New Home Run King

#31
And this is where Major League Baseball f***ed up royally, and opened the door for this crisis they have on their hands now.

I don't like Barry Bonds * at all *, but it's not fair to criticize him for using illegal performance enhancing substances (which is the key, whether it was against MLB rules or not), and turn our heads at the other tainted numbers in the game. And there have undoubtedly been plenty in the past 20 years.

That having been said, I know that steroids didn't help Hank Aaron or Willie Mays or Babe Ruth hit 755 or 714 or 660. I can't say the same about Bonds.

And it's MLB's fault for not jumping all over this from the beginning. No one is ever going to claim that the NFL's all time numbers are tainted; Peyton Manning isn't looked at sideways for throwing 49 touchdowns in a season. That's because the NFL set a standard 20 years ago, making it clear that they would not tolerate substance abusers in their game. They have been far from perfect, but they haven't allowed it to overshadow the entire sport. And when a reliable method of testing for HGH is formulated, the NFL will be right there, implementing it in their program. Is anyone that confident about MLB?

Had MLB come out right away and cracked down on this (really, how absurd is it to NOT have a rule against illegal performance enhancing drugs?), then Jose Canseco wouldn't be consider the most in touch person associated with baseball, an authority. These records, including the McGwire/Sosa home run chase ten years ago, wouldn't have suspicion cast over them. There would be no asterisks.
You're right it is MLB's fault, I also believe that they knew it and swept it under the rug. Baseball was in a slump and the trumped up numbers were briniging excitement back to the game. Essentially steroid use was good for baseball at one time, so nothing was said.
 
#35
And yet Lance Armstrong is held up as an American sports hero.
Well, Armstrong was tested and never failed one. Bonds(and every other player that used steroids/HGH) was never tested for those performance enhancing drugs so there will always be that cloud even though there is alot of evidence that they used it. Even now(not as much anymore) players are getting popped for steriod use in MLB and if this testing was going on during the steroid era the sport wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is as quite a few players would have been suspended.

I find baseball incredibly boring anyway and can't stand the Giants(even though I grew up in the Bay Area) so I don't really give a crap.
 
#36
Well, Armstrong was tested and never failed one. Bonds(and every other player that used steroids/HGH) was never tested for those performance enhancing drugs so there will always be that cloud even though there is alot of evidence that they used it. Even now(not as much anymore) players are getting popped for steriod use in MLB and if this testing was going on during the steroid era the sport wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is as quite a few players would have been suspended.

I find baseball incredibly boring anyway and can't stand the Giants(even though I grew up in the Bay Area) so I don't really give a crap.
Why you replying then to the post? :confused:
 

VF21

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#37
It appears as though he was responding primarily to the direct statement about Lance Armstrong.

I've tried to moderate this thread but if someone (and so far it's been Bonds supporters) is going to bring other athletes into the discussion then people have the right to respond.

You guys can't have it both ways.
 
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Warhawk

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#38
I think the greatest part about last night, was the "passing of the torch" from Hank Aaron. He basically blessed Barry for what he has done, and what he will continue to do. That was a truly special moment. And it showed how wrong the media was over the last month or so about Hank and his feelings. I've gotten word that Henry made that tape over 5 weeks ago. I guess if he had sent a copy to reporters across the nation at that time, then we wouldn't have had to listen to them put words in Hank's mouth. But what a sweet surprise to an otherwise magical night.
Uh, does anyone have the quote of the message from Hank. I read it somewhere and thought it was the least supportive congratulations I had seen in a while.

Ah, here, in the sacbee:

Aaron, who was not among the announced 43,154 in attendance, sent the following message on the stadium video board:

"I would like to offer my congratulations to Barry Bonds on becoming baseball's career home run leader.

"It is a great accomplishment which required skill, longevity and determination. Throughout the past century, the home run has held a special place in baseball, and I have been privileged to hold this record for 33 of those years.

"I move over now and offer my best wishes to Barry and his family on this historic achievement. My hope today, as it was on that April evening in 1974, is that the achievement of this record will inspire others to chase their own dreams."

http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/314444.html

It seems, so.......lukewarm. Almost forced and orchestrated. Nothing saying BB is a great player, etc., just that he broke the record. Basically a polite "Yeah, you passed me on the record. Have a nice life." I like to think his last sentence is a fervent hope that someone else passes BB to take the record back. But that's just me. ;)
 

VF21

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#39
It's all a matter of perspective, Warhawk. There are some who think that's proof of Aaron's full support of Barry Bonds.

Hank Aaron is a class act. He had taped that statement, according to one reporter I heard, a while back so it could be played when his record was broken. I happen to agree with you that it is pretty impersonal when you think about but that's just me.

;)
 
#40
I wouldn't call it a blessing either. It was certainly better than Selig's statements, though. I don't mind him throwing in the caveat about the circumstances once or twice, but he qualified every single statement he made which seemed to make the comments completely disingenuous.
 
#41
Aaron is indeed a class act. And I agree that the Hank Aaron congratulatory video (which was recorded a while back) did seem like it was "canned". That is, it didn't seem very heartfelt, at least in my opinion.

Perhaps it was intended as some sort of a public show of a goodwill gesture to Bonds, since Aaron didn't want to be traveling around until Bonds hit #756.
 

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#42
Or perhaps it was no more than exactly what it appeared to be. A recognition of the fact the record had been broken and a perfunctory congratulations to the man who did it.