Marty Mac's World: Only certainty is Kings must choose wisely

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Marty Mac's World: Only certainty is Kings must choose wisely

By Martin McNeal -- Bee Sports Columnist


The questions around the Kings' practice facility these days generally have the same tone.

"Who is going to be the coach?"

Is it really going to be (Monarchs) coach (John) Whisenant?"

"It's not really going to be Whisenant, is it?"

The players don't know. The front-office personnel don't know. The basketball operations staff doesn't know.

And I certainly don't know. If the Maloof family knows, it isn't saying.

Until the announcement comes that Whisenant is hired as Rick Adelman's replacement, it won't be believed here. In my mind, the Maloofs are too bright to not listen to president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie on this one, meaning they wouldn't entrust their franchise to a man who hasn't been a major-college or NBA head coach.

One thing the Maloofs should recognize is the Kings do not have any reasonable facsimiles of Yolanda Griffith, DeMya Walker or Rebekkah Brunson, to name a few.

The only big, laterally quick high jumper on the Kings is Jamal Sampson. Whisenant's strength indeed might be defense, but until the players change, the Kings will continue to allow expressway-like lanes to the hoop.

The Maloofs also need to recognize they own the only NBA team with a head-coaching vacancy. The world is theirs. Hire Whisenant if you must, but not after interviewing only Memphis assistant Eric Musselman and Golden State assistant Mario Elie.

Musselman, who had a 75-89 record in two seasons as the Warriors' head coach, was scheduled for a second interview. He also has been an assistant with the Minnesota Timberwolves, Atlanta Hawks and Orlando Magic.

Musselman's Warriors played hard - despite many of his players disliking him and the way he talked to them.

It could be the Maloofs have come to their senses and realize the grief they'll bring upon themselves by moving Whisenant to the Kings. Some say it would make more sense to make Whisenant an assistant, but who wants to be the head coach with the owner's boy lying in the cut?

Who's to say Whisenant would even want to be an assistant?

Another thought: Whisenant could do a great job with a talented Kings team and have a 50-win season.

He could be as successful as the great, hoops-hyped Larry Brown was dreadful this past season with the New York Knicks.

And at least a few of the Kings realize this. They are dealing with an NBA novice and, to some, that raises eyebrows. They also understand their future boss might be reading their comments, so readers should take that under consideration.

Point guard Mike Bibby is the longest-tenured King. Should the move go through, he said, he'll have to wait and see just like everyone else how Whisenant handles his business.

"It's not like I've seen him coach in the league," Bibby said this week, "because he hasn't coached in the league. So I really have nothing to judge him on. You never really know how things are with coaches. You can hire a supposedly great coach and things can go into the tank, and you can hire a mediocre coach and it can work out great."

Fellow veteran Corliss Williamson said of Whisenant: "You've got to respect a man who wins a championship on the professional level. I don't care if it was women's or men's or what. That's an accomplishment."

Whisenant, a longtime Maloof family friend, again will prove, should he get the job, that there's nothing like a hookup. Without that hookup, he doesn't get an interview, much less a job. One way or another, the words "I told you so" will be in full force. Either the Maloofs will say them, or they'll be hearing them.

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/basketball/kings/story/14262741p-15075905c.html
 
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atxrocker said:
Marty Mac's World: Only certainty is Kings must choose wisely

By Martin McNeal -- Bee Sports Columnist


The questions around the Kings' practice facility these days generally have the same tone.

"Who is going to be the coach?"

Is it really going to be (Monarchs) coach (John) Whisenant?"

"It's not really going to be Whisenant, is it?"

The players don't know. The front-office personnel don't know. The basketball operations staff doesn't know.

And I certainly don't know. If the Maloof family knows, it isn't saying.

Until the announcement comes that Whisenant is hired as Rick Adelman's replacement, it won't be believed here. In my mind, the Maloofs are too bright to not listen to president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie on this one, meaning they wouldn't entrust their franchise to a man who hasn't been a major-college or NBA head coach.

One thing the Maloofs should recognize is the Kings do not have any reasonable facsimiles of Yolanda Griffith, DeMya Walker or Rebekkah Brunson, to name a few.

The only big, laterally quick high jumper on the Kings is Jamal Sampson. Whisenant's strength indeed might be defense, but until the players change, the Kings will continue to allow expressway-like lanes to the hoop.

The Maloofs also need to recognize they own the only NBA team with a head-coaching vacancy. The world is theirs. Hire Whisenant if you must, but not after interviewing only Memphis assistant Eric Musselman and Golden State assistant Mario Elie.

Musselman, who had a 75-89 record in two seasons as the Warriors' head coach, was scheduled for a second interview. He also has been an assistant with the Minnesota Timberwolves, Atlanta Hawks and Orlando Magic.

Musselman's Warriors played hard - despite many of his players disliking him and the way he talked to them.

It could be the Maloofs have come to their senses and realize the grief they'll bring upon themselves by moving Whisenant to the Kings. Some say it would make more sense to make Whisenant an assistant, but who wants to be the head coach with the owner's boy lying in the cut?

Who's to say Whisenant would even want to be an assistant?

Another thought: Whisenant could do a great job with a talented Kings team and have a 50-win season.

He could be as successful as the great, hoops-hyped Larry Brown was dreadful this past season with the New York Knicks.

And at least a few of the Kings realize this. They are dealing with an NBA novice and, to some, that raises eyebrows. They also understand their future boss might be reading their comments, so readers should take that under consideration.

Point guard Mike Bibby is the longest-tenured King. Should the move go through, he said, he'll have to wait and see just like everyone else how Whisenant handles his business.

"It's not like I've seen him coach in the league," Bibby said this week, "because he hasn't coached in the league. So I really have nothing to judge him on. You never really know how things are with coaches. You can hire a supposedly great coach and things can go into the tank, and you can hire a mediocre coach and it can work out great."

Fellow veteran Corliss Williamson said of Whisenant: "You've got to respect a man who wins a championship on the professional level. I don't care if it was women's or men's or what. That's an accomplishment."

Whisenant, a longtime Maloof family friend, again will prove, should he get the job, that there's nothing like a hookup. Without that hookup, he doesn't get an interview, much less a job. One way or another, the words "I told you so" will be in full force. Either the Maloofs will say them, or they'll be hearing them.

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/basketball/kings/story/14262741p-15075905c.html

the bolded is a very good point. its one that i've brought up before, and one that i'm glad has been brought up in the bee. as of this moment, the kings are the only team in the nba with a head coaching vacancy. in a league with such widespread head coach turnover, that is a rarity, and the maloofs need to exploit that advantage by picking the best candidate available.

of course, the reason i haven't really stressed this point in the past is because the pool of coaches to draw from is very thinned out, and that is likely why nobody is in a rush to fire their head coach. apart from the possibility of larry brown, there is no coach on the market that screams "championship caliber" to me. most teams won't fire their veteran coaches for unknown prospects like mario elie (though he's still my number one choice...hopeful diamond-in-the-rough, etc.), largely unproven head coaches like eric musselman, and failed head coaches like pj carlesimo.
 
Padrino said:
...the pool of coaches to draw from is very thinned out, and that is likely why nobody is in a rush to fire their head coach...

Yeah, it's a shame there aren't any 700+ winners out there.


/end dripping sarcasm




;)
 
VF21 said:
Yeah, it's a shame there aren't any 700+ winners out there.


/end dripping sarcasm




;)

It's more than a little healthy to keep reminding folks of where we've been...

and apparently where we're headed.
 
VF21 said:
Yeah, it's a shame there aren't any 700+ winners out there.


/end dripping sarcasm




;)

i didn't mention RA because i was under the assumption that he was going to take a year off so his son, who is a senior in high school, could graduate in sacramento. maybe he will coach next season, but he hasn't made it clear that he is available.

as for there not being many 700+ winners out there, you are entirely right. damn shame the kings let one slip away. we'll see if it was the right decision.
 
VF21 said:
Yeah, it's a shame there aren't any 700+ winners out there.


/end dripping sarcasm




;)

Lenny Wilkens is available.....and at least he has a championship under his belt :p
 
You know, people have made that argument about this year's crop of coaches being somehow weaker, and I'm just not buying it. Same as always as the wheels churn.

We've got:

Nellie (1000+ game winner)
Wilkens (1000+ game winner)
Adelman (700+ game winner)
quite possibly Brown once again
Rudy T (maybe)

Stan Van Gundy (if they let him out of jail)
Paul Silas
Eddie Jordan
Jim O'Brien
Jeff Bzdelik
Terry Porter
Del Harris
Bill Cartwright
Don Chaney

the top assistants somebody will hire (Ellie, Iavaroni)
the former coaches now assisting (Carlesimo, Musselman)
the minor league ex players (Cooper, Laimbeer)
the dabbling announcers (Hubie, Collins)
the normal allotment of college coaches
and then I'm sure the normal allotment of assistants that we, as dabblers ourselves, haven't heard about

I mean, how many choices do you need?
 
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why did tomjanovich take a bow from la la land, was it for health reasons?

either way it be ridiculous for the Maloofs not to push for this guy, at least get an interview.
 
Until the announcement comes that Whisenant is hired as Rick Adelman's replacement, it won't be believed here.

And McNeal gets it.

That is all that needs to be said about John Whisenant already being the choice in the back of anyone's mind. Most definitely.

The only big, laterally quick high jumper on the Kings is Jamal Sampson. Whisenant's strength indeed might be defense, but until the players change, the Kings will continue to allow expressway-like lanes to the hoop.

Man, McNeal gets it again. Extra props for mentioning Sampson.

Whisenant, a longtime Maloof family friend, again will prove, should he get the job, that there's nothing like a hookup. Without that hookup, he doesn't get an interview, much less a job. One way or another, the words "I told you so" will be in full force. Either the Maloofs will say them, or they'll be hearing them.

Three times? Indeed.
 
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One thing the Maloofs should recognize is the Kings do not have any reasonable facsimiles of Yolanda Griffith, DeMya Walker or Rebekkah Brunson, to name a few.

Yes! I've been saying this ever since Whisenant was mentioned as a candidate. The Monarchs were built like the Spurs, on purpose. The Kings aren't anything like that. Doesn't help that the white line defense is pretty much illegal to use because of the 3 second violation in the NBA.
 
Bricklayer said:
You know, people have made that argument about this year's crop of coaches being somehow weaker, and I'm just not buying it. Same as always as the wheels churn.

We've got:

Nellie (1000+ game winner)
Wilkens (1000+ game winner)
Adelman (700+ game winner)
quite possibly Brown once again
Rudy T (maybe)

Stan Van Gundy (if they let him out of jail)
Paul Silas
Eddie Jordan
Jim O'Brien
Jeff Bzdelik
Terry Porter
Del Harris
Bill Cartwright
Don Chaney

the top assistants somebody will hire (Ellie, Iavaroni)
the former coaches now assisting (Carlesimo, Musselman)
the minor league ex players (Cooper, Laimbeer)
the dabbling announcers (Hubie, Collins)
the normal allotment of college coaches
and then I'm sure the normal allotment of assistants that we, as dabblers ourselves, haven't heard about

I mean, how many choices do you need?
Umm I don't think the problem ever was not enough choices... Much like used car shopping at the destruction the problem is not finding A car... well you get the idea. ;)
 
HndsmCelt said:
Umm I don't think the problem ever was not enough choices... Much like used car shopping at the destruction the problem is not finding A car... well you get the idea. ;)


Well again though, when is this mythological time when every offseason is filled with dozens of championship coaches to choose from? Looks like a pretty normal crop to me. Was always the problem with firing Adelman -- you just are NOT going to find many who've proven they can go further than a guy with 700 wins and 14 playoffs and two appearances in the Finals (or 3 depending on how you look at the 2002 WCF).
 
Bricklayer said:
Well again though, when is this mythological time when every offseason is filled with dozens of championship coaches to choose from? Looks like a pretty normal crop to me. Was always the problem with firing Adelman -- you just are NOT going to find many who've proven they can go further than a guy with 700 wins and 14 playoffs and two appearances in the Finals (or 3 depending on how you look at the 2002 WCF).
No argument with me on the reality that the ONLY time a team should fire a wining coach is when there is someone better waiting in the wings. Never was part of the fire Adelman crowd. Hell my response when people talk of getting rid of ANY player is who is the replacement? In this case there was a deffening silence followed by um's and ah's and well's then eacher persons suggestion that ________________ might be better if given a chance.
 
And that my friend is something that just doesn't add up no matter how those who wanted Adelman gone sugarcoat it.

Of the apparent 3 candidates only Musselman has a resume that could be considered. Coached in minor leagues, assistant in the NBA with a number of teams and a head coach in the NBA. Runner up in coach of the year in his rookie season as a head coach. All nice and well but give me 700+ win coach over him any day of the week and twice on sundays.

Who ever we get, won't be better qualified that Adelman but hopefully we can make the best out of a bad situation and pick someone who at least has some NBA experience next to his name.
 
BigSong said:
why did tomjanovich take a bow from la la land, was it for health reasons?

either way it be ridiculous for the Maloofs not to push for this guy, at least get an interview.

No defense. There' s a reason we all called him "Rudy 3" instead of Rudy T.
 
"It's not like I've seen him coach in the league," Bibby said this week, "because he hasn't coached in the league. So I really have nothing to judge him on. You never really know how things are with coaches. You can hire a supposedly great coach and things can go into the tank, and you can hire a mediocre coach and it can work out great."

Fellow veteran Corliss Williamson said of Whisenant: "You've got to respect a man who wins a championship on the professional level. I don't care if it was women's or men's or what. That's an accomplishment."


:eek: The horror! 2 NBA players who have an open mind and one clearly saying he could play for him. Props to both.

The sky is falling! Armegeddon is here! EVERYBODY RUUUNNNN!!!!!!

Let me guess..... Corliss's opinion doesnt count because hes almost done and or hes lying. Bibby...<enter excuse here> :rolleyes: :mad:
 
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slugking50 said:
:eek: The horror! 2 NBA players who have an open mind and one clearly saying he could play for him. Props to both.

The sky is falling! Armegeddon is here! EVERYBODY RUUUNNNN!!!!!!

Let me guess..... Corliss's opinion doesnt count because hes almost done and or hes lying. Bibby...<enter excuse here> :rolleyes: :mad:

Of course they are going to say the right things in public. Unless they were very unintellegent or self-destructive, they are not going to tell a reporter that they have no respect for their potential coach. Most of the team would probably come into training camp skeptical, yet still receptive. The real problem occurs when the season gets tough. If we start to lose games or JW gets out-coached while adjusting to the NBA game, he risks losing whatever support he might have in the locker room very quickly.
 
slugking50 said:
:eek: The horror! 2 NBA players who have an open mind and one clearly saying he could play for him. Props to both.

Come on, slug. They both responded with some of the best PC comments I've seen. Neither said they'd play for him. In fact, neither really said much of anything.

Bibby danced around with an eloquence I really didn't believe he had. Corliss gave him credit for the championship.

As was pointed out above, these guys aren't going to come out and say anything other than pablum comments.

I'm not saying they wouldn't play for him or that they don't respect him. I'm saying you're trying to read way too much into a couple of structured quotes.
 
Sptsjunkie said:
Of course they are going to say the right things in public. Unless they were very unintellegent or self-destructive, they are not going to tell a reporter that they have no respect for their potential coach. Most of the team would probably come into training camp skeptical, yet still receptive. The real problem occurs when the season gets tough. If we start to lose games or JW gets out-coached while adjusting to the NBA game, he risks losing whatever support he might have in the locker room very quickly.

Those same players would be skeptical towards ANY new coach. Musselman is in the same situation. He could easily have the same senario happen to him.

An excuse is an excuse.....
 
slugking50 said:
Those same players would be skeptical towards ANY new coach. Musselman is in the same situation. He could easily have the same senario happen to him.

An excuse is an excuse.....

Musselman is not an old ball coach, but he's got a ton of NBA and related experience to trot out there to earn that respect. 20 years of experience which he can use to get the players' attention.

FAR different than trotting out an amateur crony and having him try to convince the pros that he knew how to win in the league more than they did.
 
Bricklayer said:
Musselman is not an old ball coach, but he's got a ton of NBA and related experience to trot out there to earn that respect. 20 years of experience which he can use to get the players' attention.

FAR different than trotting out an amateur crony and having him try to convince the pros that he knew how to win in the league more than they did.


Well if Whiz is an Amatuer thats one hell of a damn amatuer. Hes far from acrony. An man of honor and respect is more accurate.

Hes someone whose trying to coach a top tier team and flying back and forth to Oklahoma dealing with a dying mother and also all the comments from people who have never ever met the man. Damn impressive if you ask me.

If he can convince a player likes Yolanda Griffith Im sure he can coach someone like Artest and/or Bonzi. The woman Professional players can be just as difficult as the boys.

I realize there are many who are so blind to even think hes capable. But I believe in his coaching and his knack for talent. Its too bad....


Oh well.... Its over with.... Welcome Coach Musselman.
 
slugking50 said:
If he can convince a player likes Yolanda Griffith Im sure he can coach someone like Artest and/or Bonzi.


That right there explains all that needs to be explained about how you've reached your conclusions in this case.
 
slugking50 said:
If he can convince a player likes Yolanda Griffith Im sure he can coach someone like Artest and/or Bonzi. The woman Professional players can be just as difficult as the boys.


You've gotta be kidding me.
 
BMiller52 said:
You've gotta be kidding me.


< sigh >


Your right.... How silly of me to think a woman could be a pro athlete....


< Looks at a calender to see if its 1906 instead of 2006 >

:rolleyes:
 
Slug - I think the point they're making is that Yo Griffith may be a pro athlete, but she's nowhere near as egocentric as her male counterparts. Just because Whis was able to get her to come around - which I think is more a tribute to HER than to Whis, actually - doesn't mean he'd be able to do the same with the men. For one thing, the men are much more "me" oriented.
 
For another thing the female players make far less money than the males do. The rookie contract of a first round NBA draftee will set most anyone up for life if they are remotely intelligent about their money. WNBA players don't have that luxury so they need to suck it up and keep playing. If one were to get docked/fined/suspended it might actually mean something.
 
slugking50 said:
< sigh >


Your right.... How silly of me to think a woman could be a pro athlete....


< Looks at a calender to see if its 1906 instead of 2006 >

:rolleyes:


No I'm saying how can you even compare the two? I don't watch the WNBA so I don't know if she had her problems but there's a long list of things Ron's done wrong that I remember you even pointed out before we traded for him. I doubt Yolanda Griffith ever got in a fight with Ben Wallace and then beat up a fan because she got a drink tossed on her.
 
i don't know why people feel like disputing the differences between men's and women's basketball. set aside the differences in the level of play and there are still fundamental differences between men and women that exist regardless of the profession. this isn't a political issue. men and women are different. fact. therefore, coaching men and coaching women is different. fact.

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