Kings trade rumor SZN 2023-2024 edition!

[SacTownKid]

I like BI, but not a fan of his fit with Fox and Sabonis. I’d be interested in getting a guy like Naji Marshall using the (partial?) MLE. Gives the team a much needed dog, plays big, can do a little of everything.

Ingram is an all star level player, plays on the wing, and can score on his own. Perfect fit. If Monte wants a player like Marshall he should be gettable with or without Ingram. This Kings team doesn't look to be a Naji Marshall away from jack squat unfortunately although he might help, but there are plenty of MLE options like Oubre who I think would be an even better target. It will take talent to get over the hump if the West stays this competitive.

 

[TheMobb]

Ingram is an all star level player, plays on the wing, and can score on his own. Perfect fit. If Monte wants a player like Marshall he should be gettable with or without Ingram. This Kings team doesn't look to be a Naji Marshall away from jack squat unfortunately although he might help, but there are plenty of MLE options like Oubre who I think would be an even better target. It will take talent to get over the hump if the West stays this competitive.

I agree with you on the talent side. But BI is super ball dominant, I have doubts he can coexist with both Fox and Sabonis.

 

[kingsboi]

Ingram is an all star level player, plays on the wing, and can score on his own. Perfect fit. If Monte wants a player like Marshall he should be gettable with or without Ingram. This Kings team doesn't look to be a Naji Marshall away from jack squat unfortunately although he might help, but there are plenty of MLE options like Oubre who I think would be an even better target. It will take talent to get over the hump if the West stays this competitive.

I just don't see that fire and desire in Ingram. This team needs a jolt of leadership, toughness and grit. Brandon gets by with height and skill. There is better fruit to pluck from the forward tree.

 

[notoriousBEN3]

I just don't see that fire and desire in Ingram. This team needs a jolt of leadership, toughness and grit. Brandon gets by with height and skill. There is better fruit to pluck from the forward tree.

I understand what you’re saying, but who’s a better option that’s available? BI isn’t perfect, but he checks a lot of boxes for the Kings. Especially if we lose Monk.

It’s easy to sit around and wait for a better fit, but that’s what we did last season by “running it back” and we ended up missing the playoffs entirely. What “fruit” would you REALISTICALLY rather pluck?

 

[kingsboi]

I understand what you’re saying, but who’s a better option that’s available? BI isn’t perfect, but he checks a lot of boxes for the Kings. Especially if we lose Monk.

It’s easy to sit around and wait for a better fit, but that’s what we did last season by “running it back” and we ended up missing the playoffs entirely. What “fruit” would you REALISTICALLY rather pluck?

Miles Bridges

 

[The_Jamal]

Miles Bridges

Leadership and miles bridges in the same sentence certainly is a choice

 

[kingsboi]

Leadership and miles bridges in the same sentence certainly is a choice

that can come from someone else

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Leadership and miles bridges in the same sentence certainly is a choice

I hear he leads with his left

 

[SacTownKid]

I just don't see that fire and desire in Ingram. This team needs a jolt of leadership, toughness and grit. Brandon gets by with height and skill. There is better fruit to pluck from the forward tree.

Ingram has faults no doubt, but I think this team is what it is based on Fox and Domas in all facets so as such, it is what it is. IMO all Monte can do is put as much talent around them as possible and see how it shakes out. As good as it sounds in theory, no, Iman Shumpert types aren't your difference. Look at the playoffs year after year, superstar talent and your depth in that regard is the difference. Now a Shumpert type can be that extra little kick in the locker room but once the rubber meets the road it won't mean much. If you can find that type of player that is both a franchise player and has all those traits you mentioned and put the right talent around them you probably have a dynasty. It's very rare though. Monte doesn't have time to set his bar so high anymore trade wise and option wise. **** or get off the pot. Is the team topped out as is? Maybe not, but Monte better not ignore his only proven results so far and I don't think he will.

 

[SacTownKid]

Miles Bridges

With the negativity around him media wise that would be a big gamble. Obviously one that will likely pay off ON the floor for any team willing to take that gamble that isn't a bad team. I see... the Lakers in his future, lol.

 

[luckytkp]

I have no problem taking on Miles Bridges. He’s such a perfect fit and will help us win for sure.

 

[The_Jamal]

that can come from someone else

What.

You said you want someone with leadership, fire and Grit. You said BI doesn't have those qualities.

When asked who you'd take instead, you said Miles Bridges.

The logical leap here is you think Miles Bridges possess those qualities, since he's your counter to why you wouldn't want BI.

No?

 

[kingdivac]

Another guy I’d consider trading for is Corey Kispert. The Wizards were one of my league pass teams for some reason this year and he really impressed me. He had his best season last year, is only 25 and you would have his rights going into restricted free agency. He competes hard, is an elite shooter and added to his game.

Pass. Not moving the needle.

 

[kingdivac]

The Jazz won't part with Markennon, but would be a high choice.

 

[kingsboi]

What.

You said you want someone with leadership, fire and Grit. You said BI doesn't have those qualities.

When asked who you'd take instead, you said Miles Bridges.

The logical leap here is you think Miles Bridges possess those qualities, since he's your counter to why you wouldn't want BI.

No?

not at all. One player doesn't have to provide all three characteristics. Miles can provide two of them and then another player can be attained to provide the leadership aspect.

 

[kingsboi]

Ingram has faults no doubt, but I think this team is what it is based on Fox and Domas in all facets so as such, it is what it is. IMO all Monte can do is put as much talent around them as possible and see how it shakes out. As good as it sounds in theory, no, Iman Shumpert types aren't your difference. Look at the playoffs year after year, superstar talent and your depth in that regard is the difference. Now a Shumpert type can be that extra little kick in the locker room but once the rubber meets the road it won't mean much. If you can find that type of player that is both a franchise player and has all those traits you mentioned and put the right talent around them you probably have a dynasty. It's very rare though. Monte doesn't have time to set his bar so high anymore trade wise and option wise. **** or get off the pot. Is the team topped out as is? Maybe not, but Monte better not ignore his only proven results so far and I don't think he will.

I don't know that any star type of talent is available to be had right now and if it is, Monte would have to gut his roster and future assets for that player. Fox and Sabonis are going to have a limited ceiling so the Kings are hoping that Murray eventually provides that 20+PPG trajectory. In the meantime, Kings two best players need to have different mentalities going into next season, Fox needs to chuck less threes and work in his strong areas and Sabonis needs to take more shots. The efficiency is nice to look at and all the triple doubles but if it doesn't get you into the postseason or further, all its good for is for aesthetics and fan duel participants.

 

[Telemachus]

not at all. One player doesn't have to provide all three characteristics. Miles can provide two of them and then another player can be attained to provide the leadership aspect.

BI was better than Miles Bridges in almost every metric you can look at. His only advantage was rebounding, and that likely had more to do with the make up of the teams.

 

[macadocious]

I hear he leads with his left

 

[SacTownKid]

I don't know that any star type of talent is available to be had right now and if it is, Monte would have to gut his roster and future assets for that player. Fox and Sabonis are going to have a limited ceiling so the Kings are hoping that Murray eventually provides that 20+PPG trajectory. In the meantime, Kings two best players need to have different mentalities going into next season, Fox needs to chuck less threes and work in his strong areas and Sabonis needs to take more shots. The efficiency is nice to look at and all the triple doubles but if it doesn't get you into the postseason or further, all its good for is for aesthetics and fan duel participants.

For what player, the GOAT type or a an Ingram type? We'll see but if a Grant, or even a LaVine can be had at an affordable price it's worth it IMO. Monte stood pat this summer, stood pat at the deadline, now he's got all the information he needs as to how it worked. Short answer? It didn't if they were truly thinking "contention" as they talked prior to the season. Monte's got to improve the roster somehow because those other teams did theirs and year over year the bar was clearly raised. Monte also has to think about Murray as an addition, but not the path. Even if Murray gets to be a 20 ppg scorer where does that push the team? They are pretty far from the upper rung so it's better to hope Murray gets there AND you add on top of it. That's probably what it will take to even sniff contention at this point and even if it isn't, that's the way Monte should approach it. Shoot for the moon, nothing lower.

 

[upinsmoke]

13/Sasha/Jones for Thybulle and Murray.

 

[SacTownKid]

13/Sasha/Jones for Thybulle and Murray.

Big overpay for the Kings. Big.

 

[upinsmoke]

Big overpay for the Kings. Big.

Okay I figured so what makes it "fair"?

 

[SacTownKid]

Okay I figured so what makes it "fair"?

I don't know, I guess it would depend on how attached to Murray they are. He had the type of season that makes you wonder if he even sticks for very long so now would be a good time to find out. Something around Davion would make more sense for both teams. Maybe that new MLE swap in a trade would help them since they are sitting in there at the 1st apron line as is which would be stupid for them at this point. One would think the Blazers aren't just going to sit and wait on fully going on with a rebuild with another top lottery pick on the way. That said Grant has to be the one they'd move for cap relief if they can get some.

How about extend the deal to this:

Barnes, Huerter, Lyles, Davion, Jones, 13th pick for Grant, Thybulle, Murray? Maybe work in a 3rd team to send Barnes and Huerter somewhere else for shorter deals to Portland since I'm not sure they'd bite on this deal if they value Thybulle and actually want picks for Grant.

 

[kingsboi]

BI was better than Miles Bridges in almost every metric you can look at. His only advantage was rebounding, and that likely had more to do with the make up of the teams.

I think with a change of scenery, being on a winning team and have a coach that can best utilize his skillset, he can thrive.

 

[luckytkp]

I am wondering about Middleton now the bucks is out.

 

[kingsboi]

For what player, the GOAT type or a an Ingram type? We'll see but if a Grant, or even a LaVine can be had at an affordable price it's worth it IMO. Monte stood pat this summer, stood pat at the deadline, now he's got all the information he needs as to how it worked. Short answer? It didn't if they were truly thinking "contention" as they talked prior to the season. Monte's got to improve the roster somehow because those other teams did theirs and year over year the bar was clearly raised. Monte also has to think about Murray as an addition, but not the path. Even if Murray gets to be a 20 ppg scorer where does that push the team? They are pretty far from the upper rung so it's better to hope Murray gets there AND you add on top of it. That's probably what it will take to even sniff contention at this point and even if it isn't, that's the way Monte should approach it. Shoot for the moon, nothing lower.

I was all aboard the Lavine idea until he got hurt once again towards the end of this season. A team just can't rely that he will play for a good portion of the season and being available is as good of an asset as being talented. No doubt that I wouldn't be opposed to dangling Murray if you can get that player that will put you over the top, but who can that player be? its really a gamble and undecided until that player plays in this system and gets familiar with his squad and that won't happen over night either, it may take multiple seasons to figure out whether it works. The other option is, as a small market team, to continue to keep those draft picks and maybe get some luck on your side and find an all-star type of talent in the teens where the Kings will be picking.

 

[ockingsfan]

The other option is, as a small market team, to continue to keep those draft picks and maybe get some luck on your side and find an all-star type of talent in the teens where the Kings will be picking.

Talent evaluation and good drafting for GMs of small market teams is essential for success. We are not going to be able to lure big name free agents and would have to mortgage the future to try and trade for a big name (who may not even stay after their contract expires).

Monte has shown he can make quality draft picks in the lottery. I'm hoping he keeps the pick and drafts a potential starter in this years draft, instead of trading it. I think there will be starter level talent available at #13 and I trust Monte to make a good pick. Monte tends to draft more mature players that have proven to have NBA level skills (whether it be defense, passing, shooting or scoring).

I wouldn't be surprised if Monte plucks someone that can be a rotation player next season with #13 pick. Someone like Dalton Knecht, Kyle Flipowski, Zach Edey, or Tristan da Silva seem like Monte's type of plug and play draft picks he likes to take. I think any of these guys can be quality rotation players in the NBA

 

[Telemachus]

I am wondering about Middleton now the bucks is out.

I would rather target Portis. He would be a very good fit at PF moving Murray to the 3.

 

[kingsboi]

Talent evaluation and good drafting for GMs of small market teams is essential for success. We are not going to be able to lure big name free agents and would have to mortgage the future to try and trade for a big name (who may not even stay after their contract expires).

Monte has shown he can make quality draft picks in the lottery. I'm hoping he keeps the pick and drafts a potential starter in this years draft, instead of trading it. I think there will be starter level talent available at #13 and I trust Monte to make a good pick. Monte tends to draft more mature players that have proven to have NBA level skills (whether it be defense, passing, shooting or scoring).

I wouldn't be surprised if Monte plucks someone that can be a rotation player next season with #13 pick. Someone like Dalton Knecht, Kyle Flipowski, Zach Edey, or Tristan da Silva seem like Monte's type of plug and play draft picks he likes to take. I think any of these guys can be quality rotation players in the NBA

I stopped watching college hoops many years ago so I know of no prospects for this draft. That said, I do wonder which direction Monte will decide to go in regards to drafting offense or defense.

 

[ockingsfan]

The Lakers are a mess and just fired their coach Darvin Ham and LeBron does not seem happy with the situation in LaLaLand.

Maybe the Kings can draft Bronny James at #13 and lure LeBron to Sacramento to reunite with Bronny and Mike Brown! If LeBron wants to play with Bronny bad enough, maybe we get him over here on the MLE. Reunited and it feels so good!