Matt Barnes discussion thread...

[KingsChamps06]

Not a good defender! yea right...And he is a solid rebounder by the way

 

[hoops4kings]

If Barnes' shot has gotten better then I'm all for him coming back. He really hustles and could become a solid player. Likeable guy and he wants to be a KING. Good enough for me. I don't see many big men floating around, so barring a trade for one I'd welcome Matt back.

 

[KingsChamps06]

Matt is very solid, and I would not mind seeing him in sac...But as far as him being better than corliss, I dont know about that one...If he can shot his free throws better than 60% that he has done last year than I would like to see him as a king...FYI corliss shot 82% from the free throw line last year...

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Not a good defender! yea right...And he is a solid rebounder by the way

He isn't a good defender man, he's not athletic, he's slow, Barnes is a better defender & rebounder then him, and can pass and dribble, I would much rather have Barnes playing the 15-20 every night.

 

[Kings113]

Kenny Thomas could pass pretty well with us.

Thats just your opinion based pretty much on nothing. If Corliss was to be shipped he would have gone by now, same goes for Thomas.

From everything we are hearing out of the Kings camp lately, its pretty much that they are happy with the roster we have and there won't be any more big moves.

I fully expect Thomas, Williamson and Skinner at the training camp. As things stand right now, we have one of the deepes (if not the deepest) benches in the whole league. If any of these players gets traded it going to be at the trade deadline. Not before.

-No, it's prediction and speculation. That's why there are message boards and discussion.

-Yeah, and there's two months plus left in the off-season .

-Well based on this thing with Songaila, and from todays Evans and Barnes articles, I think there's another trade, and another signing. At least one of the two.

With Barnes in mind, I'd be surprised if all three Philly guys stay (aka Corliss). Even in general. If Barnes goes to the Spurs or somewhere else, then that means all three would probably stay.

 

[Warhawk]

Well, we only have 12 undr contract, need to have 13. So there is one more slot we HAVE to fill. Might as well be Matt.

Now that said, we'd be just stupid to enter next season with a team this bereft of true big men. Sampson has been cut by three different teams, including an expansion team last year. Given how injury prone both Brad and Brian are, is Sampson actualy capable of being a major player forn us during stretches? Or are we counting on Corliss as a backup center again?

No, I understand that, but wouldn't we have to pay him the vet's minimum right now? I just doubt they will pay him that much. I think they'd rather try to find a way to go larger (I agree with your comments). I'd like to see Matt on the bench, I just doubt it will happen....

 

[VF21]

No, I understand that, but wouldn't we have to pay him the vet's minimum right now? I just doubt they will pay him that much. I think they'd rather try to find a way to go larger (I agree with your comments). I'd like to see Matt on the bench, I just doubt it will happen....

That much? The vet's minimum is chump change. The only way to go cheaper is to hire someone who didn't get drafted and is sitting at home playing Nintendo.

I think signing Matt would be a very wise decision on Petrie's part and it would do wonders for the home town crowd.

BRING BACK BARNES!!!!!

 

[ParniValjak]

Kenny Thomas could pass pretty well with us.



-No, it's prediction and speculation. That's why there are message boards and discussion.

-Yeah, and there's two months plus left in the off-season .

-Well based on this thing with Songaila, and from todays Evans and Barnes articles, I think there's another trade, and another signing. At least one of the two.

With Barnes in mind, I'd be surprised if all three Philly guys stay (aka Corliss). Even in general. If Barnes goes to the Spurs or somewhere else, then that means all three would probably stay.

You are saying as it WILL happen rather than it might happen. Big difference.

Everything coming out of the Kings is that the roster is pretty much set. If they trade Songaila, they don't want players in return. That pretty much tells us we don't want any more contracts.

What you hope will happen is different to what will happen. None of us know whether or not this is the roster we are starting season with. You think that its just about a certainty that Williamson and Thomas won't be here. I am not so sure. Personally, I think that Thomas is the one that is more likely to stay because both Petie and Adelman have expressed their opinions on how well Thomas could fit into our system and they like him as a player. That doesn't sound like someone who is trying to get rid of Thomas. In fact, it pretty much sounds like they want to keep him.

Its also a evident that players generally play better basketball and have better numbers when they are in Sacramento. It makes some sense for Kings to keep these players around, give them some solid minutes so they prove themselves and somewhat increase their trade value.

Its different what we as fans think this team needs and its different what GP and RA think this team needs. They might not be the same things and from the sound of things, both GP and RA are happy with how things stand now.

People carry on like Corliss is useless. He is a decent player who just happens to be a 6th man of the year winner.

 

[ParniValjak]

Well, we only have 12 undr contract, need to have 13. So there is one more slot we HAVE to fill. Might as well be Matt.

Now that said, we'd be just stupid to enter next season with a team this bereft of true big men. Sampson has been cut by three different teams, including an expansion team last year. Given how injury prone both Brad and Brian are, is Sampson actualy capable of being a major player forn us during stretches? Or are we counting on Corliss as a backup center again?

Actually, we have 13 under contract.

Bibby, Bonzi, Peja, SAR, Miller, Hart, Martin, Corliss, Thomas, Skinner, Price, Garcia and Sampson. Thats 13 players. Some of those contracts might not be guaranteed but still as of right now we have 13 players that are signed up.

It makes sense for GP to wait until training camp to finalize his roster if he wants to make some minor changes.

I do agree that we should be looking for another back up C because we can't rely on Sampson. However, Sampson might prove to be good enough. Sure he has been cut by a number of teams before but we sometimes forget that that one man's rubbish is another man's treasure. Pollard got waived by Atlanta before he signed on with us and he has been a very good player for us before he got traded. Maybe Sampson proves to be a valuable back up along similar lines.

 

[Gilles]

I wonder why people keep saying that Corliss is not a good defender and want at the same time to put Kenny at SF. Maybe Kenny is a bit quicker than Corliss but he NEVER played SF in his entire NBA career. And on offense most SF will take away his first step and contest jump-shots so his effectiveness will be very limited. Well guys like T-Mac or Pierce will kill Corliss(this is a situation where Barnes is useful) but at least he will punish them on the other end. And when you play teams with role players at SF Corliss doesn't hurt Kings defensively and can put points. Though Petrie should trade Corliss if the right big man will be available.
P.S. Yesterday I checked Kings' history with Jeoff and Corliss for Doug trade was made on 29th September so with Petrie you never know whether your off-season is done or not.

 

[Kings113]

You are saying as it WILL happen rather than it might happen. Big difference.

Everything coming out of the Kings is that the roster is pretty much set. If they trade Songaila, they don't want players in return. That pretty much tells us we don't want any more contracts.

What you hope will happen is different to what will happen. None of us know whether or not this is the roster we are starting season with. You think that its just about a certainty that Williamson and Thomas won't be here. I am not so sure. Personally, I think that Thomas is the one that is more likely to stay because both Petie and Adelman have expressed their opinions on how well Thomas could fit into our system and they like him as a player. That doesn't sound like someone who is trying to get rid of Thomas. In fact, it pretty much sounds like they want to keep him.

Its also a evident that players generally play better basketball and have better numbers when they are in Sacramento. It makes some sense for Kings to keep these players around, give them some solid minutes so they prove themselves and somewhat increase their trade value.

Its different what we as fans think this team needs and its different what GP and RA think this team needs. They might not be the same things and from the sound of things, both GP and RA are happy with how things stand now.

People carry on like Corliss is useless. He is a decent player who just happens to be a 6th man of the year winner.

-Yeah, like I said, prediction and speculation.

-I never said "hope", nor did I have any of that intent in my posts in this thread.

-I don't think it's a certainity Thomas is gone at all. Yes, I've read the office's opinion on KT. On Corliss, I just think he's the most likely to be traded out of the Philly three. Like I said in my second post, I'm not against him being on this team or want him gone.

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Gilles, I think I remember reading KT played SF while with the Rockets. Yeah on Petrie's off-season moves, the last 3-4 years, he's made the majority of his deals August and after that.

http://www.hoopshype.com/general_managers/geoff_petrie.htm

 

[ParniValjak]

-Yeah, like I said, prediction and speculation.

-I never said "hope", nor did I have any of that intent in my posts in this thread.

-I don't think it's a certainity Thomas is gone at all. Yes, I've read the office's opinion on KT. On Corliss, I just think he's the most likely to be traded out of the Philly three. Like I said in my second post, I'm not against him being on this team or want him gone.

Gilles, I think I remember reading KT played SF while with the Rockets.

I guess my post was in reply to a number of posts that you made on this board that one or more of those players will be traded. Not neccessarily in this thread.

It just sounded definite rather than hopeful. I guess I just wanted to know if you have any inside info

 

[Kings113]

I guess my post was in reply to a number of posts that you made on this board that one or more of those players will be traded. Not neccessarily in this thread.

It just sounded definite rather than hopeful. I guess I just wanted to know if you have any inside info

Well, I do think one of them won't be a King. So yeah.

Ha, okay.

 

[Gilles]

Just saw on nba.com about Kenny:
One of 11 players in the NBA to average a double-double in 2003-04, and at 6-foot-7, was the shortest player to average a double-double.
Grabbed a career-high 22 rebounds vs. Atlanta on April 1, 2000, becoming the first NBA rookie to reach 20 rebounds since Tim Duncan (1997-98) and the first Rockets rookie to reach this mark since Hakeem Olajuwon (1984-85).
Led the Rockets in total rebounds during his first NBA season, standing with Brand as the only rookies to lead a team in rebounds. Very impressing
So I assume he played PF for Rockets until they got Griffin and then he slide for 20 games to SF, he had a drop-off in production:
29.3min 09.9p 6.9r 2.0a 0.80s 0.30b 2.00TO .432FG%,
34.5min 14.1p 7.2r 1.9a 1.18s 0.92b 1.99TO .478FG% the previous year, probably didn't fit well and was traded to Philly where he became PF again. I also think he picked up some weight since then and became slower.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

The only way to go cheaper is to hire someone who didn't get drafted and is sitting at home playing Nintendo.

I just hope that he he's not playing as much Nintendo as Lionel Simmons played back in the day...Talk about the IL waiting to happen.

 

[EmKingsFan4]

yeah!...BRING BACK BARNES!

 

[Warhawk]

That much? The vet's minimum is chump change. The only way to go cheaper is to hire someone who didn't get drafted and is sitting at home playing Nintendo.

I think signing Matt would be a very wise decision on Petrie's part and it would do wonders for the home town crowd.

BRING BACK BARNES!!!!!

The vet's minimum, doubled, is not "chump change", depending on who it is spent on.

We do have 13 under contract (thanks Čarolija) and Petrie has said he is not looking to add more salary. Of course, this could just be GP being his normal sly self.....

I want him back, but unless moves are made, I doubt he'll be here.

 

[whozit]

At the same time, if I read it correct, he was saying he wasn't in a hurry to add the 13th. Did he mis-speak or .....................