Cousins or Evans to get him and it would be worth it.

The guy has had to share the ball with two other scorers in Williams and Big Al, and still has been a productive scorer getting 18 PPG on 53% shooting. He's also a bigger body than Landry, so he doesn't get punished inside like Landry often does. He also gets a good number of steals and blocks. He's a better rebounder than Landry as well. Dude has an overall game.

Doesn't change the fact Millsap is undersized, and gets abused on defense. Doesn't pass either. Plenty of similarities to Landry. If you want to add an undersized pf who can't play defense be my guest. Good thing Petrie looks to be going in the opposite direction.

 

[Showtime]

Doesn't change the fact Millsap is undersized,

It makes that point irrelevant. He's not undersized. He's 250lb+, bulky, and can hold his own. He's got no problems from a physical standpoint playing the 4 spot, get it?

Doesn't pass either.

Doesn't need to. Oh, and he's got a positive ast/tov ratio. This season, he's averaging 2.3 AST to 1.8 TOV. Every single Kings big has a negative ast/tov ratio.

Plenty of similarities to Landry.

Only to those that don't know wtf they are talking about. Other than them being similar height, there's nothing Landry can do that's up to par with Paul.

If you want to add an undersized pf who can't play defense be my guest. Good thing Petrie looks to be going in the opposite direction.

I suggest you watch more Jazz because if you equate Landry with Millsap, then you are a fool. I could go into greater detail here, but I will save the time.

 

[vikinginferno]

Yes, Millsap is definitely better than Landry, but if you take into account what we would need to give up for him and his lack of a great fit here next to Demarcus, it's just not a trade that's going to happen.

 

[Showtime]

Yes, Millsap is definitely better than Landry, but if you take into account what we would need to give up for him and his lack of a great fit here next to Demarcus, it's just not a trade that's going to happen.

If Dally and Casspi almost got Deron, I'm sure Paul would be available for less. I'm not saying it's going to happen, I'm just saying that equating Millsap to Landry is just a ludicrous stance.

 

[rainmaker]

It makes that point irrelevant. He's not undersized. He's 250lb+, bulky, and can hold his own. He's got no problems from a physical standpoint playing the 4 spot, get it?



Doesn't need to. Oh, and he's got a positive ast/tov ratio. This season, he's averaging 2.3 AST to 1.8 TOV. Every single Kings big has a negative ast/tov ratio.



Only to those that don't know wtf they are talking about. Other than them being similar height, there's nothing Landry can do that's up to par with Paul.



I suggest you watch more Jazz because if you equate Landry with Millsap, then you are a fool. I could go into greater detail here, but I will save the time.

This is from the draft combine

Steadily improving young big man who had a breakout season in 08-09, establishing himself as a legit cornerstone of the Utah Jazz. Extremely undersized for a power forward at just 6-6 without shoes

So do I get it? Yeah I get it. You I have no clue what the hell you're talking about. I prefer debating with people who have a clue about what they're talking about. Let me know when you get off the floor and stop rolling around laughing. That's not behavior adults display.

 

[vikinginferno]

If Dally and Casspi almost got Deron, I'm sure Paul would be available for less. I'm not saying it's going to happen, I'm just saying that equating Millsap to Landry is just a ludicrous stance.

No, Dally and Casspi didn't almost get Deron. There really was nothing more than a rumor that one person has put out there that we were close to getting D-Will and everything else was speculation. Also, the speculation that people did make definitely at least included first round picks also. Also, they wanted to get D-Will out and there's not really anything that says they want to trade Millsap, so he's harder to get for his relative price.

 

[pupsingh]

If Dally and Casspi almost got Deron, I'm sure Paul would be available for less. I'm not saying it's going to happen, I'm just saying that equating Millsap to Landry is just a ludicrous stance.

whoa whoa whoa....casspi and dally almost got traded for deron??? where did u get that?

also, for all that would like milsap, would u give up the draft pick barring it being top 3? say the no.5 pick?

Milsap
Cousins
Casspi
Tyreke
Taylor( i think he can develop into a good starting two guard but this is just my wishful thinking)

bench:
cisco
thornton
beno
JT
Dally
greene
jeter


seems like a formidable squad

but man o man does it feel posting personnel ideas with this big elephant in the room looming over our head

 

[Showtime]

This is from the draft combine

LMAO I stopped reading right there. How about "this from...the last few years of him actually playing"? I'll take that over combine comments. How about you tell me how disadvantaged Millsap is at the 4 spot? Or do you just look at his height and say that without watching him play?

There's a difference between saying a guy is undersized, and saying a guy is short. Paul is 6'7", but he's not undersized. He can effectively play the PF position, and has no trouble doing so. Barkely was 6'5" and had no problem. The problem comes when a player's size makes him a liability and limits effectiveness. Millsap has flourished at the 4 spot, and no Jazz fan would say he's a liability to his team instead of an asset. You would know this if you watched him play instead of looking at a draft express profile and making conclusions.

 

[Showtime]

whoa whoa whoa....casspi and dally almost got traded for deron??? where did u get that?

The report was sac would send Dally to Houston, Casspi to Utah, and get Deron.

also, for all that would like milsap, would u give up the draft pick barring it being top 3? say the no.5 pick?

Milsap
Cousins
Casspi
Tyreke
Taylor( i think he can develop into a good starting two guard but this is just my wishful thinking)

bench:
cisco
thornton
beno
JT
Dally
greene
jeter


seems like a formidable squad

but man o man does it feel posting personnel ideas with this big elephant in the room looming over our head

I'm just saying comparing Landry to Millsap as equals is foolish. One guy made Carlos Boozer, a 20/10 guy, expendable on a playoff team. The other couldn't carve out a starting spot on the second worst team in the league.

 

[Showtime]

No, Dally and Casspi didn't almost get Deron. There really was nothing more than a rumor that one person has put out there that we were close to getting D-Will and everything else was speculation. Also, the speculation that people did make definitely at least included first round picks also. Also, they wanted to get D-Will out and there's not really anything that says they want to trade Millsap, so he's harder to get for his relative price.

I'm not saying Utah is having a fire-sale. I'm saying if the Kings pushed hard enough, I'm sure they could have made a deal. Speculation has the Jazz remaining active up to the deadline. And I wouldn't have a hard time believing the Houston rumors, especially since part of the reason they sent Deron to the Nets was because they would perfer him not staying in the West, so I don't doubt they also had something going and NJ was just the better deal overall for them.

 

[pupsingh]

I'm just saying comparing Landry to Millsap as equals is foolish. One guy made Carlos Boozer, a 20/10 guy, expendable on a playoff team. The other couldn't carve out a starting spot on the second worst team in the league.[/QUOTE]

what does that have to do with the proposed lineup? im for Milsap over landry not against

 

[Spike]

With Cousins and the Maloofs stating they want to resign Dally. That would be 2 centers on our roster. Comprende?

Not to pick a nit, but a comma after Cousins would have added a little more clarity on the statement. I read it as both stating that they wanted to re-sign Daly as well.

 

[Showtime]

what does that have to do with the proposed lineup? im for Milsap over landry not against

I would take:

Evans
Thornton
Casspi
Millsap
Cousins

even if it cost the team their first rounder.

 

[est.1999]

LMAO I stopped reading right there. How about "this from...the last few years of him actually playing"? I'll take that over combine comments. How about you tell me how disadvantaged Millsap is at the 4 spot? Or do you just look at his height and say that without watching him play?

There's a difference between saying a guy is undersized, and saying a guy is short. Paul is 6'7", but he's not undersized. He can effectively play the PF position, and has no trouble doing so. Barkely was 6'5" and had no problem. The problem comes when a player's size makes him a liability and limits effectiveness. Millsap has flourished at the 4 spot, and no Jazz fan would say he's a liability to his team instead of an asset. You would know this if you watched him play instead of looking at a draft express profile and making conclusions.

Totally agree with you. Milsap >>>>> Landry.

Rainmaker, I usually agree with you, but you're pretty far off on your assessment of Milsap and comparing Landry to Milsap is even more far off.

 

[pupsingh]

so what would the consensus be on trading the pick for milsap? and is it something petrie might do?

 

[Showtime]

so what would the consensus be on trading the pick for milsap? and is it something petrie might do?

That was entirely speculation. There's nothing indicating anything is in the works, and the kings aren't taking on salary unless it's a 'home run' type deal.

 

[Dr. Spaceman]

so what would the consensus be on trading the pick for milsap? and is it something petrie might do?

Giving up a lottery pick for Paul freaking Milsap would make us the laughing stock of the NBA. I would hope it's not something Petrie is thinking about. Whatever you guys want to think about Milsap's skills, which he does possess, at the end of the day, he's still an undersized PF. He would still get wrecked by the Lakers' frontline, which is exactly what happened in last year's playoffs. He would still get wrecked by Boston. And by wrecked, I mean just shoot over him constantly.

Paired with Cousins, they would make a pairing about as atrocious defensively as the Cousins/Landry duo that Westphal would stupidly throw out there. So your other option would be to only play him with Dalembert. Why would you give up your high lottery pick for a player that you would immediately have to hide on defense like that?

 

[Showtime]

Totally agree with you. Milsap >>>>> Landry.

Rainmaker, I usually agree with you, but you're pretty far off on your assessment of Milsap and comparing Landry to Milsap is even more far off.

The only negative regarding Millsap from the jazz fans I'm asking is that he's a PF. Not a combo forward, not a center, but a PF and that's what he is. Not a bad thing, but not ideal for the teams who like to run guys in multiple positions. However, most of the time he's got no problem playing the PF position unless he faces a lineup like Bynum/Gasol, in which case 90% of the league has trouble with that kind of size and talent.

He would still get wrecked by the Lakers' frontline, which is exactly what happened in last year's playoffs. He would still get wrecked by Boston. And by wrecked, I mean just shoot over him constantly.

For the record, most of the league gets wrecked by the Lakers and Boston, because they are two of the most talented teams in the league and championship contenders. The only way your point has any relevance is if the Kings were attempting to overcome either of those teams in a playoff series. Most of the PF's in the league that spend most of their time at the 4 spot are around 6-9ish, and Millsap has proven not to have trouble being productive.

Paired with Cousins, they would make a pairing about as atrocious defensively as the Cousins/Landry duo that Westphal would stupidly throw out there. So your other option would be to only play him with Dalembert. Why would you give up your high lottery pick for a player that you would immediately have to hide on defense like that?

Show me the defensive stopper the kings have currently at the PF position. Oh wait...

A C is supposed to make up for defensive deficiencies. That's part of the position as the last line of defense. But since the Kings don't have a good defensive PF anyway, they might as well get one who can put up close to 18/10 every night as a role player instead of what they have now.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

what do you think are the chances they would trade one of them? i would like milsap the best, i know hes a good scorer, but hows his defense? similar stats as landry when he was a starter but that didnt go so well. also what could we get him for? jt+greene? hopefully not the draft pick and obviously not cuz or reke.

p.s. isnt it kind of wierd that dwill got sloan out the door now hes gone too?

LOL cmon man. we just traded our undersized PF and you are looking for another one?

 

[hiero]

I love millsap as a player he's amazing on the boards and a wide big strong body, but no way would I give up any first rd pick for him. I'd do maybe jt and Beno but not Reke DMC casspi dalembert in the trade. I could imagine millsap cousins dalembert being a beastly frontcourt. not exactly the best fit next to cousins but I think with dalembert and the way he's been playing they could make it work. millsap is so much better than landry it's not even funny, not comparable players as carl is more finesse and scoring and millsap is just a beast and overpowers people and is a great rebounder. if we got millsap I'd be pretty excited assuming we didn't give up one of the above players.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

It makes that point irrelevant. He's not undersized. He's 250lb+, bulky, and can hold his own. He's got no problems from a physical standpoint playing the 4 spot, get it?


Doesn't need to. Oh, and he's got a positive ast/tov ratio. This season, he's averaging 2.3 AST to 1.8 TOV. Every single Kings big has a negative ast/tov ratio.



Only to those that don't know wtf they are talking about. Other than them being similar height, there's nothing Landry can do that's up to par with Paul.



I suggest you watch more Jazz because if you equate Landry with Millsap, then you are a fool. I could go into greater detail here, but I will save the time.

dude is undersized at the PF position period.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

so what would the consensus be on trading the pick for milsap? and is it something petrie might do?

what drug would petrie need to be on to trade the high lotto pick for millsap? heroine? cocaine? ecstasy? he'd be instantly fired for trading that pick for millsap.

 

[Showtime]

dude is undersized at the PF position period.

How many times do I have to point this out? There's a difference between being undersized, and being short. Millsap doesn't lack the size or strength to play the position, despite being 6'7". His height and size is only relevant if it hinders production and effectiveness, which it doesn't in his case. His body size and effort compensate for anything lacking in height.

That's like somebody being stupid enough to say they wouldn't want a prime Ben Wallace because he's too undersized to play the C position. If a player finds ways to produce instead of being a liability, then it doesn't matter.

Jazz fans:

"he can guard guys at the 4. He has a defensive toughness a lot of guys don't have."

"He is very efficient and rather consistent. He shoots over 54% from the floor, and many of those shots are 16 - 18 foot jumpers. He has great touch, is a solid finisher in traffic and very rarely takes a bad shot. The fact that he always plays hard gives him an advantage in that he is ready anytime his opponent lets up."

"There's times where [height liability is] the case, but as a general rule? No. He'd be better off playing with a true center, as opposed to Al, but Millsap's defensive issues are overstated. And on offense, size is rarely ever an issue for him. Dude just has a knack for getting the ball up around the basket."

Again, saying that Landry is undersized, so they don't want Millsap is essentially saying that Landry's struggles of being consistently productive because of his height are the same issues Millsap has, only Millsap doesn't have issues being productive, as he's one of the most productive and efficient players at his position in the entire league.