Most Overrated Players and Teams

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Netguy115

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Every year there's some players and teams that are drastically overrated by the media and fans. Last year some of the most overrated players going into the season were Latrell Sprewell, Sam Cassell, and Yao Ming, and overrated teams were the Minnesota Timberwolves and Utah Jazz.

Here's my list for this year, how about your add yours too:

Most Overrated Players:

1. Tony Parker - His shot sucks, he not a great passer, he has basically no impact in the playoffs of last year except to pull off some great drives. Sure, he's a good penetrating for lay-ups guard but that's about it. He keeps sneaking into lists of "top 5 PG's" and "top this" and "top that" though extremely undeservedly.
2. Antoine Walker - Horrible 3-point shooter even though he hoists up hundreds of them a year, one of the worst free-throw shooters in the league, and is supposedly a point-forward and a "good" passer though he averages about as many turn-overs as assists. Three all-star game appearances and is a 41% career shooter? That is the definition of overrated.
3. Yao Ming - You're 7'6" and you average 8.4 rpg last year? I think that says it all.
4. Peja Stojakovic - Yes, it pains me to put his name on this list but its true. He doesn't shoot well off the dribble, can't rebound well at 6'10", and has no interior or driving game. He's a good ball-handler and the best shooter in the league, but he is not worth the max contract some team (99% chance the Kings) are going to give him next year.
5. Bruce Bowen - Hailed as this great defender, but is a career averager of 2.7rpg and .88spg. His defense is also very cheap, and has been accused many times of using illegally defending his opponent, though the refs always let him get away with it. Just watch a Spurs game and you can see on many occasions that Bruce Bowen does not legally guard his man.

Most Overrated Teams
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1. Pheonix Suns - Everyone is rating them way, way too high. They are a .500 team without Amare, and when he gets back he will most likely A) not be back to full health; and B) screw up what little chemistry they had made in the 4 months together without him. Also, they traded away their two best shooters....for a cup of coffee and an aging PF.
2. Miami Heat - This team is stacked way too high, and with players very unorthodox to Miami's past strategies. They will struggle at lot more than many people think and might wind up as low as 4th in the East.
3. Denver Nuggets - No shooting guard. No shooters at all really. Too many forwards. Why haven't they traded Nene for a shooting guard? C'mon Kiki! They'll be good, but not as good as people have predicted.

So, how about your lists?
 

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REMINDER - Things like this have been tried before, and pretty much always ended badly. If you're going to post in this thread, therefore, please remember to keep your comments about the topic. Don't let yourself be drawn into personal conflicts with other posters...

Thanks.
 
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Netguy115 said:
3. Yao Ming - You're 7'6" and you average 8.4 rpg last year? I think that says it all.
In 30 mpg. Let me put it in perspective, Brad averages 1 rebound more in 38 mpg. Yao's stamina is his downfall.

As for Bruce Bowen, defensive stats =/= good defense. Is Bowen really overratted though? It's not like I've heard anyone else praise him besides Steve Kerr.
 
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Netguy115 said:
Every year there's some players and teams that are drastically overrated by the media and fans. Last year some of the most overrated players going into the season were Latrell Sprewell, Sam Cassell, and Yao Ming, and overrated teams were the Minnesota Timberwolves and Utah Jazz.

Here's my list for this year, how about your add yours too:

Most Overrated Players:

1. Tony Parker - His shot sucks, he not a great passer, he has basically no impact in the playoffs of last year except to pull off some great drives. Sure, he's a good penetrating for lay-ups guard but that's about it. He keeps sneaking into lists of "top 5 PG's" and "top this" and "top that" though extremely undeservedly.
2. Antoine Walker - Horrible 3-point shooter even though he hoists up hundreds of them a year, one of the worst free-throw shooters in the league, and is supposedly a point-forward and a "good" passer though he averages about as many turn-overs as assists. Three all-star game appearances and is a 41% career shooter? That is the definition of overrated.
3. Yao Ming - You're 7'6" and you average 8.4 rpg last year? I think that says it all.
4. Peja Stojakovic - Yes, it pains me to put his name on this list but its true. He doesn't shoot well off the dribble, can't rebound well at 6'10", and has no interior or driving game. He's a good ball-handler and the best shooter in the league, but he is not worth the max contract some team (99% chance the Kings) are going to give him next year.
5. Bruce Bowen - Hailed as this great defender, but is a career averager of 2.7rpg and .88spg. His defense is also very cheap, and has been accused many times of using illegally defending his opponent, though the refs always let him get away with it. Just watch a Spurs game and you can see on many occasions that Bruce Bowen does not legally guard his man.

Most Overrated Teams:

1. Pheonix Suns - Everyone is rating them way, way too high. They are a .500 team without Amare, and when he gets back he will most likely A) not be back to full health; and B) screw up what little chemistry they had made in the 4 months together without him. Also, they traded away their two best shooters....for a cup of coffee and an aging PF.
2. Miami Heat - This team is stacked way too high, and with players very unorthodox to Miami's past strategies. They will struggle at lot more than many people think and might wind up as low as 4th in the East.
3. Denver Nuggets - No shooting guard. No shooters at all really. Too many forwards. Why haven't they traded Nene for a shooting guard? C'mon Kiki! They'll be good, but not as good as people have predicted.

So, how about your lists?
Well, Voshon Lenard seems to be back into pretty good form so far. That was/is an experiment they're doing. Plus they have DeMarr Johnson who is a pretty good, versatile, athletic young player who can shoot the three. Also Greg Buckner, who is a good defender, and can shoot the three also. Not high quality Ray Allen's or Joe Johnson's or Michael Redd's, but they have a lot of depth for SGs. They're set there: Lenard/Buckner/DJ/Hodge/Boykins/Miller.

Peja driving to the basket is pretty consistent from what I've seen over the years. Should do it a bit more often though. I saw him improve off the dribble the last month 1/2 into the playoffs this past season. Hopefully that comes out more this year.

Bowen's very proven and good.
 
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Bowen's ability to shut down players gives the Spurs a huge advantage. He usually let's the Spurs take away another team's player that they've built a large part of their offense around which is something it's extremely difficult for a team to adjust to. Example Kings and Peja, Suns and Marion are generally totally taken away. Most of the time Bowen makes guys like Kobe and Allen inefficient scorers, often averageing more than a shot a point. Plus he's cheap (money-wise) and for a cost concious team you have to have impact players that play well above their salalry like Bowen, Ginobili and for that matter Duncan even though he gets the max.
 
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yeah, yeah that's all fine and good and you can refute my list (although I gave sound proof) but what I really want in this thread is your own list of overrated players...you dont have to go all out and explain it like I did if you dont want to
 
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Netguy115 said:
yeah, yeah that's all fine and good and you can refute my list (although I gave sound proof) but what I really want in this thread is your own list of overrated players...you dont have to go all out and explain it like I did if you dont want to
????

You started the thread. How people choose to respond to it is pretty much out of your hands. Such is the fate of many message board threads.

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VF21 said:
????

You started the thread. How people choose to respond to it is pretty much out of your hands. Such is the fate of many message board threads.

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exactly, I started the thread. Where I come from, people reply to threads as they want, unless the topic starter asks them to reply in a certain way. If I make a thread asking a question on a technical support board and ask for replies that include advice or an answer to my question, I don't want people putting up their own questions or just spamming.

As i wanted people posting their one lists (sure they can reply to mine...but thats not what this was intended for), like i said in the thread starter, not doing so is spam. And spam is, as in any forum, against the rules
 

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Dude, take a breath...

Where you come from????? Message board threads very rarely stay completely on topic. Your comparison to a technical support board is mixing apples and oranges since posting a specific question on a board of that type would not involve subjective responses, such as how people feel or think about something, which is exactly what you asked for here. If you want to totally restrict how people respond to threads, maybe you should start your own website... Around here, threads - with a few notable exceptions - are pretty much allowed to drift along on their own.

Just so you know - not responding to a thread you started in exactly the way you hoped isn't spam.
 
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bruce bowen is def. not overrated...its not like anyone ever claimed he was much of a scorer....basically, he is only heralded for his defense, which is certainly worthy of much praise

i def. agree with the tony parker rant tho...he does little to make anyone better and has zero perimeter game...what is worst is that he doesn't even fit the spurs mold of tough defenders...tony parker = overrated
 
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Explain to me what Parker's rating is, by who and how, and I'll tell you if I think he's overrated.

Problem with these ratings games is that you just pull some mythical "rating" out of the air wthout saying what it is. Another problem with rating is that 99% of people give token emphasis to a player's defensive ability while offense accounts for 95% of the value.
 
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Well, Tony gets his "top PG stuff" because he's really quick, great and versatile driving to the basket and finishing, tough to guard/stop. He's not a quality shooter, but he's not bad, he showed through-out the playoffs he can shoot the ball well.

Not from me, but being on the Spurs probably gets him praise also.

HoopsHype.com says he's one of the elite point guards. I don't think he's top five, but top eight or ten? Yeah.
 

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Tony Parker is also still young. Since PGs traditionally take several years before they truly hit their stride, I think he has room for improvement ... and I'm guessing the Spurs are banking that he'll do exactly that.

I would kill to have the balance and depth they have on their roster...

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Seriously.
 
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Not going to make a list, just don't feel like it. But I'll tell you what I think of this one.

Agree on Parker and Yao (Parker is young, he's got time to improve and has consistently done so). Don't agree on Peja and Bowen. Bowen does something that is very difficult to do, he defends one-on-one some the best athletes in the game. Sure he doesn't always steal the ball from them, but by disrupting the main offesnive weapon from the opposing team, he disrupts the whole offense, and does a decent job. Some call him cheap and thats fine, but whats cheap? Now, Peja is far from overrated at this point. He is still one of the better shooters in the game scores nearly 20 a game, and does it at a fairly reasonable contract rate. He doesn't have a max contract so I'm not going to hold him to that kind of expectation, when he does I might change my opinion.

For the teams, Miami might just make it work. They have a ton of talent and they only need most of it to play well to succeed. Odds are in their favor.
 
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Netguy115 said:
Most Overrated Players:

1. Tony Parker - His shot sucks, he not a great passer, he has basically no impact in the playoffs of last year except to pull off some great drives. Sure, he's a good penetrating for lay-ups guard but that's about it. He keeps sneaking into lists of "top 5 PG's" and "top this" and "top that" though extremely undeservedly.

5. Bruce Bowen - Hailed as this great defender, but is a career averager of 2.7rpg and .88spg. His defense is also very cheap, and has been accused many times of using illegally defending his opponent, though the refs always let him get away with it. Just watch a Spurs game and you can see on many occasions that Bruce Bowen does not legally guard his man.
Let's get this straight- Parker and Bowen are BOTH overrated, therefor...Duncan and Manu alone, 2 men, are what make the Spurs a dominant team and keep them contending? Or maybe it's all Nazr Mohammed. And keep in mind, when the Spurs won 3 years ago Manu wasn't playing at as high a level...so Duncan alone lifts the Spurs? Not buying it. If Garnett can't get his team to the playoffs, Duncan has got to be 10000 times better than him to win 2 rings with a bunch of scrubs. Who, buy the way, can still go toe-to-toe with anyone in the league sans Duncan (see game vs. Suns)...therefore...Manu Ginobli is the best player in the league for his ability to carry a bunch of underrated players to elite status.
 
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Let's get this straight- Parker and Bowen are BOTH overrated, therefor...Duncan and Manu alone, 2 men, are what make the Spurs a dominant team and keep them contending? Or maybe it's all Nazr Mohammed. And keep in mind, when the Spurs won 3 years ago Manu wasn't playing at as high a level...so Duncan alone lifts the Spurs? Not buying it. If Garnett can't get his team to the playoffs, Duncan has got to be 10000 times better than him to win 2 rings with a bunch of scrubs. Who, buy the way, can still go toe-to-toe with anyone in the league sans Duncan (see game vs. Suns)...therefore...Manu Ginobli is the best player in the league for his ability to carry a bunch of underrated players to elite status.
Not arguing for Parker and Bowen being over-rated, regarding the first two rings, is there somebody from that team that your might have forgotten....somebody named David Robinson?
 
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bibbyweb said:
Not arguing for Parker and Bowen being over-rated, regarding the first two rings, is there somebody from that team that your might have forgotten....somebody named David Robinson?
No. That was 99 and 03- how did the Spurs manage to stay dominant and win again in 05- maybe even get better- with a bunch of nobodies?
 
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No. That was 99 and 03- how did the Spurs manage to stay dominant and win again in 05- maybe even get better- with a bunch of nobodies?
I was only talking about the 2 rings that you mentioned. And those they got while he was still on the team.
 
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personally...Bowen might be UNDERrated.

Agree Kenyon Martin is overrated, same with 'Toine. Got a few others in mind but gotta wait until the season plays out for a while. I guess more of a "Big Let-Down" list to come...might be a few Kings on that list depending on how things go.

Hard to call anyone on the Spurs overrated, people seem to place a little too much importance on overall individual skill/stats on that team...their skills are complimentary to each other, only Manu and Duncan are truly extraordinary players. Bowen and Parker are perfect fits on that team though I'm sure Pop wishes Parker was a little better shooter. I'll take an entire team of "overrated" players if their skills compliment each other as well as the Spurs' do.
 
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Players: The 3 Amigos: Marburry, Francis, Iverson
They all play as if they were PGs, but in fact are overrated SGs. What they do individually is amazing. However, none of them appear to actualy have what it takes to lead their teams to victory on anything but a medeocre scale.

Teams: Miami. I wouldn't have said it if I hadn't just seen the stat line for the Pistons-Heat pre-season game. Without going too deep into it... same ol' Shaq-lead team. Perhaps even worse with J-Will and Walker (and I am a BIG Walker fan).
Suns. Last year was a fluke. It doesn't matter why it was a fluke, but it was a fluke. Amare is an AWESOME force when healthy, but that he may never be again. MICROFRACTURE SURGERY. Need I say more? Nash is AMAZING, but he is SO injurry prone. I think he will be finnished by mid-season.
Cavs: LeBron is very, VERY, VVEERRYY good. But anything above the 8th seed would SHOCK me. Not impossible, but I don't see them better than Det/Miami/Indy/Millwakee/NJ/Boston/Washington/Chicago.
NYK: Nope. Just nope. Nadda. Good bench though.
 
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