My first official rant by Darth Vlade

[Spike]

Here is my question. How many games has he actually watched? Was he just going off the game he was at or has he watch a bunch of games?

I was at the game so I don't know if it was mentioned or what the context of his statement was.

I'm pretty sure the Big O knows how the game should be played, especially by a scoring PG.
Seriously though, the game he watched was pretty similar to everything the Kings have done since moving to smallball. It's not like he's taking one unique moment out of context.

 

[Spike]

I wouldn't mind trying out our team under coach Paul Silas and Jordan as owner, just for half a season. Just to see whether we end up as bad as the Bobcats hahaha... At least we'd have a nice spanky stadium.

Be careful what you wish for - we're about half-way there...

 

[VF21]

Personally, I feel our biggest problem is our owners. The Maloofs have 2 switches right now – 1. They’re cheap 2. They run on their emotions…We saw it with Ron and it continues to change (Tyreke, Demarcus, and now I.T) I don’t even want to mention the coaches...But while they do that, they in some way throw the other guys that they hyped away...and at this point they're currently hurting one of our future players - Tyreke.

Ever since Rick left it’s been a sinking ship. We’ve had more coaches that we do players on our bench. We don’t have stability. They want to control everything and yes, to a degree they should have a say but I’ve seen this time and time again – they think that they’re both the GM and Coach. You’ll see them give up the reigns only to want it back again.

I’m sorry but if they want to play all those positions its no wonder why free agents won’t come here.

They’ve thrown away so much money on coaches that have no credential that if they just kept Rick or hired someone who has some authority our players/franchise would be more stable.

I agree that we should get a good coach. Smart has done some good things but he’s also had me scratching my head and being totally frustrated…I’m not in favor or Sloan but I do like Nate McMillan and I think he would be nice for this team. I wouldn’t mind having Smart on the bench as an assistant but they should hire Nate, sign him to a 3 year deal. Let the guy be the coach and let our GM have some freedom…Somehow I don’t think that’s going to happen.

Sorry if this was a little scattered.

I already posted a rant about the Maloofs. This, although labeled my first official rant, was actually my second. Just the first as "Darth Vlade" instead of "Eternal Optimist." Sorry if it gets confusing.

 

[VF21]

Here is my question. How many games has he actually watched? Was he just going off the game he was at or has he watch a bunch of games?

I was at the game so I don't know if it was mentioned or what the context of his statement was.

Seriously? You're going to question whether or not Oscar freaking Robertson knows what he's talking about?

At the time his comment was made, he was sitting with Grant and adding commentary about what he was seeing on the court. He spoke with obvious knowledge of the players and partially in response to a question by Grant.

 

[Section 101]

Seriously? You're going to question whether or not Oscar freaking Robertson knows what he's talking about?

At the time his comment was made, he was sitting with Grant and adding commentary about what he was seeing on the court. He spoke with obvious knowledge of the players and partially in response to a question by Grant.

Still doesn't answer the question.

 

[VF21]

Still doesn't answer the question.

I don't know how many Kings games he has watched but based on his comments, I would presume he has at least a working familiarity with the team (or at least Evans, Thomas and Cousins). He spoke more than once about the ability of Evans to drive inside and how difficult it seemed to be for most teams to stop him.

 

[sidney]

Still doesn't answer the question.

So you're on an internet fan board demanding accurate information about Oscar Robertson's TV viewing habits...

 

[Section 101]

So you're on an internet fan board demanding accurate information about Oscar Robertson's TV viewing habits...

I was asking if it was brought up on the telecast that I didn't watch because I was AT THE GAME.

 

[Section 101]

Seriously? You're going to question whether or not Oscar freaking Robertson knows what he's talking about?

At the time his comment was made, he was sitting with Grant and adding commentary about what he was seeing on the court. He spoke with obvious knowledge of the players and partially in response to a question by Grant.

Oh and as an example, Webber who played here you would think would know what's happening with the arena sitution too especially after he talked to people. How did that work out?

 

[Bricklayer]

Oh and as an example, Webber who played here you would think would know what's happening with the arena sitution too especially after he talked to people. How did that work out?

What on Earth does Webber knowing the ins and outs of Sacramento area politics (which that misunderstanding was about -- it was about a City Council vote) have to do with a HOF basketball player's ability to watch another basketball player and assess his game? Answer: it doesn't.

 

[Section 101]

What on Earth does Webber knowing the ins and outs of Sacramento area politics (which that misunderstanding was about -- it was about a City Council vote) have to do with a HOF basketball player's ability to watch another basketball player and assess his game? Answer: it doesn't.

It has to do with Hall of Famers who actually dont watch or pay attention their old teams. Anyone can be prepped on the most recent game, but if you dont have the background for the current players time with the team then there is information left out. So was he making statements of the current game or the entire year?

 

[hrdboild]

It has to do with Hall of Famers who actually dont watch or pay attention their old teams. Anyone can be prepped on the most recent game, but if you dont have the background for the current players time with the team then there is information left out. So was he making statements of the current game or the entire year?

I think it's pretty obvious he was just watching the game and describing what he saw. Has he never seen Tyreke play before? Doubtful. The guy did win rookie of the year after all -- casual basketball fans have seen him play before. But at the same time, I doubt he watches almost every game like we do.

I don't think that makes his opinion, as a hall-of-fame basketball player with a similar build and a similar style of play, any less insightful. In fact, I don't think you would have to watch more than about 10 minutes of any Kings game in the last two months to see that Tyreke isn't being utilized properly. We've all been saying that -- but it does carry more weight coming from Oscar Robertson. By virtue of his past experience, he has a level of authority on the subject that none of us will ever have.

 

[VF21]

I think it's pretty obvious he was just watching the game and describing what he saw. Has he never seen Tyreke play before? Doubtful. The guy did win rookie of the year after all -- casual basketball fans have seen him play before. But at the same time, I doubt he watches almost every game like we do.

I disagree. To me it was fairly apparent that Big O had at least a rudimentary knowledge of Tyreke Evans, his skills and abilities, and his current situation.

And yes, Section101, we get it. You were at the game. Since you didn't hear the broadcast, I find it ludicrous that you continue to argue about the meaning of Big O's comments. What is important to me is that a Hall of Fame player whose number hangs in the rafters at PBP came on and said something that made a helluva lot of sense about the proper utilization of Tyreke Evans. You want to argue minutiae and I wanted to point out that this was another indication that Smart just wasn't making the best use of Evans' talents.

There are certain players who, if they actually talk specifics about a current player, bear listening to. I would argue vehemently that Oscar Robertson is one of those players.

 

[swisshh]

I actually think a lot of former player opinions are useless. A great majority of pro athletes are physically gifted but not all that analytically able or smart. If you gave the average superstar a chance to draft a team he'd want, he'd probably grab a bunch of washed up guys and players that don't mix just because of what I can best describe as "name value".

But Big O is the type of player I'd listen to, as long as the changes in the game haven't passed him and his concept of basketball by.

 

[Spike]

I would argue vehemently that Oscar Robertson is one of those players.

Yes.

 

[bloom]

Couldn't agree more!

However, one thing that we are overlooking, myself included is, why would a coach that is worth a pinch of salt want to come to coach the Kings?! I know we have some nice young talent and IMHO 2 players to build around in Cousins and Evans BUT a MAJOR turn off in all this is the ownership and uncertainty of the situation.

Lets to a little exercise where we out ourselves in the position of Nate McMillan who I think would be great for this team. I have no doubt he will get another coaching job during the off-season.

Pros for coaching the Kings
- Young talent already here (specifically Cousins and Evans who are McMillan type players)
- Another quality lottery pick to add to the mix
- Fantastic fan base

Cons for coaching the Kings
- Schizophrenic ownership
- Uncertainty of the whereabouts of the franchise (will they remain in Sacramento or will they relocate and where to?)
- Cost cutting in the operations department
- Broke owners who won't spend to get better and will continue to field a team on the cheap
- Will the owners have the ability to re-sign our most important players (Cousins and Reke).

There are just too many question marks around this franchise at the moment for any self respecting, proven NBA coach to be interested in overlooking other opportunities to jump on board.

We are in a REALLY ****ty position where even if the Magoofs WANT to spend some serious money or a REAL, PROVEN coach, chances are that coach will say "thanks but no thanks" and look elsewhere.

Its almost better being unemployed coach than being employed by the Kings.

You’re right. I think the drawing point will have to be the Maloofs making a clear cut (and maybe in writing because they don’t honor their word) that the coach will have control of the team (meaning his players) and the GM will have their hands free to truly improve this team.

Other than that, you’re right, why would a proven coach come into this ownership mess and that goes back to my original problem…

I really do hope that we talk to Nate this summer, I'm not sure that's going to happen and I think this would be huge mistake. (On the Side: And from what I've heard the Magic might go after him if SVG is fired.)

 

[bloom]

Does anybody have the video of Oscar Robertson talking about Tyreke? I'd love to hear what he has to say. Thanks in advance.

I already posted a rant about the Maloofs. This, although labeled my first official rant, was actually my second. Just the first as "Darth Vlade" instead of "Eternal Optimist." Sorry if it gets confusing.

Sorry, I guess I missed it..btw, I like you as "Darth Vlade" but I see you still have optimism in you And that's a great thing.

 

[Section 101]

Seriously? You're going to question whether or not Oscar freaking Robertson knows what he's talking about?

At the time his comment was made, he was sitting with Grant and adding commentary about what he was seeing on the court. He spoke with obvious knowledge of the players and partially in response to a question by Grant.

Oh look what I found. Since you are so high on Oscars opinion I guess you have jumped on the darkside. So it is now settled, Tyreke is not a PG because Oscar Robinson says so.

They need to address one situation. They need better athletes. It's difficult to get a player and try to make him a player he's not (Tyreke Evans at point guard).

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/04/20/4428697/qa-with-oscar-robertson.html#storylink=cpy

 

[VF21]

Oh look what I found. Since you are so high on Oscars opinion I guess you have jumped on the darkside. So it is now settled, Tyreke is not a PG because Oscar Robinson says so.

Yes, I respect Oscar Robertson and his opinion. And no, I don't think I've gotten into the Reke is a point guard argument this year. I think he's a guard - well, d'oh - but I prefer to see him at the 2, with IT playing the 1. And ideally, they'd play as a guard duo adapting their roles to best confuse and confound the competition at any given time.

BTW? Anything else of mine you'd like to dig up and refute? Feel free but I have to at some point wonder just how much of this is just post envy.