Mike Malone ... Nuggets Coach

This seems so bizarre. How does Malone fit in there? How does Pete and Malone end up on the same team? I heard Grant briefly today saying how PDA knifed Malone in the back. Also how no one in the Kings organization liked PDA and where very happy he was no longer there. If you where into conspiracy's you could say PDA just took the job to sabotage us by stealing our coach, trading away some of our talent, screwing up out draft picks and destroying our nice start to the season. Then go back to Denver as if nothing had happened to work with the guy who he pretended not to like. At least we have a draft pick.
 
Siranthony said:
This seems so bizarre. How does Malone fit in there? How does Pete and Malone end up on the same team? I heard Grant briefly today saying how PDA knifed Malone in the back. Also how no one in the Kings organization liked PDA and where very happy he was no longer there. If you where into conspiracy's you could say PDA just took the job to sabotage us by stealing our coach, trading away some of our talent, screwing up out draft picks and destroying our nice start to the season. Then go back to Denver as if nothing had happened to work with the guy who he pretended not to like. At least we have a draft pick.
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I can't trust that narrative, or any narrative at all. I have no opinion on the topic. But keep in mind that placing all of the blame on PDA makes it easy for everyone, especially Vivek if he was involved in the firing of Michael Malone. And I'm O.K. with that even if that is the truth, because it ends the story and allows us to focus on basketball rather than a front office soap opera.
 
sactownfan said:
Drop all the drama and how poorly Malone was handled (Malone was disrespected).... in the end....WE HAVE A BETTER COACH BY FAR.... Malone will be forgotten all together in 20 years... Karl will be a HOF coach and never forgotten.... simple as that ....

Karl is WAAAAY better.... and WE ARE WAAAAAY better off with him..... Mike is a great guy and I wish him the best. I'm sure he will be good... I just don't expect greatness from him... He's very limited in creativity.
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You are incorrect. I think Malone will prove that. You don't need to be innovative to be successful. Tried and true methods in basketball are tried and true for a reason. Running a system that fits your talent even more so.

Blatt won 16 European titles. He runs ISO through Lebron every chance he gets. Is Blatt limited in creativity too?

Malone is an up and coming coaching star, in high demand around the league. That the kings fired him is a black mark on the kings and no reflection of Malone's coaching ability. Some of you really want/need to believe Malone couldn't coach. That Malone immediately found another job shows how badly we ****ed up. No franchises ran out to get smart, Westphal, musselman or Theus as head coach. In fact it's been years and none of them have resurfaced as head coaches.

In fact, no one was really looking at Karl either until we showed up.

Arm chair fans ranted throughout every game thread, acting like Malone was holding us back, like we were a championship caliber team that needed a change. If only rotations were better, they said. It was absurd then, it's absurd now, and the absurdity of it all was proven when Corbin couldn't get this team within 15 games of .500.

That description (up and coming coaching star) fit Karl 20 years ago. Let's not forget, he'd been available for a year or more when he started begging for a job through social media and wearing purple ties. The reason, he's the worst playoff coach of the last 25 years. And it's not even close. And he's got a huge destructive ego despite that fact. Karl maximizes low talent teams, inflating regular season win totals, and then when the playoffs arrive, his style fails. CONSISTENTLY.

His playoff failures are why "hall of fame coach" George Karl isn't actually in the hall of fame yet.

If you want fluffy regular season wins (which, for this franchise sounds pretty darn good), then we have our guy. Sure, he may have boogie begging to leave by the all star break, but, I'm certain we will win more games. More than the pace Malone was on prior to Boogie's injury? We will see.

People still clinging to this thought Malone was really a bad coach and we are so much better off are pretty delusional. We had a good thing starting here and set it on fire. Karl might be here 2 years, drive Boogie out of town, then a work stoppage, and then he's gone off into the sunset and we will need another coach and another star, while Malone could very well reach his potential in Denver and be coaching many many years after Karl has retired.

Firing Malone may very well prove to be the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made.
 
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lol we're acting like regular season wins are chopped liver.

I know it's obvious but you need to win games in the regular season to get into the playoffs.

I think Malone is going to be a good coach, great coach? hmm don't know, good coach definitely. Someone who will be taking a team to the playoffs I think.
 
Did anybody catch Grant yesterday? He absolutely shredded Pete calling him the master of "spin" among other things. While all that may be true, it's annoying to me how Grant always does this once people leave the franchise. He extremely PC while they are here.
 
Albatros said:
lol we're acting like regular season wins are chopped liver.

I know it's obvious but you need to win games in the regular season to get into the playoffs.

I think Malone is going to be a good coach, great coach? hmm don't know, good coach definitely. Someone who will be taking a team to the playoffs I think.
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Do you think it's fair to declare Malone not a great coach after barely a season with the awful roster he was handed and his FO deliberately sabotaging him by forcing Royce white, Sim Bhullar (among other d league castoffs) and 48 mpg of Ray mccallum on him? Losing Reke and IT for nothing and giving him a couple kids that can't play as replacements and then demanding wins?

Let's not act like the guy was here five seasons. We really don't even know what kind of coach he'll become. He never had a chance here. The brief moments he had full health were, by Kings standards, wildly successful.

Karl will will almost definitely never be any better than he's already been. And he's more out of touch with today's player than he's ever been.

The fact he immediately opens his mouth and says no one is untradeable? Red flags everywhere. That's EXACTLY why Boogie's agents didn't want him, and right on cue, big mouth delivers.

The ONLY chance this franchise has of relevancy in the next decade is Demarcus Cousins. We had a coach he loved. That was 75% of Malone's job, to get his star on board. Karl has already furthered the alienation of Cousins that PDA/Mully continued after the first three disastrous seasons. And the clock is ticking loudly already on Karl. We've got a work stoppage very likely in year four of his contract. Year 1 is already over. That leaves two years to dazzle with a roster severely hampered by years of bad draft picks and bad contracts.

It's going to be a short ride with Karl and then what? Has anyone thought beyond 2016/2017?
 
Chubbs said:
Do you think it's fair to declare Malone not a great coach after barely a season with the awful roster he was handed and his FO deliberately sabotaging him by forcing Royce white, Sim Bhullar (among other d league castoffs) and 48 mpg of Ray mccallum on him? Losing Reke and IT for nothing and giving him a couple kids that can't play as replacements and then demanding wins?

Let's not act like the guy was here five seasons. We really don't even know what kind of coach he'll become. He never had a chance here. The brief moments he had full health were, by Kings standards, wildly successful.

Karl will will almost definitely never be any better than he's already been. And he's more out of touch with today's player than he's ever been.

The fact he immediately opens his mouth and says no one is untradeable? Red flags everywhere. That's EXACTLY why Boogie's agents didn't want him, and right on cue, big mouth delivers.

The ONLY chance this franchise has of relevancy in the next decade is Demarcus Cousins. We had a coach he loved. That was 75% of Malone's job, to get his star on board. Karl has already furthered the alienation of Cousins that PDA/Mully continued after the first three disastrous seasons. And the clock is ticking loudly already on Karl. We've got a work stoppage very likely in year four of his contract. Year 1 is already over. That leaves two years to dazzle with a roster severely hampered by years of bad draft picks and bad contracts.

It's going to be a short ride with Karl and then what? Has anyone thought beyond 2016/2017?
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the person who thought beyond 2016/17 is gone to denver.
 
Chubbs said:
And the clock is ticking loudly already on Karl. We've got a work stoppage very likely in year four of his contract. Year 1 is already over. That leaves two years to dazzle with a roster severely hampered by years of bad draft picks and bad contracts.

It's going to be a short ride with Karl and then what? Has anyone thought beyond 2016/2017?
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Really you should ask if anyone has thought beyond 2017/2018, because as long as that season happens, we have a coach. That means we're currently "rudderless" for the 2018/2019 season. Of course, we currently have zero players under contract for the 2018/2019 season. Also, that season starts 3 years and 4 months from now. Of the 30 NBA teams, only 7 have the same coach they did 3 years and 4 months ago. Let's not create a crisis where there isn't one.
 
lawlman91 said:
I can't trust that narrative, or any narrative at all. I have no opinion on the topic. But keep in mind that placing all of the blame on PDA makes it easy for everyone, especially Vivek if he was involved in the firing of Michael Malone. And I'm O.K. with that even if that is the truth, because it ends the story and allows us to focus on basketball rather than a front office soap opera.
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Yep, I've heard too much both ways to know for sure what happened. All is know is that with PDA gone, we are now going to see what kind of person Vivek actually is.
 
Chubbs said:
You are incorrect. I think Malone will prove that. You don't need to be innovative to be successful. Tried and true methods in basketball are tried and true for a reason. Running a system that fits your talent even more so.

Blatt won 16 European titles. He runs ISO through Lebron every chance he gets. Is Blatt limited in creativity too?

Malone is an up and coming coaching star, in high demand around the league. That the kings fired him is a black mark on the kings and no reflection of Malone's coaching ability. Some of you really want/need to believe Malone couldn't coach. That Malone immediately found another job shows how badly we ****ed up. No franchises ran out to get smart, Westphal, musselman or Theus as head coach. In fact it's been years and none of them have resurfaced as head coaches.

In fact, no one was really looking at Karl either until we showed up.

Arm chair fans ranted throughout every game thread, acting like Malone was holding us back, like we were a championship caliber team that needed a change. If only rotations were better, they said. It was absurd then, it's absurd now, and the absurdity of it all was proven when Corbin couldn't get this team within 15 games of .500.

That description (up and coming coaching star) fit Karl 20 years ago. Let's not forget, he'd been available for a year or more when he started begging for a job through social media and wearing purple ties. The reason, he's the worst playoff coach of the last 25 years. And it's not even close. And he's got a huge destructive ego despite that fact. Karl maximizes low talent teams, inflating regular season win totals, and then when the playoffs arrive, his style fails. CONSISTENTLY.

His playoff failures are why "hall of fame coach" George Karl isn't actually in the hall of fame yet.

If you want fluffy regular season wins (which, for this franchise sounds pretty darn good), then we have our guy. Sure, he may have boogie begging to leave by the all star break, but, I'm certain we will win more games. More than the pace Malone was on prior to Boogie's injury? We will see.

People still clinging to this thought Malone was really a bad coach and we are so much better off are pretty delusional. We had a good thing starting here and set it on fire. Karl might be here 2 years, drive Boogie out of town, then a work stoppage, and then he's gone off into the sunset and we will need another coach and another star, while Malone could very well reach his potential in Denver and be coaching many many years after Karl has retired.

Firing Malone may very well prove to be the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made.
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I agree with you on Malone...terrible, terrible decision. Are there people here who thought that firing him was a good idea? I'm not talking about people who whined about his decisions on substitutions or timeouts or whatever...I'm talking about people who actually thought we needed to dump him. I'm not sure there are.

Don't know about Karl yet, but I'll be perfectly happy for a while if we have a team that gets to the playoffs regularly.
 
ninjabiscuit said:
I agree with you on Malone...terrible, terrible decision. Are there people here who thought that firing him was a good idea? I'm not talking about people who whined about his decisions on substitutions or timeouts or whatever...I'm talking about people who actually thought we needed to dump him. I'm not sure there are.

Don't know about Karl yet, but I'll be perfectly happy for a while if we have a team that gets to the playoffs regularly.
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No, perhaps there weren't people calling for him to be fired, although there were certainly people after the fact that used those very game threads as ammunition for why it was a good idea. Even PDA alluded to "hearing the fans" about Malone.

I hear you about Karl. I'm not against the regular seasons wins. Been awhile.

But if it costs us Boogie in the process...
 
Congratulations to coach Malone. I actually like him, especially his ability to get our guys into playing defense. But teams do not get to the top by just playing great defense. And I hope he learned enough lessons early in his career. Yes, defense wins championships - but only when you play with great and versatile offense too. In other words, winning basketball is not just playing great DEFENSE like he naively thinks it is. He just needed to look at where Chicago Bulls and the Grizzlies are now. Both great defensive teams with great post up players and good players, but did not have the chance to play in the finals of their respective conference. You need to preach and institute both great defense and great offense to achieve success in basketball.
 
Chubbs said:
But if it costs us Boogie in the process...
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It's funny, because in another thread, I asked "Can Boogie force a trade, now that his favorite coach has a team?" The answer I got was no, because he's under contract for a while, and any attempt to acquire him would be tampering. So it seems like one of you is wrong, and I need to figure out which. :)
 
Albatros said:
But I thought he would never work with PDA again and he'd have come back to the Kings in an instant if PDA was removed.

That narrative has taken a hit.
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This is why you don't believe all these media people who blurt out things as if they know what is really happening. These media people write articles as if they are married to Malone or PDA to know what is really happening inside their mind, or as if they sleep with them every night and dine with them on the dinner table every day to know exactly what is going on, or that they have this extra-ordinary power to get inside Malone's and PDA's mind to know the truth. And when they are proven wrong, they change their tune and blurt excuses as to why what they've been saying all along did not hold true.

These media people are nothing more than just commentators (like us fans) with a tad bit of knowledge of what is going on. But think deeply, you'll know they are mere glorified makers of conspiracy theories or glorified rumor-mongers.
 
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Chubbs said:
Do you think it's fair to declare Malone not a great coach after barely a season with the awful roster he was handed and his FO deliberately sabotaging him by forcing Royce white, Sim Bhullar (among other d league castoffs) and 48 mpg of Ray mccallum on him? Losing Reke and IT for nothing and giving him a couple kids that can't play as replacements and then demanding wins?

Let's not act like the guy was here five seasons. We really don't even know what kind of coach he'll become. He never had a chance here. The brief moments he had full health were, by Kings standards, wildly successful.

Karl will will almost definitely never be any better than he's already been. And he's more out of touch with today's player than he's ever been.

The fact he immediately opens his mouth and says no one is untradeable? Red flags everywhere. That's EXACTLY why Boogie's agents didn't want him, and right on cue, big mouth delivers.

The ONLY chance this franchise has of relevancy in the next decade is Demarcus Cousins. We had a coach he loved. That was 75% of Malone's job, to get his star on board. Karl has already furthered the alienation of Cousins that PDA/Mully continued after the first three disastrous seasons. And the clock is ticking loudly already on Karl. We've got a work stoppage very likely in year four of his contract. Year 1 is already over. That leaves two years to dazzle with a roster severely hampered by years of bad draft picks and bad contracts.

It's going to be a short ride with Karl and then what? Has anyone thought beyond 2016/2017?
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I didn't say he wasn't or couldn't be a great coach, I just personally don't see him reaching that level, but as you're alluding too a lot of it is about personnel and situation.
 
Bricklayer said:
Karl was a nobody at the same age. And there is a good chance Mike Malone has more wins left in him in this league than George Karl does.
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Yeah I seriously doubt that...


Chubbs said:
You are incorrect. You don't need to be innovative to be successful. Tried and true methods in basketball are tried and true for a reason. Running a system that fits your talent even more so.

David Blatt won 16 European titles. He runs ISO through Lebron every chance he gets. Is Blatt limited in creativity too?

Malone is an up and coming coaching star, in high demand around the league.

His playoff failures are why "hall of fame coach" George Karl isn't actually in the hall of fame yet.
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Blast can do whatever he wants... he has Lebron James and honestly not much else right now so using his ISO's with James as and example is a joke. Thats actually their only hope right now. ..

Umm up and coming star? lol! He's proved nothing yet other than his players enjoyed him and he's a great guy. With Cousins on the floor we had enough talent to play as well as we did to open the season regardless who was coaching... Collision (healthy), Cousins, Gay, a sorta defensive guy in JT, plus a much improved Ben was one of the top 5 man rotations in the whole league...Thats on talent alone....lets be honest Cousins is just that good... Ben was bound to improve off of that terrible 1st year... Cousins gets better every year. The addition of Collision made everyone better as he is a more pass first guy...Gay is just plain better and more efficient with a dominate big man like Cousins (SAC/MEM).

Malone was horrible at setting up plays... we were one of the worst teams coming off timeouts. We were also horrible in spacing and movement without the ball due to a total lack of creativity and offensive understanding... His substitutions were highly questionable as well, leaving Cousins out too long or better yet leaving Gay and Cousins out together too long...

HERES a couple of key reasons why Malone will never be as good as Karl...

Karl was a star player at a high level college (unlike Malone)... UNC... He was also drafted and played professionally at the highest level (unlike malone). He was the first draft pick of the Spurs lol!

The argument keeps getting made that Karl lost the first few seasons he coached... well before his NBA career even started Karl was the (CBA) head coach of the Montana Golden Nuggets. As coach of the Golden Nuggets, KARL WON COACH OF THE YEAR twice, in 1981 and 1983....

So to say he didn't have substantial success yet is totally incorrect.

Also while he didn't have a winning recored his first year in the NBA as a head coach HIS TEAM MADE THE PLAYOFFS!!!

At his next coaching job in the FIRST year HIS TEAM MADE THE PLAYOFFS...

84-85 MADE THE PLAYOFFS (his 1st year in the NBA)
85-86 missed (fired)
86-87 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
87-88 missed (fired)
88-89 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
89-90 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
90-91 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
91-92 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
92-93 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
93-94 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
94-95 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
95-96 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
96-97 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
97-98 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
98-99 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
99-00 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
00-01 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
01-02 (missed)
02-03 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
03-04 (didn't coach)
04-05 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
05-06 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
06-07 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
07-08 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
08-09 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
09-10 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
10-11 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
11-12 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
12-13 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
13-14 (didn't coach)
14-15 (became head coach of SACRAMENTO)

Achievements: (other than basically making the playoffs every single year he's been a coach)

USA National team coach 2002
Coach of the year.... CBA 1981 and 1983 ...NBA 2013
Coached the ALL-STAR TEAM 1994, 1996, 1998, 2010

ANY ONE SAYING KARL WAS A MISTAKE AND MALONE IS OR EVEN COULD BE BETTER NEEDS A HISTORY LESSON OF THE NBA.
 
LOL! one last thing about Karl... at this moment i'll take just making the playoffs which is WHAT HE DOES.... while Karl might not have ever won a title.... how many HOF coaches or HOF players didn't win titles.... its not easy... and just like all the greats in every sport that never won a title you can't let that define what is otherwise undeniable greatness
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Eh, I don't think that it's fair to say that Malone can't coach an uptempo style; it hasn't actually been proven that he can't. A big part of the problem he had here was that management wanted to run an uptempo style, but management failed to realize that they didn't actually acquire uptempo players. Malone took a good look at the hand he was dealt, and said, "Hey, man, that uptempo thing you want me to do? I can't do that with these guys, but I can make this other thing work!"

The Nuggets, unlike the Kings, are entirely suited to playing uptempo; we shall see whether or not Malone can make it work.
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malone's presser with the nuggets seems to indicate that you're exactly right:

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...to-bridge-past-and-future-with-michael-malone
 
Chubbs said:
Do you think it's fair to declare Malone not a great coach after barely a season with the awful roster he was handed and his FO deliberately sabotaging him by forcing Royce white, Sim Bhullar (among other d league castoffs) and 48 mpg of Ray mccallum on him? Losing Reke and IT for nothing and giving him a couple kids that can't play as replacements and then demanding wins?

Let's not act like the guy was here five seasons. We really don't even know what kind of coach he'll become. He never had a chance here. The brief moments he had full health were, by Kings standards, wildly successful.

Karl will will almost definitely never be any better than he's already been. And he's more out of touch with today's player than he's ever been.

The fact he immediately opens his mouth and says no one is untradeable? Red flags everywhere. That's EXACTLY why Boogie's agents didn't want him, and right on cue, big mouth delivers.

The ONLY chance this franchise has of relevancy in the next decade is Demarcus Cousins. We had a coach he loved. That was 75% of Malone's job, to get his star on board. Karl has already furthered the alienation of Cousins that PDA/Mully continued after the first three disastrous seasons. And the clock is ticking loudly already on Karl. We've got a work stoppage very likely in year four of his contract. Year 1 is already over. That leaves two years to dazzle with a roster severely hampered by years of bad draft picks and bad contracts.

It's going to be a short ride with Karl and then what? Has anyone thought beyond 2016/2017?
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Agreed. We had buy-in and a fairytale happening. We had a solid path to the future, albeit a few tweaks here and there, and we blew it. George Karl is good, but he's old. He won't be here for long, and he talks about how he thinks the post-up is outdated. I find it believable that he and DMC lack communication between one another. It can work out, and has the potential to, and I hope it does. But we're in a worse situation than we were in mid December.
 
Albatros said:
Hardwood Paroxysm‏@HPbasketball
Malone sold me today by talking about pace and the importance of efficiency within its context.
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Now, let us not talk about PACE.

Remember, we got lectured a month ago with all examples from previous winning teams in the NBA year after year that PACE has nothing to do with winning?

So, why the hell these NBA experts (and even the favorite coach in this board named Malone) and/or everybody in the NBA talking about this so-called PACE which seemingly is an important recipe to winning, but considered taboo in this board?
 
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Prince_XY said:
Now, let us not talk about PACE.

Remember, we got lectured a month ago with all examples from previous winning teams year after year that PACE has nothing to do with winning?

So, why the hell these NBA experts (and even the favorite coach in this board named Malone) and/or everybody in the NBA talking about this so-called PACE which seemingly is an important recipe to winning, but considered taboo in this board?
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Wait, so you're telling me that pace is actually important? Next thing you'll do is tell me that the teams in the Finals are playing position-less basketball LOL. Wait..what? They are?

Curry
Thompson
Barnes
Iguodala
Green

James
James
James
James
Thompson

oh ok.
 
A few things:

1) Malone may become many things in the NBA in the future, and I'm loathe to be agreeing with Prince_XY on anything, but when Malone was here, his limitations were certainly discovered before The End came.
His offensive ineptitude, playcalling, and sub patterns were screamed about every game thread.
I was calling for him to get offensive help, instead of all the decisions having to come from Malone. Instead he was fired, and much of the team was lost. Talk about cutting off your head to spite your face.
So let's not retcon things and say he was this shining example of coaching here. He showed a lot of promise, and he shouldn't have been fired, but the gist of what sactownfan is saying is effectively correct.

That said, Brick and others are also correct that Karl may well prove to be worse for the Kings very soon.

2) Denver is the one place where playing with pace means something.
Denver's mile-high elevation means if they don't push the pace and try to tire out the opposition who hasn't acclimated to the oxygen levels at that elevation, then they are giving up their one unique competitive advantage in the NBA.

3) Malone may be sensing the cosmic irony of the situation that he was fired for pace, and is now going to be forced by circumstances to specialize in it.

4)
There's a thin line between a collaborative environment like the one Golden State currently enjoys, and one that is alleged to have "too many cooks in the kitchen" as the Nuggets are often rumored to be.
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Is anyone else baffled at this Denver move?
How much of this entire situation looks EXACTLY like Sacramento 2 years ago?
Did Denver watch Sac at all the past 2 years?

This Denver situation has the earmarks of being one of the most collosal f-ups in NBA history, if they watched Sacramento's f-ups and said - na, let's repeat what made Vivek the most mocked owner in the NBA.
 
Talent is more important than pace. Defense is more important than pace. Pace is important for your team if its designed to run. Good coaches will adopt to what your team is best suited to do. Malone had this team playing as well as you can and with the style that best suited the roster. George Karl has adjusted his teams to his roster, just like most coaches. Malone just happened to have his GM and team consultant working against him almost from the start.....and he still had the team playing well in the second year. He had them playing hard and that is a skill in itself. Many coaches do not have that ability to get the most out of their team.
 
Prince_XY said:
Now, let us not talk about PACE.

Remember, we got lectured a month ago with all examples from previous winning teams in the NBA year after year that PACE has nothing to do with winning?

So, why the hell these NBA experts (and even the favorite coach in this board named Malone) and/or everybody in the NBA talking about this so-called PACE which seemingly is an important recipe to winning, but considered taboo in this board?
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He didn't prostrate at the feet of Pace-sama. He talked about it in the context of efficiency. Pace is good only if you can use it to your advantage, and if it allows you to be efficient. Malone said it himself: he played to our roster's strength and got off to a good start, with or without Pace. This applies to "pace" in general.

If we're talking about the statistical pace, there is no correlation between pace and wins. That is a fact.
 
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