Kings trade rumor SZN 2023-2024 edition!

[iowamcnabb]

 

[iowamcnabb]

Raps play the Cavs in a few minutes for league passers

 

[Tizzy Flip]

Raps play the Cavs in a few minutes for league passers

Yes indeed! For all the spacing conspiracists

 

[twslam07]

My claim has been consistent: Siakam will not negatively impact spacing. You keep throwing out numbers, spewing stuff when I’ve actually watched the tape. Do you like to have opinions and claims on stuff you actually haven’t observed?

Right, and I disagree with that claim.

If more people agreed with you, you wouldn’t have seen the extinction of two tower/non-shooting PF & C combo. Many teams have shooting now at that PF spot. There’s a reason for that.

 

[Telemachus]

My claim has been consistent: Siakam will not negatively impact spacing. You keep throwing out numbers, spewing stuff when I’ve actually watched the tape. Do you like to have opinions and claims on stuff you actually haven’t observed?

I think you are looking at this from the wrong perspective. If Siakam came to the Kings, his role would different. He would no longer be the primary option on offense, but likely be the 2nd or 3rd option. That means he needs to help space the floor without the ball in his hands. This is something he likely cannot do. Defenders would sag off him, making it more congested in the paint.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Alright trade for Siakam and let Luke Loucks work his Fox magic on him. Now you both can be right haha

 

[Tizzy Flip]

Uh oh. Siakam 2-2 from 3. One of them where Allen could have played way off him but he contested. But spacing

 

[Tizzy Flip]

I think you are looking at this from the wrong perspective. If Siakam came to the Kings, his role would different. He would no longer be the primary option on offense, but likely be the 2nd or 3rd option. That means he needs to help space the floor without the ball in his hands. This is something he likely cannot do. Defenders would sag off him, making it more congested in the paint.

Playing without the ball actually seems like a strength of his. He seems to have a good sense of the open floor. Watch the game that’s going on right now if you can. Barnes and IQ have had dribble drives to the basket where Siakam’s defender was closest and he didn’t sag and help

 

[Tizzy Flip]

Siakam 13 pts in first qtr, 5-6 fg, 3-3 from 3. This is with 2 new starters. I’m convinced he just needed to not be the primary option. IQ now will be the primary ball handler and take pressure off Siakam. Well now the Raptors are gonna keep him lol

 

[Joshoua]

Siakam 13 pts in first qtr, 5-6 fg, 3-3 from 3. This is with 2 new starters. I’m convinced he just needed to not be the primary option. IQ now will be the primary ball handler and take pressure off Siakam. Well now the Raptors are gonna keep him lol

I don’t see how they can afford him IQ will need a new max, Barrett is 25 mill per year and Barnes is getting the max after next year

 

[SacTownKid]

I just can’t get past the salary needed to match. It basically has to be Barnes and Huerter. If you keep Barnes then it needs to be Kevin + Sasha, Davion and Duarte to get to enough salary. That leaves us with these lineups:

Fox Keon
Lavine Monk
Keegan Duarte
Lyles Sasha
Domas Len

or

Fox Keon
Lavine Monk
Keegan Kessler
Barnes Lyles
Domas Len

The first lineup doesn’t leave you with much tradable salary to upgrade the defense at the other wing spot and the second lineup leaves our depth pretty questionable. I know he sniffed around a similar situation with Beal but he was in theory a better player than Lavine. I get the interest in an all star player for little to no assets but you have to be pretty sure. If we had the Holmes contract still I might be a bit more interested

Yeah, but the question is what do you actually even need at the other wing spot at that point. I'd be looking at low cost, athletic 3 and D types that aren't capable of producing much. It's the productive ones that cost the big bucks, not the role guys like Tucker, Okogie, etc.

 

[iowamcnabb]

I don’t see how they can afford him IQ will need a new max, Barrett is 25 mill per year and Barnes is getting the max after next year

IQ is supposedly asking for 20-25 mil dollars

 

[iowamcnabb]

Siakam 13 pts in first qtr, 5-6 fg, 3-3 from 3. This is with 2 new starters. I’m convinced he just needed to not be the primary option. IQ now will be the primary ball handler and take pressure off Siakam. Well now the Raptors are gonna keep him lol

He doesn’t look like a guy that thinks he is getting traded. However, I don’t know if I love RJ, Scottie and Pascal at the 2/3/4 but maybe they actually think that can work. Seems odd given that OG Scottie Pascal didn’t work and OG is better than RJ.

 

[The_Jamal]

Right, and I disagree with that claim.

If more people agreed with you, you wouldn’t have seen the extinction of two tower/non-shooting PF & C combo. Many teams have shooting now at that PF spot. There’s a reason for that.

To be fair, Siakam is just fairly inconsistent as a shooter. It's been bad this year, but he's not a 26% 3pt shooter. His true talent is probably around 32-33%

35.9%
29.7%
34.4%
32.4%
26.1%

And you're absolutely right, he'd be a negative step back with spacing, but he's also just a serious talent upgrade on both ends of the floor. Fox-Monk-Keegs-Siakam-Domas is talented enough to be a title contending starting 5. And I think would really have no problems gelling because of how talented a playmaking core everyone aside from Keegan is.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Watched the whole game. Siakam was really good. Nice buzz going on up north let’s see if it’s just fresh trade new teammates buzz or real. He was the best player on the court, better than Scottie who was really good as well. Honestly if I were the Raptors I’d probably just keep him. They don’t have enough scoring between Scottie RJ and IQ. They need a big scorer since Scottie is a pass first dude. Either way I don’t think a HB/Kvon package is what they are going to be after. The challenge is they aren’t good enough to compete with the top 3 teams in the east. They are stuck being a 4-10 seed for the foreseeable future in my opinion. What will the raps do? I just don’t know

 

[Tizzy Flip]

Watched the whole game. Siakam was really good. Nice buzz going on up north let’s see if it’s just fresh trade new teammates buzz or real. He was the best player on the court, better than Scottie who was really good as well. Honestly if I were the Raptors I’d probably just keep him. They don’t have enough scoring between Scottie RJ and IQ. They need a big scorer since Scottie is a pass first dude. Either way I don’t think a HB/Kvon package is what they are going to be after. The challenge is they aren’t good enough to compete with the top 3 teams in the east. They are stuck being a 4-10 seed for the foreseeable future in my opinion. What will the raps do? I just don’t know

He looked like Durant-lite. So his best games he’ll get 35+ and you can rely on him in the post when you need a bucket. As you said though, if I’m him how much time does he have to wait around and somehow win against Celts, Bucks, 76ers, Heat. He has a better chance out West

 

[iowamcnabb]

If they do trade him, maybe Golden state makes the most sense after the OG trade? Ask for JK, Moody and CP3. That sets them up really nice going forward. Warriors would need to trade Wiggins

Steph
Klay
Siakam
Green
Loon

definitely something I don’t want to see happen

 

[Tizzy Flip]

He doesn’t look like a guy that thinks he is getting traded. However, I don’t know if I love RJ, Scottie and Pascal at the 2/3/4 but maybe they actually think that can work. Seems odd given that OG Scottie Pascal didn’t work and OG is better than RJ.

I think Raps had a problem with redundancy. IG is gonna really shine with this lineup. Trent and before him Van Fleet have score first mentality which you don’t need when you have top notch scorers in Siakam and Barnes. They got Schroeder who again is score first and drafted Dick who’s more a Huerter 3pt specialist. Honestly don’t know what their model for winning is against the top teams in the East

 

[Tizzy Flip]

If they do trade him, maybe Golden state makes the most sense after the OG trade? Ask for JK, Moody and CP3. That sets them up really nice going forward. Warriors would need to trade Wiggins

Steph
Klay
Siakam
Green
Loon

definitely something I don’t want to see happen

Yah I can definitely see that happening. Could also see Lakers package Reaves to get him

 

[Joshoua]

What can we even offer to get him and beat other teams? We have no young players to offer outside Keegan who we won’t trade

 

[Joshoua]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1741917873260331514

Back to lavine

 

[iowamcnabb]

What can we even offer to get him and beat other teams? We have no young players to offer outside Keegan who we won’t trade

I guess we just have to see which teams are interested. Does golden state want to pay 4 guys near max money? If the answer is yes we can’t top their offer. If Pacers part with Benn we can’t top that either. If he stays and signs a free agent deal it will likely be with the Sixers. Doesn’t seem all that likely he wears a kings jersey.

 

[coolhandluke]

What can we even offer to get him and beat other teams? We have no young players to offer outside Keegan who we won’t trade

It's disappointing that a perennial playoff team like the Warriors has more tradeable young assets than the Kings. We're basically out of any elite player trades.

 

[Joshoua]

It's disappointing that a perennial playoff team like the Warriors has more tradeable young assets than the Kings. We're basically out of any elite player trades.

Have to focus on Grant/Lavine but after looking at salaries we need to go for grant

I guess we just have to see which teams are interested. Does golden state want to pay 4 guys near max money? If the answer is yes we can’t top their offer. If Pacers part with Benn we can’t top that either. If he stays and signs a free agent deal it will likely be with the Sixers. Doesn’t seem all that likely he wears a kings jersey.

Atlanta can offer Murray as well

 

[The_Jamal]

It's disappointing that a perennial playoff team like the Warriors has more tradeable young assets than the Kings. We're basically out of any elite player trades.

Do they? Their draft this year looks awesome with Podz and TJD (Ahem, who could have seen that coming...), but they've pretty well flopped on all that high draft capital the last few years.

Moody and Kuminga are still so young, but it's pretty clear they messed up by not flipping those picks at the time for a star. And obviously the huge Wiseman miss.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I just wonder if they’ll risk losing him to free agency for nothing. IQ could be the pg they’ve been desperately needing since Lowry so perhaps they’ll wait and see until the trade deadline if it could work and convince Siakam to stay on.

My understanding was he is happy in Toronto and had no intention of leaving, in fact that was one concern for any team that rented him.

 

[iowamcnabb]

My understanding was he is happy in Toronto and had no intention of leaving, in fact that was one concern for any team that rented him.

he said last year the same thing he is saying this year, he wants to sign in Toronto or choose his next destination via free agency

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Have to focus on Grant/Lavine but after looking at salaries we need to go for grant

Grant is the best fit of any player who is within realistic grasp. I've been hoping McNair could figure out a way to get him

 

[twslam07]

To be fair, Siakam is just fairly inconsistent as a shooter. It's been bad this year, but he's not a 26% 3pt shooter. His true talent is probably around 32-33%

35.9%
29.7%
34.4%
32.4%
26.1%

And you're absolutely right, he'd be a negative step back with spacing, but he's also just a serious talent upgrade on both ends of the floor. Fox-Monk-Keegs-Siakam-Domas is talented enough to be a title contending starting 5. And I think would really have no problems gelling because of how talented a playmaking core everyone aside from Keegan is.

He’s been at 31.5% the last 4 seasons (counting this one).

But putting that aside for a second, I’ve mentioned in previous posts that I think Siakam is a talent upgrade and would make this team better than it is today (he’s just leaps and bounds better than Barnes) but the fit & spacing makes me question if it would be good enough to actually reach title contender level. And if it doesn’t, we’ve essentially capped out our team and have minimal assets to try and improve further.

Defenses really start scheming and adjusting to your roster in the playoffs. I could see the team looking really good in the regular season only to have teams try and take advantage of Sabonis’ and Siakam’s lack of shooting to neutralize our #1 scoring option (Fox).

You couple that “fit” risk, with the risk that he could walk in the off-season for nothing and the risk that we’d essentially have minimal assets to improve the team further, and it’s a no for me. At least in Anunoby’s case, I didn’t have the same “fit” concerns (and he’s many years younger than Siakam) making that risk a bit more worth it from my perspective.

 

[Dongoodboy]

It's disappointing that a perennial playoff team like the Warriors has more tradeable young assets than the Kings. We're basically out of any elite player trades.

When Vlade left, Monte got Fox and basically nothing valuable for trade. The biggest trade chip was Hali and he was drafted by Monte. If not for the notorious record he could do something like Thunder (not to that extend but similar) to gather some assets. I feel like the lack of tradeable assets has largely limit our ceiling. We need to rely on the growth of players and act smart for market opportunities. That is also why I don't particular like throwing away our FRP this year.