Kreidler: Give Kings some time, then panic

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Mark Kreidler: Give Kings some time, then panic
By Mark Kreidler -- Bee Sports Columnist
Published 2:15 am PST Thursday, November 17, 2005

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Come back in six weeks and tell me what you know.
Come back in six weeks and tell me Mike Bibby has lost it, or Rick Adelman has to go, or it's time to junk the Geoff Petrie approach to acquiring and deploying NBA talent. If the Kings are losing then at the rate they're losing now, if they're still the leaders of the NBA's Erratically Unpredictable division, we'll all know it beyond a doubt.

Can't wait six weeks? Wait a month. Not a month? Try a fortnight.

Anything would make more sense than the faux panic that currently surrounds 3-5, even a certifiably cruddy 3-5.

Let me put it another way: Why the rush to panic, when you have so much time to let it build?

I love a good sporting emergency as much as the next couch spud, but this is ridiculous. Terrell Owens ripping the Eagles apart, that's one thing. The Kings off to a slow start? Even in Sacramento, there has to be at least a modicum of perspective attached.

At the risk of trending toward Pollyanna McMyopic, consider the following:

* 2004-05 season: A 1-4 start that featured a 30-point blowout defeat in Seattle, a loss so lousy it had people wondering whether the Kings were going to spontaneously combust. Final record: 50-32.

* 2003-04 season: A 4-4 start that included getting run out of the gym by the Nuggets in Denver in Game 3, a waxing so thorough it set off alarm bells all around Concern Campus. Record: 55-27.

* 2002-03 season: A 3-3 start in which the team dropped three consecutive games on the road, leading some to wonder what in the world had happened to the bunch that was just in the Western Conference finals that spring. Record: 59-23.

Each of those teams featured guys who had played together longer than the current edition - and, significantly, those teams seemed to know how good they could be, even when they were going bad. As assistant coach Elston Turner described the group dynamic Wednesday, "There's a composure about you, a confidence about you on the court. Detroit has that right now."

The Kings of 2005 clearly don't yet know how good they might become - but did you really expect them to, not even three weeks into the season with a retooled roster and uncertain leadership? How myopic is that?
Six weeks. End of December. I want to see Bonzi Wells and Shareef Abdur-Rahim after Brad Miller starts finding them on the floor. I want to see Adelman's offense with Bibby and Peja Stojakovic shooting consistently behind it, which they haven't yet done.

This team might prove to be no better in January than it is right now. Let me ask: Do you really think, given the history, that that's the smart bet here?

The Kings aren't going to play much defense, and they aren't going to be great off the bench, period. But they're a team designed around the Petrie/Adelman offense-first philosophy, and if we've learned anything this season, it's that the system sure wasn't as simple as the Chris Webber/Vlade Divac teams so often made it look.

Come back in December. We'll talk.

Adelman wasn't buying much of the six-week project after Wednesday's practice, but, then, Adelman can't indulge the luxury. He's the coach with the one-year choke collar and exactly enough service time in one city for people to jump up and bleat, "See! He's doing it again!" as soon as Adelman does something that they remember hating from a season past.
At one point, discussing his mostly woeful second unit, the coach said, "If it continues, I've got to make some decisions - maybe I can't have all five bench guys on the floor." Later, Adelman added, "I haven't got that much time to wait."

You, on the other hand, do. And whether or not Adelman likes it, he's going to have to wait at least awhile longer before he really knows what he has with Abdur-Rahim and Wells learning how to play alongside Bibby, Stojakovic and Miller.

"It's almost like school," Turner said. "Each individual learns at a different pace. I don't know that any coach can put a time frame on it."

The great thing about sports fandom is that one may panic whenever one feels up to it. With ticket prices past ear-bleed levels and the playoffs already in question, now might seem like the perfect time.

Just a thought: Give it a little room to breathe. Come back next month. At least then, it'll be a richly earned case of the howling.

About the writer: Reach Mark Kreidler at (916) 321-1149 or mkreidler@sacbee.com
 
The great thing about sports fandom is that one may panic whenever one feels up to it. With ticket prices past ear-bleed levels and the playoffs already in question, now might seem like the perfect time.

It's already a roller coaster ride of the highest magnitude and I personally don't see it changing any time soon.

Nobody ever said being a sports fan is easy... ;)

Another good article by Kreidler, IMHO, who seems to actually have a feel for the whole fan experience much better than any of the others at the Bee. He's writing for the fans from a perspective the fans can understand. I, for one, appreciate it...
 
thanks for posting this vf!! i agree with kreidler on this. we all need to be a little more patient. i just hope our bench can get it together because i don't know how much patience we can allow them. another thing is effort and that's for the whole team. we can excuse the bad start to alot of things but as fans we want to see an effort out there. i don't mind losing if the kings play their hardest because i know that this team is talented and will take some time to figure each other out. so i will say right now that i will be more patient with adelman and the players over the next month or so as long as they are putting their best effort out there!!
 
VF21 said:
It's already a roller coaster ride of the highest magnitude and I personally don't see it changing any time soon.

Nobody ever said being a sports fan is easy... ;)

Another good article by Kreidler, IMHO, who seems to actually have a feel for the whole fan experience much better than any of the others at the Bee. He's writing for the fans from a perspective the fans can understand. I, for one, appreciate it...

Kreidler is the best writer on the Bee staff... IMHO. And while contributors here have a decent understanding of the troubling issues facing the Kings, Kreidler's give-em-a-little time argument is right on. Patience is called for at this early stage. :D
 
Adelman is still tinkering with the lineups. I believe he's trying to figuring out how he can utilize the players and get the most out of the system. He's figuring out which players play well together. It all takes time. Having said that, the effort still needs to be there.
 
Using performance from past Kings teams as a guide for this year's Kings team is absurd since the rosters are drastically different. There are no Cwebb, Doug, and Bobby Jackson on this team.
 
Kreidler isn't using past Kings teams as a guide for this year's Kings team. What he's doing is saying in past years people panicked early and everything turned out okay.

At the risk of trending toward Pollyanna McMyopic, consider the following:

* 2004-05 season: A 1-4 start that featured a 30-point blowout defeat in Seattle, a loss so lousy it had people wondering whether the Kings were going to spontaneously combust. Final record: 50-32.

* 2003-04 season: A 4-4 start that included getting run out of the gym by the Nuggets in Denver in Game 3, a waxing so thorough it set off alarm bells all around Concern Campus. Record: 55-27.

* 2002-03 season: A 3-3 start in which the team dropped three consecutive games on the road, leading some to wonder what in the world had happened to the bunch that was just in the Western Conference finals that spring. Record: 59-23.

Each of those teams featured guys who had played together longer than the current edition - and, significantly, those teams seemed to know how good they could be, even when they were going bad. As assistant coach Elston Turner described the group dynamic Wednesday, "There's a composure about you, a confidence about you on the court. Detroit has that right now."

The Kings of 2005 clearly don't yet know how good they might become - but did you really expect them to, not even three weeks into the season with a retooled roster and uncertain leadership? How myopic is that?

He's saying it might turn out either way and that right now we simply don't need to go into full-blown panic mode...
 
Same coach. It's not absurd at all. It's the same offense and philosophy. Whether this group pans out is a different story, but the comparison is quite valid.

yanon said:
Using performance from past Kings teams as a guide for this year's Kings team is absurd since the rosters are drastically different. There are no Cwebb, Doug, and Bobby Jackson on this team.
 
If we lose all of the next 3 games, Im hitting the panic button. Im hoping we go 2-1 at least. Anyhow, Im not against the starting 5. They will get it together, but my concern is that the bench sucks right now. The only threat is Thomas, and hes inconsistent and a ball hog the majority of times. The Bench is what I wish I had the flush button for.
 
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mr. moustache said:
Same coach. It's not absurd at all. It's the same offense and philosophy. Whether this group pans out is a different story, but the comparison is quite valid.

Players are the ones who play the game. If Ben Wallace, Richard Hamilton, and Chauncy play the triangle under Phil Jackson, is it logical for people to expect them to win three championships like the Lakers did? Ben Wallace doesn't have the offense game like Shaq and Richard Hamilton can't play defense like Kobe used to do. 49ers used to be a perennial title contender becuase of their explosive offense back in the 90s. How many people expected them to be a title contender even though they still ran the same offense in the new millennium? Not many, because most people can see that they don't have Joe Montanna, Steve Young, and Jerry Rice. Same logic apply to the current Kings' situation. This edition of Kings team have a drastically different core compare to the teams (pretty much the same core with Cwebb, Peja, Bibby, Bobby, Vlade/Miller for those years) listed in that article. Had the Kings not traded Cwebb, Doug, and Bobby for different players, it would be logical to use the Kings past performance as a guide.
 
VF21 said:
Kreidler isn't using past Kings teams as a guide for this year's Kings team. What he's doing is saying in past years people panicked early and everything turned out okay.



He's saying it might turn out either way and that right now we simply don't need to go into full-blown panic mode...

Because the teams in those years listed have the same core, there is some degree of predictability--same group of players always starting slow. The past Kings have at least one leader who other players can follow when the going gets tough., this years' Kings have shown that they don't have such a leader.
 
yanon said:
Because the teams in those years listed have the same core, there is some degree of predictability--same group of players always starting slow. The past Kings have at least one leader who other players can follow when the going gets tough., this years' Kings have shown that they don't have such a leader.
If those teams were so predictable, why did people panic? The point is that regardless of who is on the floor, you just don't know how it's going to turn out within the first 3 weeks of the season. It's going to take until half way to the allstar break as far as I can tell to judge whether or not this group is going to work out. The question is, will we be patient enough or will we as fans panic and we as an organization pull the trigger on a potentially ill advised personnel change?
 
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