Martin McNeal as Beat Writer - Not Cutting It?

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Now that the SAR thing has run its course....as have the threads regarding him....I would like to breach a new topic:

Am I the only one who thinks Marty McNeal has turned into a weak beat reporter? His articles IMHO lack depth, insight, style, and are frequently conspicuous by their brevity. No, I am not dreaming to have his job one day. :)

As a whole, I think the Bee provides excellent coverage of the Kings. Mark Kreidler is great, and unlike some of you I am a fan of Aileen Voison. And Sam Amick who takes over the role over Marty during off-season does a good job too. Joe Davidson is competent.

I am of the opinion that McNeal has been in his position so many years, he is gotten lazy and too cozy. He mails it in 90% of the time. His effort seems half-hearted to me. He also buddies up to the players too much when his role is to be an objective observer. So he is reluctant to offer any serious critique, especially as it related to Chris Webber.

Take the article below as an example. This article about Doug Christie and his weird relationship with his wife is terrific. It offers more insight and content than anything Martin McNeal has submitted to print in recent memory. And Christie has not even signed a contract with the Mavs yet, and this writer delivers the goods in form of compelling column.

Am I being hypercritical of the guy? Maybe. But I have always been fond of the written word, do a lot of reading and writing myself, so I am sensitive to these things. As loyal and knowlegdeable Kings fans, we deserve first rate coverage of our team by our beat reporter. I don't think we get it. What do you think?

Posted From Star Telegram.Com:

Posted on Sun, Aug. 14, 2005


R E L A T E D C O N T E N T



For Christies, defense played on, off court

By Gil LeBreton

Star-Telegram Staff Writer



There was a time, even as recently as two or three seasons ago, when the prospect of Doug Christie coming to the Mavericks would have been applauded without reservation.

Christie, after all, carries the reputation of a fierce defender, a 6-foot-6 swingman who can shuffle step-for-step with both the Nashes and the McGradys of the NBA world.

In the Mavericks' new gospel, coach Avery Johnson preaches defense. Christie plays defense.

What's not to like?

Or, let me phrase that in another, more meaningful way:

Is there anyone in this congregation who knows of any just cause or reason why this union should not take place?

The Mavericks appear to be poised to sign Christie to a bargain, one-year, $3 million contract. Arriving with Doug, alas, will be his wife, Jackie.

Lots of NBA players travel with baggage - and not the designer kind. Jackie Christie, in Doug's case, is like the suitcase that Houdini used to be locked in.

You could make a case that the Christies, married 11 years, set a loving example and could well be professional sports' most adorable and committed couple.

On the other hand, you could make a case that for 11 years, Doug Christie has been under a derivative form of house arrest.

The Christies were profiled recently by the award-winning HBO series, Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel. The filmed report seemed to pass no moral or social judgments on the extreme inseparability of the Christies' relationship.

It also failed to plausibly explain why Jackie won't let go.

At each home game that Doug plays, Christie is in the stands. She doesn't just stand by her man. She talks to him, constantly, throughout the game, through a steady repertoire of prearranged hand signals.

And he talks back, gesturing to her sometimes even as he's dribbling the basketball or after grabbing a rebound.

As Jackie Christie told The New York Times, "When I make this sign, it means, `Drive to the hole.' When I make this sign, it means, `Smile, because you look a little sad on the bench.' He started making this sign and said, 'This means I love you,' and it developed from there.' "

Reporters who covered one of Doug's former teams, the Toronto Raptors, kept track one game of how many times the player signaled his wife. The final tally was 62.

She sends a note to him in the locker room before every game. He sends her one back.

According to the Times story, Jackie also attends 25-30 of Doug's 41 road games per season. As he rides on the team bus to the game, Jackie follows in a car behind, while the two talk to each other on their cell phones.

If a female reporter wants to interview her husband, Jackie has told team officials that she must be present. Some female reporters are not allowed to talk to her husband at all, the HBO report said.

Jackie Christie has also "intervened" when female fans have tried to get Doug's autograph. Some newspaper stories have reported that Doug is not allowed to look at or make eye contact with other women.

Jackie told the Times that that's not true but, "I would prefer that he didn't.""

"I just felt I needed to protect my territory in the beginning," Jackie said. "So I had a lot of issues. I have a jealous bone in my body, yes. It's probably as big as me. I'm very easygoing until I feel a threat."

And therein lies the concern if, in fact, Mr. and Mrs. Christie will soon be joining the Mavericks. What in Jackie Christie's jealous eyes constitutes a threat?

This media market abounds in female sports reporters - women who have performed professionally and impressively on every professional sports beat in this area. No player's wife has the power to deny these women the right to perform their jobs.

More than that, Mrs. Christie's insinuation is demeaning. Her actions imply that every woman, even the married NBA reporters that she has "banned,"" want to steal away her husband.

Certain to complicate things, too, is that the Mavericks themselves have a respected, professional public relations director who happens to be a woman -- Sarah Melton.

Doug Christie, who is 35, would be playing for his sixth NBA team. The number can't just be a coincidence.

Just two or three seasons ago, when the Mavericks could have used a younger Christie's rare dash of defense, and before the curious tale of his marriage was made so public, the notion of acquiring him for $3 million would have been a no-brainer.

Now, there's a report that the VH1 network wants to build a TV reality show around the Christies. The NBA reportedly has already given its approval to bring in the cameras.

Johnson is preaching defense, but the Mavericks would be wise to think this one completely through.

They are about to get not one, but two, new teammates.
Gil LeBreton, (817) 390-7760
glebreton@star-telegram.com
 
Marty Mac is the beat writer and as such I don't expect him to do human interest stories. That job generally falls (for better or worse) to Voisin. She's done extended pieces on the players lives. Her article on Jason Williams was one of the best things she's done for the Bee.

What I want from McNeal is more of a discussion of strictly basketball related items. Sure, I think some of his articles show a bit of laziness, but in general I like the job he does.
 
Have you ever heard the guy? If he writes how he speaks than you cant expect much from him.
 
I agree that you may have a point that Marty can stand to improve. I think he does an adequate job without "sensationalizing" news.

Now, it's when you bring up a third rate article about the Christies and describe it a terrific (maybe you meant terrible?) that one has to question your judgement.
 
Okay, this really doesn't belong in the main forum... And, quite frankly, I cannot for the life of me figure out why, in a thread talking about Marty McNeal, there's an article about Doug Christie.

To address the original topic, I think Marty is capable of doing exactly what a real sports beat writer should do: present the story of the GAME, not the human interest fluff that the columnists do. We have enough Bee sports writers/columnists who seem enamored with themselves and their opinions - *cough* Voisin, Breton, and to some extent Amick cough*. We have an excellent writer, IMHO, in Mark Kreidler, who often seems to hit the nail right on the head in getting to the real issues the fans want to know about. Joe Davidson seems to do a good job of straddling the fence on basketball, sometimes doing straight reporting and sometimes delving deeper into subjects of interest. (BTW, unless I'm mistaken (and I don't think I am), DAVIDSON did a piece remarkably similar to the one shown above about the Christies - and he did it almost two years ago.)

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I want to have at least one writer who reports the FACTS about the game and lets me interpret them for myself. I think Marty does an admirable job of filling that gap.
 
Now, there's a report that the VH1 network wants to build a TV reality show around the Christies. The NBA reportedly has already given its approval to bring in the cameras.

REALITY check for bad reporter: The show WAS already approved. In fact, they were set to start shooting but A TRADE got in the way.

Obviously, Gil LeBreton needs to do his homework a little better. If the show is AGAIN on the front burner, he should have said so.
 
One more thing, bye bye bjax24:

His articles IMHO lack depth, insight, style, and are frequently conspicuous by their brevity. No, I am not dreaming to have his job one day.

It's not McNeal's decision on how much of his article ends up in print. It's solely the discretion of the sports editor, who has to balance things like ad revenue, available column inches, etc. There is often a difference between print and Internet stories. In addition, there is even the occasional shift between the Statewide edition and the Final Edition of the Bee. It's simply wrong to blame McNeal for the length of the article that you see.
 
I think that Marty does a very good job and I enjoy reading his articles. Sometimes I think he say what he thinks more like he does on the radio.
 
Marty McNeal is an excellent beat writer and he has been doing it many years. His job is to know all the players, to get close to them to better relate them and their play to us the fans. A beat writer for basketball is to relate the basketball side of the Kings to all of us. Not to due investigative reporting or feature stories.

At home and away games, summer, preseason or playoffs, Marty files his stories as soon as player and personnel interviews are done, after every game. Mailing it in 90% of the time? Kinda impossible to do particularlily with the wild swings and ups and downs the Kings had last year.

During summer league one year in Salt Lake I watched Marty hold "court" for the key contingent of Kings players after a game. In this round table of 5 or 6 players, he asked general questions, probing questions and asked for details about their play, their hobbies and why they did certain things in the game just past. They were nervous but they were there and it was a two-way dialog.

Beat writers know about the players, the staff and Kings personnel and their job is to write about the game and who did what. Stories about specifics take a lot of time. Thats why you have staff writers like Aileen, Sam Amick and Mark Kriedler.

Anyway, ask other folk in other NBA cities about their beat writer then ask them about Marty. It is suprising how many know about him and like his work.
 
I think Marty is pretty good. He likes to cultivate a "street" image, but he is no ham-handed Scoop Jackson or Stephen A. Smith. Marty could have exploited the relationships he's had w/ our players a long time ago in order to move on to ESPN or SI, but he maintains loyalty to his sources. I think he knows that locker room better than Petrie does.
 
There's a big difference in being a beat writer and being a columnist. Columnists like Voison, Kreidler, etc. write opinion pieces. Marty is a reporter, and thus his responsibility is to report what went on during the game, in the locker room, etc. It doesn't leave a lot of room to be witty, glib, sarcastic, or even insightful. You shouldn't judge what Marty McNeel writes by the same standards as the other sports columnist.
 
I like Marty. I think he used to be better, but over the past two years he has slipped a little bit. Last season I hardly ever read his recaps all the way through. Part of that might have been Kings Coverage Burnout. Since '98, I've been spending more time each year reading/discussing the Kings and the NBA online. It's hard to get interested in a game recap the morning after I've just watched the game, spent some time at KingsFans.com and then talked about the game with one of my brothers. By the next day, there's hardly anything new to add. So maybe Marty is doing the same job, but (for me) he's just being replaced by the constant opinions and observations that I come across these days.

I think Marty will pick it up this season, something about this particular team makes think he'll up his standards. I like him better than Sam Amick and Joe Davidson, so he's doing a good enough job to stick around.
 
PixelPusher has hit the "beat writer" nail on the head as has Venom. Everyone has a right to their personal view on a Kings related person. Understanding the underlying info about that person or their job helps us all.
 
I like Marty as well - wish more folks would cut the crap and just give the essentials like he does.
 
Martys Mouth

Gary said:
Have you ever heard the guy? If he writes how he speaks than you cant expect much from him.

The guy sounds functionally retarted on the radio! He has got to be in his mid fory's, and he sounds more ghetto than Jason Willaims and Christina Aguilera combined with their forced white boy/girl southern ghetto drawl.

I have never liked him as writer either, his columns are usually half the length of his counter parts, not sure if its his choice or the editors.

Ailine Voison is a good writer, but a bad sports columnist. She tries way too hard to stir stuff up, I think she is over compensating for the fact that she is female in a male dominated world and it shows up in her writing.

Kriedler is great, he even writes for ESPN now and then.


If you all want to read a quality, funny sports columnist read ESPN's Page 2 "The Sports Guy" Bill Simmons. I have been reading him for years and he is hilarious. He actually wrote for Jimy Kimmel live for a couple seasons until it got too much for him and he went back to just writing columns.
 
I've been reading recaps of games since 1960 and Marty does as good a job as some and better than most. The beat writer should convey the ebb and flow of the game and the people who standout in that particular game. He should cultivate relationships with the players to glean insights into why things do or don't occur on the court but the court is his focus. And if the players are doing their job any friction should stay behind closed doors and not hit the press. The Christie's unusual relationship, while curious to some, is little different from many marriages. It's just that they are in the spotlight of professional sports and subject to intense public scrutinty. And when I read about the Kings I'm looking for game stories, not some incursion into their private lives so I "self-edit" and don't read that stuff.
 
What happened to Marty? Is he on vacation?

I haven't seen his name on a column in a couple weeks.
 
As others have stated, I too find Kreidler to be the best columnist. Good on the radio, too. For game/team info Marty does just fine.
 
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