Miller Needs to Go!!!

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thesanityannex

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This team is no longer a princeton offense type team. Brad is the only one who fits the princeton system and he can't play outside of it. He is the odd man out. His rebounding is killing us and his defense sucks. Problem is though, who is out there to replace him? Too bad Jerome James still isn't available.
 
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wtf?

brad's been here longer than most guys on the team and he's shown he's a winner. Brad is averaging more RPG than SAR. Trade SAR.
 
SacTownKid

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Well, in a lot of ways I regretfully agree. Miller may need to go. Or at least the team needs to change to help in his areas of deficiency. Miller CAN'T be our last line of defense. Simple as that. Whether that means he goes or moves into another role is the question. He is a PF, not a C.
 
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uopmatt

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I've been saying this all season...

I totally agree with trading Brad Miller. When is he going to guard somebody. Comon, last night Brezec dominated him. All Miller can do is pass and shoot 15-20 footers. He can't play defense (too soft), doesn't block many shots, and for being a 7 footer doesn't rebound that well (although the fact that he's not athletic probably doesn't help). Every opposing teams center that comes in dominates us. Miller and Bibby are the 2 worst defenders on the team by far, but hey, they can sure shoot. I'm done with watching the kings trying to win by outscoring the other team. Last Night when Okafer went out, I thought we had that game. How can you loose to Charlotte without Knight and Okafer. I want to see them bring in some more guys like Bonzi, and Rahim who at least try to play some defense.
How about Miller for one of the Wallaces?
 
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thesanityannex

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BMiller52 said:
cool

wtf?

brad's been here longer than most guys on the team and he's shown he's a winner. Brad is averaging more RPG than SAR. Trade SAR.
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Brad is averaging about one rebound more, whoopty doo.



Trade SAR??? LMFAO. I've got nothing against Brad. But as this team moves more and more away from the Princeton, there is no use for a center who likes to shoot 18 foot jumpshots all day and not rebound. Brad should have more rebounds than SAR, he's a damn center, but 7.7 is just pathetic. Sad thing is, SAR avg's more blocks than Brad.
 
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DaKings

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So seniority should dictate if we should trade a player. I think millr had potential when Divac was around and ever since he left he has been horrible. I think we should package him and Bibby for someone else. Anybody at this point. I am tired of watching Bibby miss the game winning point and have Peja get the blame afterward.
 
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thesanityannex

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The style of play is changing for the Kings. Miller can ONLY thrive in the Princeton, where the rest of the team plays better outside of it. With the players Petrie has acquired, its obvious to me the Kings won't be rebuilding around Miller so he fits in better. I'd rather use him to acquire something for the rebuilding process.
 
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BMiller52

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lol brad had more than twice the boards SAR had last night. You're all like Brad sucks at rebounding etc etc well guess what SAR sucks at it even more? What makes this guy so untouchable? You need REBOUNDING from a PF, he'll either give you 10 or 2(he's pretty inconsistent at rebounding). And more often than not, it's not ten. Brad is averaging about 8 rebounds a game, reef gets 6 and a half(although in most games he doesn't even get 6 boards). If the problem you're referring to is rebounding than Brad's not the guy in our frontline who needs to go...
 
PFFFT!!

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talk all we want, its up to Petrie who he will deal. My best guess is to trade one of the so called "core 3" guys who has the most value. Sadly all lost value from last year and I dont know why. I reeeeeeally want Adelman to leave. Hard to believe that none of the 3 guys are really consistent. There has to be a problem somewhere, and thats Flatterman
 
PFFFT!!

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BMiller52 said:
lol brad had more than twice the boards SAR had last night. You're all like Brad sucks at rebounding etc etc well guess what SAR sucks at it even more? What makes this guy so untouchable? You need REBOUNDING from a PF, he'll either give you 10 or 2(he's pretty inconsistent at rebounding). And more often than not, it's not ten. Brad is averaging about 8 rebounds a game, reef gets 6 and a half(although in most games he doesn't even get 6 boards). If the problem you're referring to is rebounding than Brad's not the guy in our frontline who needs to go...
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Errr...I dont know, perhaps that SAR is cheaper and that hes a tad bit quicker, penetrates, and can play facing the basket? Whos to say :\
 
atxrocker

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thesanityannex said:
This team is no longer a princeton offense type team. Brad is the only one who fits the princeton system and he can't play outside of it. He is the odd man out. His rebounding is killing us and his defense sucks. Problem is though, who is out there to replace him? Too bad Jerome James still isn't available.
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I do agree he MAY have to go with his production and aggressiveness being down.. but I don't agree with getting JJ back.. this guy talked down about the organization and exaggerated about events for the media with the whole trash bag story. Plus, outside of his contract year last season has not proved to be a huge contributor.

 
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thesanityannex

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atxrocker said:
I do agree he MAY have to go with his production and aggressiveness being down.. but I don't agree with getting JJ back.. this guy talked down about the organization and exaggerated about events for the media with the whole trash bag story. Plus, outside of his contract year last season has not proved to be a huge contributor.
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the last part was a joke.
 
captain bill

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Miller should be a PF, we should get a true center who can play defense and dominate on the glass. SAR or Peja should be at SF (or Bonzi at SF, Peja at SG). Brad still gives us scoring, passing and rebounds at PF, and the new C makes up the deficit.

Problem is, those centers don't really exist. And the ones that do are completely out of our league. O'Neal (Jermaine and Shaq), Camby, Yao, Wallace...and then who? Bogut, Bosh, Frye, Chandler- all the young up and coming guys. What do these guys have in common? The Kings have no chance of getting them.

Take a look at the guys who average more rebounds than Miller at C. Miller averages 13.4 pts and 6.1 assists. Camby, JO, Shaq, Bosh, Yao and Okur average more points. JO and Bosh are the only guys close to Brad in assists- at 2.5. Passing is good. So there are 5 or 6 who can come close to bringing the whole package that Brad has. Granted, it's mostly on the offensive side of the ball, but at a certain point you have to be realistic.

Brad is ONE PART of the problem. There are 13 parts to this problem. Someone has to go, and if it is Brad, so be it. But each player (and the coach) brings their own set of pluses and minuses. If I were GM, I would listen to any offer for any player and go for whatever nets me the most talent. Singling out players to keep or to trade is stupid and really (if you were GM) would make putting together a great team that much harder.
 
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thesanityannex

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BMiller52 said:
lol brad had more than twice the boards SAR had last night.
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You are making this too easy for me. Yes, Brad had twelve rebounds to SAR's 5. But guess what???? SAR had 32 points to Brad's 8:eek:I'll take a 32 & 5 night to a 8 & 12 night any day.
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You're all like Brad sucks at rebounding etc etc well guess what SAR sucks at it even more? What makes this guy so untouchable? You need REBOUNDING from a PF, he'll either give you 10 or 2(he's pretty inconsistent at rebounding). And more often than not, it's not ten. Brad is averaging about 8 rebounds a game, reef gets 6 and a half(although in most games he doesn't even get 6 boards).
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Brad and SAR both suck at rebounding. Problem is Brad is a CENTER:eek: who's main job is to :eek: Rebound and Block Shots and Stop Penetration, which he does none of. Brad is not averaging 8 rebounds per game, he's averaging 7.7 to SAR's 6.5. How does a 7 footer only avg a half block a game??? If SAR doesn't usually get 6 boards in most games as you said, how is it possible he averages 6.5? That doesn't seem mathematically possible.
 
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thesanityannex

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captain bill said:
. If I were GM, I would listen to any offer for any player and go for whatever nets me the most talent. Singling out players to keep or to trade is stupid and really (if you were GM) would make putting together a great team that much harder.
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We already have talent on this team. Talent doesn't win games, cohesiveness does.
 
ForlornKing

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You guys say this now, but you guys will really miss his passing.


JUST like Christie, Webb, and Vlade.

The only way Miller goes, is if the players that learned to play off him go also.
 
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thesanityannex

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ForlornKing said:
You guys say this now, but you guys will really miss his passing.


JUST like Christie, Webb, and Vlade.

The only way Miller goes, is if the players that learned to play off him go also.
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nah, that system is going going gone.
 
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Smart_guy3 said:
I know everyone is gonna get pissed off at me, IMO I think Bibby needs to go.
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I agree. Hes the first on my list to go out of the core-3. opponent PG's have career nights against us and he gets smoked by Chaucy Billups of all people.
 
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Smart_guy3

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PFFFT!! said:
I agree. Hes the first on my list to go out of the core-3. opponent PG's have career nights against us and he gets smoked by Chaucy Billups of all people.
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His defense has always been a Issue but I'm not sure if we need Bibby, anymore I won't mind if we can package him for a good caliber player or a All-star I think we need to start thinking about the main problem.
 
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Stojakovic

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ForlornKing said:
You guys say this now, but you guys will really miss his passing.


JUST like Christie, Webb, and Vlade.

The only way Miller goes, is if the players that learned to play off him go also.
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Ahh...what passing ? In case you haven't noticed, Bibby is not exactly a great playmaker.
 
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thesanityannex

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Smart_guy3 said:
His defense has always been a Issue but I'm not sure if we need Bibby, anymore I won't mind if we can package him for a good caliber player or a All-star I think we need to start thinking about the main problem.
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yep, he's our main problem, the only clutch guy here, send him away.


can we please keep this about miller? you can always start your own bibby needs to go thread if thats how you feel. i started this to get people's opinions on brad, not mike.
 
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BMiller52

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thesanityannex said:
You are making this too easy for me. Yes, Brad had twelve rebounds to SAR's 5. But guess what???? SAR had 32 points to Brad's 8:eek:I'll take a 32 & 5 night to a 8 & 12 night any day. Brad and SAR both suck at rebounding. Problem is Brad is a CENTER:eek: who's main job is to :eek: Rebound and Block Shots and Stop Penetration, which he does none of. Brad is not averaging 8 rebounds per game, he's averaging 7.7 to SAR's 6.5. How does a 7 footer only avg a half block a game??? If SAR doesn't usually get 6 boards in most games as you said, how is it possible he averages 6.5? That doesn't seem mathematically possible.
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Yeah, but SAR's not gonna have a 32 point night every game. He averages like 15 points. I KNOW he's had a lot of 2-4 rebound games. Brad isn't really a center, he's a PF playing center cuz he's like 6 11. He should be playing PF. Wonder if we could get magloire...
 
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CaminoChaos

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It's hard to replace a center of Millers caliber but when I looked it up I think Miller is giving up close to 20 points a game against argueably the worst position in the league.
 
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